Submitted by yashmaki on 25 January, 2006 - 13:19 #31
my husband already asked some local scholars a while ago, coz we have been thinking about it for nearly a year now. they said if you have the resources and scholars readily available to teach you about the madhab that you want to switch to it's permitted so long as you remain firm on your decision.
Submitted by Medarris on 25 January, 2006 - 13:23 #32
"yashmaki" wrote:
my husband already asked some local scholars a while ago, coz we have been thinking about it for nearly a year now. they said if you have the resources and scholars readily available to teach you about the madhab that you want to switch to it's permitted so long as you remain firm on your decision.
k, mashaALLAH.
—
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
Submitted by *DUST* on 25 January, 2006 - 13:32 #33
"yashmaki" wrote:
my husband already asked some local scholars a while ago, coz we have been thinking about it for nearly a year now. they said if you have the resources and scholars readily available to teach you about the madhab that you want to switch to it's permitted so long as you remain firm on your decision.
...but u said u dont have the resources and shuyukh to teach u guys Hanbali fiqh right?
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Submitted by yashmaki on 25 January, 2006 - 14:50 #34
yep not much in this town so i don't think it would be wise right now, maybe in the future?
Submitted by *DUST* on 25 January, 2006 - 14:51 #35
"yashmaki" wrote:
yep not much in this town so i don't think it would be wise right now, maybe in the future?
but once uv had kids wouldnt it make sense to keep teaching them along the fiqh of one madhab?
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[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Dust.html]Dust, X-Men[/url]
Submitted by yashmaki on 25 January, 2006 - 15:54 #36
yeah wouldn't be a good idea to swap after i have kids i've thought that over, great minds think alike sis lol
Submitted by *DUST* on 25 January, 2006 - 16:01 #37
"yashmaki" wrote:
yeah wouldn't be a good idea to swap after i have kids i've thought that over, great minds think alike sis lol
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[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Dust.html]Dust, X-Men[/url]
Submitted by iRazor on 25 January, 2006 - 16:17 #38
Majority of Muslims are Hanafi, 67% according to one statistic.
I think this is becuz of Imam-e-Azam Abu Hanifa's teaching method was different to that of the other Imams. Imam Abu Hanifa and his students would discuss and debate an issue for long periods of time, then Imam Abu Hanifa would give a final verdict taking evrything discussed by the group into account.
Also Imam Abu Hanifa used to trade cloth in the market, so they would study people and their behaviour while they were sitting in the market. Then they would make legal rulings based on behavioural patterns. For these reasons the Hanafi Fiqh makes more sense to people and they find it easier to implement into their lives, especially for new converts.
Hanbali fiqh is possibly the "hardest" to follow as it is considered the most "strict".
Ive heard many people say Shaf'i fiqh is Most lenient on most issue. I know for a fact that Shaf'i fiqh gives women a lot of rights over men in marriage issues though so men beware
And it is almost complsory to follow a madhab, most scholors would deem it so anyway.
Reason being, we are not scholors and havent studied sharia in detail. Definatly not enough to make legal rulings on issues. So it is best for us to follow the madhabs and those Imams of the madhabs. That way on every issue that might come up, there is a legal ruling already for it.
Also another thing about madhabs which many people dunt understand, which hasnt been mentioned it that the imams of the madhabs, after whom they are named, were the foundational figures. After these imams came other imams who would use the foundational work set up already, to give legal rulings on other issues which would come up 100's of years after the imams.
Examples of these are legal rulings on Cigerettes, Marijuana, Television etc, all of which didnt exist in the times of the foundational Imams of the Madhabs.
(I get my info from lectures by Shaykh Nu Ha Mim Keller, Shaykh Zahid Shakir and Shaykh Hisham Khabbani)
Apoligies for incorrect info I may have wrote, please correct me if i Is incorrect
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_____________- -SupeRazor- -_______________
Some ppl make their goals the stars.
They may live n die n never reach the stars,
but in the darkness of the night, those stars will guide them to their destination.
Becuz they made them in their eyesight
Submitted by judda on 26 January, 2006 - 09:13 #40
i dont read books, not even short ones. so can sum1 briefly tell me when the 4 madhabs cropt up and what are the major differences between them...
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What you put in the hearts of others; is what goes back into your own heart…
Submitted by *DUST* on 26 January, 2006 - 12:00 #41
"2" wrote:
i dont read books, not even short ones. so can sum1 briefly tell me when the 4 madhabs cropt up and what are the major differences between them...
Judda, i'm gonna b honest with u now so dont see at as harsh, its the truth:
on two threads u recently asked to know more about something and u got plenty of answers from the other members. yet after all those answers in both threads, u come back and leave a little message at the bottom saying 'summarize. i am too lazy to read'. well guess what: if u want to learn, u have to read, or go to a scholar. noone gains knowledge by sitting on their backside all day. people are dying in Chechnya even now, and u cannot be bothered to read a single article about their plight?
and again, on this issue of madhabs. its a complex topic. many of us have given summaries on it, but we all ended with something along the lines of 'we may be wrong about certain things, u have to go and read a book'.
bottomline: start reading. dont expect to learn anything from 'a summary'.
—
[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Dust.html]Dust, X-Men[/url]
Submitted by Sirus on 26 January, 2006 - 12:01 #42
I concur
—
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
Submitted by judda on 26 January, 2006 - 12:29 #43
assia u can learn A LOT from a summery
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What you put in the hearts of others; is what goes back into your own heart…
Submitted by *DUST* on 26 January, 2006 - 12:32 #44
"2" wrote:
assia u can learn A LOT from a summery
yea maybe the first thing ud learn is its correct spelling
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[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Dust.html]Dust, X-Men[/url]
Submitted by judda on 26 January, 2006 - 12:45 #45
lol tru i spell EVERYTHING incorrect and when EVER i spot a spelling mistsake i can't be bothered to edit it.... thats how bloody lazy i am!
so a qick summery...?
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What you put in the hearts of others; is what goes back into your own heart…
Submitted by judda on 26 January, 2006 - 12:51 #46
i am very confused by the fact that they were there at the time of the prophet muhammad and they still had diffrences. a sheik on islam channel sed dat.
sum1 sed da 4 imams r responsable for da division in da ummah....
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What you put in the hearts of others; is what goes back into your own heart…
Originally there was the prophet (saw), and he directly preached to the sahabah. If they had any questions he answered them.
Then there were the sahabah. if someone had a question, they answered them.
Then there were neither, and diferent people would give diferent advice. At this time there were scholars of a very high repute who would fully study an issue before giving a verdict. They also compiled hadith (this is upto 100 years before the time Imam Bukhari...) for evidence.
There a number of these scholars. The ones who were trusted became popular, and had a following of other great scholars. Now these scholars gave verdicts from the ahadith and the qur'an.
The next generation did not have the same amount of knowledge, so they just followed a 'Madhab'. The generation after that had even less direct knowledge, adn thus also followed a 'Madhab'.
These are not sources of divisiion as all four acknowledge each other as correct interpretations.
—
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
my husband already asked some local scholars a while ago, coz we have been thinking about it for nearly a year now. they said if you have the resources and scholars readily available to teach you about the madhab that you want to switch to it's permitted so long as you remain firm on your decision.
k, mashaALLAH.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
...but u said u dont have the resources and shuyukh to teach u guys Hanbali fiqh right?
[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Dust.html]Dust, X-Men[/url]
yep not much in this town so i don't think it would be wise right now, maybe in the future?
but once uv had kids wouldnt it make sense to keep teaching them along the fiqh of one madhab?
[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Dust.html]Dust, X-Men[/url]
yeah wouldn't be a good idea to swap after i have kids i've thought that over, great minds think alike sis lol
[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Dust.html]Dust, X-Men[/url]
Majority of Muslims are Hanafi, 67% according to one statistic.
I think this is becuz of Imam-e-Azam Abu Hanifa's teaching method was different to that of the other Imams. Imam Abu Hanifa and his students would discuss and debate an issue for long periods of time, then Imam Abu Hanifa would give a final verdict taking evrything discussed by the group into account.
Also Imam Abu Hanifa used to trade cloth in the market, so they would study people and their behaviour while they were sitting in the market. Then they would make legal rulings based on behavioural patterns. For these reasons the Hanafi Fiqh makes more sense to people and they find it easier to implement into their lives, especially for new converts.
Hanbali fiqh is possibly the "hardest" to follow as it is considered the most "strict".
Ive heard many people say Shaf'i fiqh is Most lenient on most issue. I know for a fact that Shaf'i fiqh gives women a lot of rights over men in marriage issues though so men beware
And it is almost complsory to follow a madhab, most scholors would deem it so anyway.
Reason being, we are not scholors and havent studied sharia in detail. Definatly not enough to make legal rulings on issues. So it is best for us to follow the madhabs and those Imams of the madhabs. That way on every issue that might come up, there is a legal ruling already for it.
Also another thing about madhabs which many people dunt understand, which hasnt been mentioned it that the imams of the madhabs, after whom they are named, were the foundational figures. After these imams came other imams who would use the foundational work set up already, to give legal rulings on other issues which would come up 100's of years after the imams.
Examples of these are legal rulings on Cigerettes, Marijuana, Television etc, all of which didnt exist in the times of the foundational Imams of the Madhabs.
(I get my info from lectures by Shaykh Nu Ha Mim Keller, Shaykh Zahid Shakir and Shaykh Hisham Khabbani)
Apoligies for incorrect info I may have wrote, please correct me if i Is incorrect
_____________- -SupeRazor- -_______________
Some ppl make their goals the stars.
They may live n die n never reach the stars,
but in the darkness of the night, those stars will guide them to their destination.
Becuz they made them in their eyesight
[url=http://store.yahoo.com/islamicbookstore-com/b6806.html]The Four Imams: Their lives, works and their Schools of Thought [/url] by Muhammad Abu Zahra is a great book on this topic.
i dont read books, not even short ones. so can sum1 briefly tell me when the 4 madhabs cropt up and what are the major differences between them...
What you put in the hearts of others; is what goes back into your own heart…
Judda, i'm gonna b honest with u now so dont see at as harsh, its the truth:
on two threads u recently asked to know more about something and u got plenty of answers from the other members. yet after all those answers in both threads, u come back and leave a little message at the bottom saying 'summarize. i am too lazy to read'. well guess what: if u want to learn, u have to read, or go to a scholar. noone gains knowledge by sitting on their backside all day. people are dying in Chechnya even now, and u cannot be bothered to read a single article about their plight?
and again, on this issue of madhabs. its a complex topic. many of us have given summaries on it, but we all ended with something along the lines of 'we may be wrong about certain things, u have to go and read a book'.
bottomline: start reading. dont expect to learn anything from 'a summary'.
[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Dust.html]Dust, X-Men[/url]
I concur
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
assia u can learn A LOT from a summery
What you put in the hearts of others; is what goes back into your own heart…
yea maybe the first thing ud learn is its correct spelling
[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Dust.html]Dust, X-Men[/url]
lol tru i spell EVERYTHING incorrect and when EVER i spot a spelling mistsake i can't be bothered to edit it.... thats how bloody lazy i am!
so a qick summery...?
What you put in the hearts of others; is what goes back into your own heart…
i am very confused by the fact that they were there at the time of the prophet muhammad and they still had diffrences. a sheik on islam channel sed dat.
sum1 sed da 4 imams r responsable for da division in da ummah....
What you put in the hearts of others; is what goes back into your own heart…
ok I wil summarise.
Originally there was the prophet (saw), and he directly preached to the sahabah. If they had any questions he answered them.
Then there were the sahabah. if someone had a question, they answered them.
Then there were neither, and diferent people would give diferent advice. At this time there were scholars of a very high repute who would fully study an issue before giving a verdict. They also compiled hadith (this is upto 100 years before the time Imam Bukhari...) for evidence.
There a number of these scholars. The ones who were trusted became popular, and had a following of other great scholars. Now these scholars gave verdicts from the ahadith and the qur'an.
The next generation did not have the same amount of knowledge, so they just followed a 'Madhab'. The generation after that had even less direct knowledge, adn thus also followed a 'Madhab'.
These are not sources of divisiion as all four acknowledge each other as correct interpretations.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
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