"muslimah1" wrote:

salaam,

when u say ur celebrting the birth of the prophet pbuh what are you celebrting? bcz on the day he was born he was also taken away from us on that day? so are u celbrting his death or birth?

There's a difference of opinion on that.

"muslimah1" wrote:

once a companion ask rasoolallah can we celbrate birthdays he sed no.

Really? When/where did He say that?

By the way..He Himself used to mark/single out this occasion by fasting on the day He was born.

"muslimah1" wrote:

or if any of the companions celebrted it?

Why would they need to get together in a hall, go over the Seerah and narrate accounts of how the Holy Prophet used to talk/walk/sleep/eat etc etc when they lived with Him and saw Him on a daily basis?

Salam

"muslimah1" wrote:

are u celbrting his death or birth?

Is she crazy ?

No one celebrates a death.

She must have had too many Pepsis.

Its ok. We can excuse her. Its Friday.

Omrow

"Beast" wrote:

But, among other things, they say that it should not be made compulsory to attend Milad events.

As far as I've been taught...it shouldnt be considered compulsory.

God !!

I'm not even going to go into that today.

"MuslimSister" wrote:

"Beast" wrote:

But, among other things, they say that it should not be made compulsory to attend Milad events.

As far as I've been taught...it shouldnt be considered compulsory.

Same here.

Come on Beast. You changed it. It was so beautiful.

Eid Meelad an Nabi
(Celebrating the birthday of the prophet)
All praises be to Allaah, Lord and Sustainer of the worlds, and may the peace and blessings of Allaah be upon our Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and upon his family and companions.

Praise be to Allaah, Lord of the Worlds, and peace and blessings be upon our Prophet Muhammad and upon his family and his companions.
“Eid” or festival is something that returns and is repeated regularly such as on a weekly, monthly or yearly basis.
Eids or festivals serve as symbols unique to nations.
Festivals of Muslims are only those celebrations which are permitted by Islamic Sharee'ah, this is because when the Prophet of Allah (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) came to Madeenah he abolished the festivals of Jahiliyyah and replaced them with Islamic festivals.
Anas (may Allaah be pleased with him) reported that: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came to Madeenah and the people had two days when they would play and have fun. He said, ‘What are these two days?' They said, ‘We used to play and have fun on these days during the Jaahiliyyah. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, ‘Allaah has given you something better than them, the day of Adhaa and the day of Fitr.'” (Sunan Abi Dawood, 1134)
Hence the celebrations of Jahiliyyah were stopped and not repeated any more.
For any other celebrations or festivals to be permitted for Muslims, it is essential that there is a proof for that from the book of Allah or Sunnah of his Prophet (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him). This is because the religion of Islam was completed on the Prophet of Allah (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) when Allah the Glorified and the Most High said:
This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islâm as your religion.(Al-Ma'idah 3)
Allah commanded us to take his religion from his Prophet (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) and obey him:
He who obeys the Messenger (Muhammad, peace and blessing of Allah be upon him), has indeed obeyed Allâh...An Nisa:80
But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you (O Muhammad, peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission..An Nisa:65
And whatsoever the Messenger (Muhammad peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) gives you, take it; and whatsoever he forbids you, abstain (from it). And fear Allâh; verily Allâh is Severe in punishment...Al Hashr:7
So, whoever wants to obey Allah should obey his Messenger (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him), and whoever wants to obey Allah's Messenger should know that the Messenger of Allâh (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him), has forbidden adding and innovating new things in the religion when he said:
“The most truthful of speech is the Book of Allaah and the best of guidance is the guidance of Muhammad, and the most evil of things are those which are newly-invented.” And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever innovates anything in this matter of ours (i.e. Islam) that is not part of it, will have it rejected.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, no. 2697; Muslim, no. 1718).
According to a version narrated by Muslim, “Whoever does anything that is not in accordance with this matter of ours (i.e., Islam), will have it rejected.”
Therefore unless there is proof from the Qur'an and Sunnah no celebration is accepted, so if one celebrates Sunday instead of Friday, this would not be accepted or if one celebrates the Eid at the beginning of Ramadan instead of the beginning of Shawwal then this will indeed be rejected.
Days in addition to the two Eids which are permitted to be venerated by Sharee'ah are the day of ‘Aashooraa' and the day of ‘Arafaah, and this is because there is proof for this in both the statement and the action of the Prophet of Allah (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him).
Similarly Gatherings that are prescribed in Sharee'ah in addition to the gathering of the two Eids are the gatherings of the five daily prayers, Jumu'ah and Hajj, again because of the evidence in the text of Qur'an and Sunnah.
No festivals or celebrations can be added even if this is the celebration for the birth of the Messenger of Allâh (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him), because neither himself nor any of his companions (who were indeed more pious and more knowledgeable than all the Muslims to come till the day of judgement) celebrated his birthday.
But what has no proof from the Qur'an and Sunnah and what is well known to be an innovation by the Faatimids Shi'a, three centuries after the death of the Prophet of Allah (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him), in order to corrupt the religion of the Muslims, has become a widespread religious festival.
Muslims who do this have a variety of attitudes towards this celebration, the minimum of which is ignorance in religion and the maximum; a major shirk.
If this is the result of ignorance then one should know that ignorance is a sign of hypocrisy, as Allaah says:
The bedouins are the worst in disbelief and hypocrisy, and more likely to be in ignorance of the limits which Allâh has revealed to His Messenger (Allâh's Commandments and His Legal Laws etc). And Allâh is All-Knower, All-Wise.. At Taubah:97
Those who indulge in this celebration, because the majority of people are doing this, then they should know that Allaah says:
And if you obey majority of those on the earth, they will mislead you far away from Allâh's Path. They follow nothing but conjectures, and they do nothing but lie..Al Anaam:116
Those who say that the celebration is a way of honouring the Prophet of Allaah (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) then they should know that this is the kind of honour that the Jews and Christians gave to the Prophets who came to them. That is why Allaah warned them:
O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Do not exaggerate in your religion, nor say of Allâh aught but the truth. The Messiah Isa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), was (no more than) a Messenger of Allâh and His Word, (Be! and he was) which He bestowed on Maryam (Mary) and a spirit (Rûh) created by Him…An Nisa:171
And the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) said: "Beware of exaggeration in the Religion, because previous nations were destroyed because of their exaggeration in the Religion." (An Nisa'i)
And the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) said: "Don't exaggerate in praising me like they did to Isa, son of Maryam because indeed I am His (Allaah's) slave so say 'slave of Allaah and His Messenger'."
Those who are neither ignorant nor following the majority, but, they celebrate the birthday of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) with clearly deviated concepts such as, he was created by light, or he is alive, or he answers their calls, then these are the ones who fall into either disbelief by rejecting the Ayaat of the Qur'an, or shirk by giving the attributes to the Prophet of Allaah (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) which are only for Allaah, the Most High.
Anyone who says that Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) was created from light is a liar and disbeliever, against the word of Allaah, which says:
Say (O Muhammad, peace and blessing of Allah be upon him): I am only a man like you…Al Kahf:110
And Allaah says: (Remember) when your Lord said to the angels: Truly I am going to create man from clay..Saad:71

Anyone who says that Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) is alive is also a liar and disbeliever against the word of Allaah, which says:
Verily you (O Muhammad, peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) will die, and verily they (too) will die..Az Zumar:30
And all the Muslim Ummah is in agreement that Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) has died and is buried in a grave in a town called Madinah al-Munawwarrah in the Arabian Peninsula. So whoever says that Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) can hear and answer them, then he is a liar and disbeliever in the word of Allaah, which says:
Nor are (alike) the living and the dead. Verily, Allâh makes whom He will to hear, but you cannot make hear those who are in (their) graves..Faatir:22
And of course the only One who hears and answers the call of the distressed is Allaah, the Ever-living and the Most High. To associate any created being to share this attribute of Allaah is nothing but blatant, major shirk. And whoever will die in shirk will never be forgiven. As Allaah says:
Verily! Allâh forgives not (the sin of) setting up partners in worship with Him, but He forgives whom He pleases (from) sins other than that, and whoever sets up partners in worship with Allâh, has indeed strayed far away..An Nisa:116
Any Muslim who wants to honour Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) should strive to obey his Sunnah as Allaah says:
Say: if you love Allaah, then follow me. Allaah will love you and forgive you of your sins and Allaah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful...Aal Imraan:31
Say: Obey Allaah and His messenger, but if they turn away, then Allah does not like the disbelievers...Aal Imraan:32
And one should stay away from innovations which are the opposite of the Sunnah of Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him). Anyone who would learn the Sunnah of the Prophet (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) and would follow it will be the one who honours Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him), as Allaah says:
So those who believe in him (Muhammad, peace and blessing of Allah be upon him), honour him, help him, and follow the light (the Qur'an and Sunnah) which has been sent down with him, it is they who will be successful...Al Aaraf:157
Therefore it is necessary for every Muslim to learn and follow the light of the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) and stay far away from all innovated actions in religion including this Eid Meelad an Nabi.
May Allaah make us sincere to His religion, obedient to the Sunnah of His Messenger (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) and save us from the invented affairs in the Religion. May Allaah make us successful in this life and in the Hereafter.
Peace and Blessings of Allaah be upon the final Messenger, his family and his companions.

Muslimah1, can you please give us a source?

how do u work that one out?

[b]More than Two `Eids in Islam?[/b]

It is a misgiving to assume that there are only two `Eids in Islam. Jumu`ah day, `Arafat day and the days of Tashreeq are also the days of `Eid. This is another categorical misgiving of Shaykh Muhammad Ibn Adam’s article on the Mawlid on Sunnipath.

Sayyiduna Abu Huraira said he heard the Noble Prophet say,

‘‘Jumu`ah day is `Eid therefore do not fast on your `Eid day, instead fast a day before or a day later’’.

The latter also narrates,

‘‘One day `Eid fell on Jumu`ah day so the Prophet, may Allah’s peace and blessings be upon him, said to the companions, Two `Eids have gathered in your day today’’.

There is a similar narration from Iyyas bin Abi Ramla Shaami in al-Mustadrak. Hakim said its channel of transmission is authentic even though Bukhari and Muslim did not narrate it. It has a supporting hadith on Muslim’s condition. Imam Dhahabi agreed with him in his Talkhees.

Jumu`ah is greater than the Two `Eids

In a hadith narrated by Abu Lubaba bin `Abd al-Mundhir, may Allah be pleased with him, the prophet, may Allah’s peace and blessings be upon him, said,

‘‘Jumu`ah day is the chief of all days and the greatest of them in Allah’s sight. It is greater to Allah than the day of Adha and Fitr’’.

The reason of its excellence was explained in another hadith narrated by Auws bin Auws, Allah be pleased with him, who said,

‘‘Whilst explaining the excellence of Jumu`ah day, the Prophet said: Jumu`ah is the most excellent day. Adam was born in it and he passed away in it’’.

We learn from the above-mentioned hadith that among the excellences of Jumu`ah day, the chief of all days, is that it is the day in which our father, Sayyiduna Adam, was born. So what excellence can one imagine about the day connected to the Master of all Prophets, chief of all creation, Sayyiduna Rasulullah? His Noble birthday is most definitely the day of `Eid, as understood as the hadith’s inferred meaning (Dalalah al-Nass).

`Arafa day is `Eid

Timidhi records a hadith from `Abdullah Ibn `Abbas who narrates that ‘‘the Prophet recited this verse, ‘and today we have perfected for you your religion’ whereupon a Jew who was sitting nearby remarked, if this verse ever revealed on us we would have marked the day of its revelation as `Eid. After hearing what he said, the Prophet, may Allah’s peace and blessing be upon him, replied, you celebrate only one `Eid and this verse has revealed on a day which consists of two `Eids, the day of Jumu`ah and the day of `Arafat’’.

Imam Bukhari in his Sahih narrates a similar report.

The Days of Tashreeq are also `Eid

Imam Hakim Naisaburi narrates in His Mustadrak from the companion `Uqba bin `Amir who said,

Allah’s Messenger said, the days of `Arafa, Nahr, Tashreeq are the days of `Eid for us people of Islam. They are the days of eating and drinking’’.

Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal’s view

[b]It is reported that Imam Ahmad upheld that Jumu`ah night is greater than the night of Qadr since the Light of Prophet Muhammad, Allah's peace and blessinsg be upon him, was transferred to his mother Amina’s womb.[/b]

The well-known Deobandi Shaykh, Ashraf `Ali Thanawi says,

‘‘It is narrated that Imam Ahmad said that Jumu`ah night is greater than the night of Qadr in various ways since the Messenger of the world came into the blessed womb of his mother and this coming contained uncountable blessings and mercies of this world and the hereafter ’’.

Can Tushu give us a source?

Omrow talkin sense................

my articles posted clarifies beyound doubt

[size=18]Yusuf Islam special guest at International Mawlid Conference[/size]

By the grace of Allah SWT the annual International Mawlid Conference this year will be bigger and better than ever. Over one hundred thousand people are expected to attend as well as many special guests from abroad.

It is a great blessing of Allah SWT on Minhaj-ul-Quran International (MQI) and the Muslims of Pakistan that Yusuf Islam will be attending the conference in Lahore. He will be performing some of his songs for the audience.

Yusuf Islam will be arriving from the UK accompanied by Shaykh Ahmad Babikr as-Sudani who is also a special guest at the conference.

Yusuf Islam formerly known as Cat Stevens is arguably one of the world's most famous converts to Islam. His pioneering work in the field of education resulted in securing a landmark decision by the British government to certify and support Islamic education throughout Great Britain. The three schools he founded in London’s Brent district – Islamia Primary, Islamia Girls' Secondary and the Brondesbury College for Boys – consistently top the borough’s examination league tables.

His U.N.-registered charity, Small Kindness, provides humanitarian relief, through direct aid as well as social and educational programs, to orphans and families in Bosnia, Kosovo, Iraq and other regions of the world.

Since 1994 he has once again turned his attention to the recording studio, releasing ten albums to date under his Mountain of Light label. His Sarajevo concert in 1997, to celebrate Bosnian culture, was his first public appearance for 20 years. Recently he has contributed to a number of major charity concert events including Nelson Mandela's 46664 AIDS benefit concert at the close of 2003 in Cape Town where he coupled with Peter Gabriel and the Soweto Choir to perform Wild World, and also a fund-raising concert in Jakarta to aid the victims of the recent tsunami where he premiered a new song, Indian Ocean, inspired by the disaster.

In 2003 Yusuf Islam was awarded the 'World Social Award' for his humanitarian relief work. Previous recipients of this award include Pope John Paul II, Steven Spielberg and Sir Paul McCartney.

More recently, in November 2004, a committee of Nobel peace laureates honoured him with the ‘Man for Peace’ award.

Yusuf Islam is currently working on a new album of spiritually inspiring songs as well as a stage musical based metaphorically on his spiritual journey.

Information about Yusuf Islam taken from http://www.yusufislam.org.uk

Report by : The Ed's bro

"Beast" wrote:

Can Tushu give us a source?

http://scholarspen.blogspot.com/

"Omrow" wrote:

This is what the man from Leicester had to say about the Blessed Festival:

Quote:

a non-issue (yes, a non-issue)

Its clear what he meant.

'the man from Leicester' happens to be a Mufti. something tells me he knows what he's talking about. :roll:

he meant it is not an issue worth arguing over considering the dire straits of the Ummah today.

Salam

This is an issue that has direct bearing on our relationship with God.

Therefore, for any person to say that the subject of such magnitude is of no consequence, and therefore, not worth a consideration, is to belittle its spiritual worth.

The mufti from Leicester is a goofy.

How dare he say that Holy Milad Festival is a non starter.

Omrow

erm can the accusations be cut out.

I am sure we are almost capable of a civil discussion, as it mostly is, without resorting to branding others.

The thing about deaths is, that we only mourn for three days.

The thing about blessings is that there is no time-limit to being thankful.

The hadith mentioned to tushu also crushes the argument about the death if both birth and death were on the same day.

Secondly, death is not final. Every living thing dies. But that is part of a natural course of this life. There is life after death.

Muslimah, as beast mentioned we need a source. But a more important point is that that article does not give evidence on the question being asked, but asks diferent questions, and answers them.

The division within the Ummah is not wether mawlid can be celebrated. Almost every denomination says it can. (Well if you go high enough, they will say that. The street cleric may say otherwise.)

coz the Qur'an tells you to proclaim the favours of your lord, and to celebrate (or be happy, as it also can be translated), so noone is of the opinion that the birth of the Prophet was not a favour of Allah (swt).

But the question is wether the celebration can legitimately be limited to one day. Some say it should be elebrated out through oput the year. Others say, that it should be celebrated in Rabbi-ul Awwal at the minimum, and then if possible throughout the rest of the year.

That is why its a non-argument.

In Turkiye, Bosnia and Albania the celebrations in honour of Prophet'S birth are considered of major significance.

The celebrations (known as [i]Mevlud[/i] in Turkish) are, for many people, the only time of the year where they will learn about the Prophet, his life and his message to mankind.

It is no exaggeration to say that without honouring the birth of the Prophet the Islamic heritage of the region would be lost.

and then there are people who will want the honouring to be sttopped, and then lament about lack of knowledge...

How do they celebrate? gatherings? or other ways?

"Admin" wrote:

and then there are people who will want the honouring to be sttopped, and then lament about lack of knowledge...

How do they celebrate? gatherings? or other ways?

Hi Admin....

The celebrations are similar to Eid except they are mainly focused on the
Prophet and his life. It’s a public holiday and people meet with family and attend the Mosque. For some (most) people it is the only time of the year that they will actually pray and listen to reading of the Quran and poetry in praise of Allah and his Prophet. It’s a wonderful time.

In Bosnia it’s tradition for people to announce marriages and is generally considered a day that people must put aside the worries of the modern world and reflect on the purpose of life and why we are here.

[i]Mevlud[/i] is hugely important for Muslims who life in regimes where religion is considered wrong and even dangerous. Those who object to the celebrations do not understand the best way to introduce people to Islam is through the beautiful example of the Prophet.

Salam

Muslims all over the world celebrate the Holy Festival of Milad.

But nobody does it like the Pakis.

They are the most passionate people on Earth about Prophet's Birthday.

Pakis know how to throw the best party for Muhammed.

Omrow

lol

Omro, as it is in honour of the Holy Prophet, I'll let you get away with that one.

God Bless Pakistan. And Bosnia. We share a love of copied Ottoman flags.

Salam

Yes. God bless Bosnia.

And, may God continue to bless the United States of America.

Omrow

"latifah" wrote:

"Admin" wrote:

and then there are people who will want the honouring to be sttopped, and then lament about lack of knowledge...

How do they celebrate? gatherings? or other ways?

Hi Admin....

The celebrations are similar to Eid except they are mainly focused on the
Prophet and his life. It’s a public holiday and people meet with family and attend the Mosque. For some (most) people it is the only time of the year that they will actually pray and listen to reading of the Quran and poetry in praise of Allah and his Prophet. It’s a wonderful time.

In Bosnia it’s tradition for people to announce marriages and is generally considered a day that people must put aside the worries of the modern world and reflect on the purpose of life and why we are here.

[i]Mevlud[/i] is hugely important for Muslims who life in regimes where religion is considered wrong and even dangerous. Those who object to the celebrations do not understand the best way to introduce people to Islam is through the beautiful example of the Prophet.

subhanallah!!

mega-kool

Interesting point I heard at the Mefil-e-Milad yesterday.....

A man who has a whole surah which expressly talks abuot his punishments, Abu Lahab, on every monday in hell, will have his fire reduced and he will drink cold water from his two fingers

when the slave announced to him that he had a newphew, upon hearing the news of the birth of The Beloved Nabi (saw), he pointed at the slave with his two fingers and indicated to the slave to go, 'you are free'

if a kafir who has been condemned, can drink cold water in the hell fire and can have his fire reduced on a monday, the day the Beloved Prophet was born, then what of the Ummah who spend a month celebrating the birth of Allah's Beloved? what of the people who spend their whole life celebrating the Birth of Rasulallah (saw)? can we not expect great rewards?

im not totally against it but i follow the view that it's not compulsory for various reasons. But it's kind of offensive to suggest those who throw the largest parties have the highest regard for our prophet (Saw)? You are so humble.

Salam

Happy Eid to all of you.

Its almost here.

Omrow

"TheRevivalEditor" wrote:

"yashmaki" wrote:

im not totally against it but i follow the view that it's not compulsory for various reasons. But it's kind of offensive to suggest those who throw the largest parties have the highest regard for our prophet (Saw)? You are so humble.

wanna celebrate mawlid, cool
dont- cool

doesn't make u love the prophet less or more...

mawlid celebrations shud be excuse to practise sunnah more, to learn more about the prophet (saw), to get more closer to him, etc....

big mehfils can be beneficial but that doesnt mean you love the prophet more than those who dont do such mawlid or naat mehfils...

points worth noting in both these posts.