EDIT: I have split this topic from the original one, as that was about finding the Palestinian people, and this is a separate issue.
There is already a relevant topic called Chaos in Palestine (or a similar title), but I cannot merge topics, so call this part 2.
ORIGINAL POST:
[size=18]Palestinians killed on Gaza beach[/size]Seven people, including three children, have been killed by Israeli shells which hit a beach in the northern Gaza Strip, Palestinian officials say.
At least 30 people were wounded in the shelling, they say.
The Israeli military says it has halted all shelling of Gaza and has launched an inquiry into whether ground-based artillery could have been involved.
In a statement, the military wing of Hamas threatened to resume attacks on Israel in the wake of "massacres".
The group has been observing a self-imposed ceasefire for about a year.
Four other people were also killed in separate Israeli air strike in northern Gaza on Friday, Palestinians said.
The incidents come a day after senior Palestinian official Jamal Abu Samhadana was killed in an Israeli air strike in Rafah, the southern Gaza.
Samhadana - the founder of the Popular Resistance Committees (PRC) - was buried in Rafah on Friday, with thousands of mourners pledging to avenge his death.
Samhadana was one of Israel's most wanted men in Gaza, and his group has been blamed for a series of missile attacks on Israel.
Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas condemned the Israeli strikes in Gaza.
"What the Israeli occupation forces are doing in the Gaza Strip constitutes a war of extermination and bloody massacres against our people," Mr Abbas said in a statement carried by the Palestinian official Wafa news agency.
UK Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett said London was "deeply concerned by reports of the deaths from Israeli shelling of civilians, including children, on a Gaza beach".
[b]Devastation[/b]
Palestinian officials say the seven people killed on the Gaza Strip beach included two women as well as the three children.
The first television pictures revealed a terrible scene, the BBC's Alan Johnston says.
At least four figures lay unconscious on the ground, possibly dead, our correspondent says.
A little further away, a man was lying on a sand dune, perhaps fatally injured, while a child stood looking on in utter horror, our correspondent says.
He says around the casualties were tables and chairs, and it looks very much as if this was a family enjoying their Friday afternoon off on the beach when disaster struck.
[b]Israeli reaction[/b]
An Israeli army spokesman said Chief of Staff Dan Halutz had ordered an immediate stop to all artillery shelling of Gaza while an investigation was carried out into the beach shelling.
The spokesman told the BBC initial findings suggested the shell which killed the people could not have been fired from an Israeli naval vessel or from the air.
He said the army was investigating the possibility that it may have been fired by ground-based artillery.
For many months, the Israelis have been pounding away at open areas such as fields and orchards in an effort to prevent Palestinian militants using them to fire their home-made missile into crudely made missiles into nearby Israeli territory.
[url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5065008.stm]BBC News[/url]
That is awful news.
[size=10]I feel I'm gonna move on back down south
you know where the water tastes like cherry wine[/size]
And it could get worse:
So far the political side of Hamas has not said anything. If they do not stop the military side, it could be war in the legal sense...
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Those two quoted bits are mighty interesting...
Random shelling? How was that seen as acceptable? and is it just me or does the 'ceasefire' seem like a political stunt?
'We won't randomly shell til we find out which shell in particular was so successful'
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
i think if this does lead to a war then i think it would end up leading to a world war..
Iran already have close ties with Hamas and they really dont have much to lose in the sense they fear getting raided anyway..
hope im wrong
Condemn Me, It Does Not Matter, History Will Absolve Me
[url=http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1150035838991&pagename=JPost/...... or did the Palestinians lie outright?[/url]
[size=10]I feel I'm gonna move on back down south
you know where the water tastes like cherry wine[/size]
[size=10]I feel I'm gonna move on back down south
you know where the water tastes like cherry wine[/size]
Taken from the BBC website:
Israel is not responsible for the deaths of seven Palestinians enjoying a picnic on a Gaza beach last Friday, Defence Minister Amir Peretz says.
Mr Peretz was revealing the findings of an Israeli inquiry into the attack initially blamed on Israeli troops.
The internal probe is based on TV film of the aftermath and shrapnel taken from the injured treated in Israel.
A report by US-based group Human Rights Watch says the deaths were likely to have been caused by Israeli shelling.
Palestinian officials have also rejected the Israeli army's report.
Friday's civilian deaths, including three young children, sparked worldwide condemnation of Israel.
United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan has called for a full independent inquiry into the incident.
The speed with which Israel concluded its investigation underlines the sensitivity of the incident - but whether its findings change any minds is another matter, says the BBC's Nick Childs in Jerusalem.
The militant group Hamas, which heads the Palestinian government, ended an informal ceasefire and fired dozens of home-made rockets at Israel, causing panic and several injuries.
The Israeli military initially said it regretted Palestinian civilian deaths and it suspended further shelling as an internal committee headed by General Meir Klifi investigated the incident.
The investigation focused on six artillery shells fired by the military. The army says it is certain five landed about 250 metres (820ft) from the beach where the Ghalia family were sitting.
One shell apparently misfired, but the explosion which ripped through the Ghalia family's picnic was at least eight minutes afterwards, the army says.
Concluding his investigation, General Klifi said on Tuesday: "The chances that artillery fire hit that area at that time are nil."
Appearing alongside him, Defence Minister Peretz said "the intention to describe this as an Israeli event is simply not correct".
But they did not say what might have caused the blast.
Israel frequently shells northern Gaza, targeting militant rocket crews who attack nearby Israeli territory.
An expert working for the Human Rights Watch said the Palestinians' injuries were not consistent with a blast taking place beneath them.
"It has been suggested by some that the family was killed by a land mine, and this is patently not the case," Mark Garlasco said.
"All of the evidence is pointing to a 155mm shell as having killed and injured the Palestinians here on the beach," he said.
"My assessment [is] that it's likely that this was incoming artillery fire that landed on the beach and was fired by the Israelis from the north of Gaza."
Reacting to earlier reports that the Israeli inquiry would blame the blast on a mine planted by Hamas, a Hamas spokesman accused Israel of "shying away from its responsibilities over this atrocious crime".
"These Israeli allegations are false and lack any credibility," Ghazi Hamad said.
Dunno what to make of this... would I refuse to tackle someone who may shoot me? how far should anyone go? Is it murder or self defence? Any of these questions can be answered in both the positive and the negative.
I cannot see any charge standing, but I have no idea how the Israeli legal system works. And then there is the fact that the buitcher guy was military, the mob arabs so it could depend on what part politics play. (politics and justive do not mix at all.)
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Muslim Bro,
I personally believe the Israeli investigation. They have been quick in the past to acknowledge stray missiles and accidental deaths if they know about it, and in this case they had reason to doubt the veracity of the Palestinian claim because the times were off. Subsequently they verified that it was not an obviously Israeli missile and that people had been removing incriminating shrapnel from the scene. The Palestinians have been caught manipulating this kind of story many times, have had three days to set the scene, very often when Palestinian weapons go off unexpectedly they try to blame Israel before acknowledging the truth, and plenty of reporters are eager to shout about it.
The Israeli justice system is strong and based on what we know these guys will not be in trouble. Sharon himself was quick to brand the shooting an act of terror, and what Mickey Rosenfeld calls cold-blooded murder will probably be shown up as a mix of defense, heroism and adrenaline.
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you know where the water tastes like cherry wine[/size]
[url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5099978.stm][size=18][b]Israel air strike kills children[/b][/size][/url]
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That is terrible.
I am sorry that the BBC article does not include any Israeli comment. That is poor journalism.
Abbas and Olmert held a meeting today and plan to continue meeting. This obviously came up and I hope also that Fatah's al Aqsa Brigades' refusal to follow Abbas' authority came up.
[size=10]I feel I'm gonna move on back down south
you know where the water tastes like cherry wine[/size]
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Dust,
OK, but the Israelis gave a proper and appropriate response apart from those two snippets and the article didn't cover it.
[size=10]I feel I'm gonna move on back down south
you know where the water tastes like cherry wine[/size]
enlighten us.
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Dust,
There's nothing I can say to lessen the tragedy. It is horrendous.
[size=10]I feel I'm gonna move on back down south
you know where the water tastes like cherry wine[/size]
Initial Israeli responses:
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you know where the water tastes like cherry wine[/size]
Reasonability and Justice for IDF is like two opposites, for instance marriage and adultery!
Here is why Muslim believe in Allah swt to be all just and the Israelis IDF to be rotten trigger happy devils
subhanAllah. :? inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raji'oon
btw welcome back bro shazan.
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Jew lives worth more than muslim lives- Olmert
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article1095841.ece
Shame on Abu Mazen in this life and the next.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
Israeli lives worth more than palestinian lives. NOT jewish lives Vs Muslim lives.
Still a disturbing philisophy.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
He didn't say they were worth more. It is obvious that the security of Israelis is more important to the Prime Minister of Israel than the security of Palestinians. It is equally obvious that The Independent spun Olmert's remarks into offensive comment.
Med's prayers are garbage for all eternity.
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you know where the water tastes like cherry wine[/size]
He is saying that Islaelio lives are more important than Palestinian lives.
We can justify that in whatever way we like, but at its heart he has spoken his philosophy. I cannot see how they 'spun' it. His words and all...
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Admin,
We are looking at the same remark and we disagree. That is because The Independent spun it.
[size=10]I feel I'm gonna move on back down south
you know where the water tastes like cherry wine[/size]
I agree with Admin, can Muslim in the holy land live by the same principals? The answer to that is not and will be smeared as extremist with only one goal to destroy Israeli, ironic that Israeli have almost destroyed the Palestinians.
May ALLAH Rabbul Izzat protect the people of the Land of Israa and Mi'raaj. May He ta'ala make firm their feet and strengthen their hearts. For the sake of the Prophet salallahu alayhi wa sallam may He ta'ala grant them His Choicest Mercies and Choicest Blessings and may He ta'ala through them show us His wonders.
Ya ALLAH for the sake of that land of Al Aqsa Mubarak accept the blood of the martyrs and the tears of those who weep. Forgive the sins of the people, and grant them an immense reward as they guard the Haram and fulfill the duty which rests upon us. Ya ALLAH grant the Umm Shaheeds the sweetness of imaan, grant the people of the land the sweetness of Your Love and grant them the ability to forgive those of us who have forsaken them at the hands of Your enemies.
ameen Ya Rabbash Shuhadaa'i wal Mujahideen.
Make du'a that ALLAH show us His wonders in the Land of the Olives.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar