A man is allowed to marry a non muslim woman just because he is seen as the head of the house and has more power and all the other relevant stuff that makes him superior than a woman. So my question or point whichever way you want to take it is, why cant a muslim woman marry a non muslim guy i mean she might not be the head of the house but by the Grace of Allah SWT she may be able to convert him in to Islam. I just want to know your point and views and if possible back anything you say with hadiths where it states why a man can marry a non muslim but a woman cant.
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i dunno where u got all that^ from, but its not true!
1. Yes, Muslim men are allowed to marry women from Ahl-e-Kitab or People of the Book, i.e. Jews and Christians. please don't use the all-encompassing term 'non-muslims' because this may lead to confusion.
2. According to some scholars, this is allowed strictly in relation to [b]Orthodox[/b] Jews and Christians, who maintain the beliefs they had in the Prophet (s.a.w)'s time. Whilst Orthodox Jews still exist, these scholars say that Christianity has been changed to the extent that it is no longer acceptable for Muslim men to marry current-day Christian women.
3. In Islam men and women are equal - the only way they can b superior to one another is through piety. so the reasoning behind men being able to marry Jewish or Christian women has nothing to do with their 'superiority'. it is simply because in Islam, the father's religion is passed on to the children (kinda like how u take ur father's family name as opposed to your mothers).
4. so that last point also gives the reason behind y Muslim women cannot marry men of Ahl-e-Kitab - because according to Islam, the children take on the father's religion.
1. the marriage will not count as a Nikah, as there are certain things that are clearly laid down. it is unanimously accepted that Muslim women cannot marry men of Ahl-e-Kitab or of any other faith. so if they get 'married', it would not count as Nikah and they would be living in sin.
2. if the guy converted (with sincerity, not just for the girl) then there would be no problem with them getting married, obviously that would be encouraged and alhumdulillah their kids would be born into a Muslim family. BUT if the guy does not convert before marriage, what is the likelihood he'll change his mind afterwards? y wud any Muslim woman want to risk having her kids grow up as non-Muslims?! it is not worth it in my opinion.
3. but before talking about all that^, lets get back to the basics: how did the girl meet this non-muslim guy, and get to know him to the extent she wants to marry him? something tells me if she'd followed the guidelines of Islam, she wouldnt have found herself in this predicament in the first place.
i am looking for the relevant ahadith, wil post em up as soon as i find em inshaAllah.
hope some of that^ helped!
wassalaam.
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According to our shia fiqh it is haraam for Muslim woman to marry a nonmuslim man. some do it anyway. its sin to wed nonmuslim.
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just get him to convert first
but its not right for a girl to be 'convincing' a guy to become a muslim - as that would involve haraam interaction. if she's really so keen on him, she should just get him in touch with a local imam or some muslim brothers.
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True
but it has been done
Out of curiosity how does Shariah get past the fact that in Judaism religion is passed through the mother, and that in Christianity a marriage is not sanctioned outside the church?
that is for the girl to worry about - if she's willing to ignore those^ points to get married to a Muslim guy, thats her decision. according to Shari'ah, the marriage is accepted.
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But then she isn't Orthodox... so doesn't that mean he can't marry her?
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Its a very bad idea to marry a Wahhabi. Unless you like having deranged kids.
LOL
Sin to WED non muslim but ok to mutah (temp/one night stand) WED shia "muslim"?
Im confused.
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leave it razor...
Originally Mu'tah was allowed. Even sunni's believe that. Later it was banned. The shias reject that hadith...
A woman can marry a non-muslim.
A Muslim woman cannot marry a nonmuslim.
However from the other side, the people of the book may say that their woman cannot marry muslims... as Dave pointed out.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
well just to clear something out i jus wana say that this aint a personal problem its just im interested in knowing stuff so
please i beg you dont relate it to me thanx
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yes mutah was allowed by prophet pbuhfh. abu baker also allowed it in his 2 year reign. marriage can be open ended that means is full time or for a fix term. short term nikah can be done with any woman even sunni or shia or even non muslim woman.
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Above is a lie.
The Mut'ah was made haraam forever by Holy Prophet salallahu alayhi wa sallam, it was more widely publicised during the dawr of Sayyidina Umar radhiyallahu anh.
This is prostitution and whoever engages in it has performed a major sin.
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women do marry non muslims, my mum knows of one. although it may be legal, it is not religiously legitimate.
you may be with that person in this life, but what about the next? and why risk that? especially by bringing yr children up in a non muslim household, if you love them so much, wd you not want the best for them?
Right... but I think you captured it with the not being religiously legitimate - I know muslim girls that go out with nonmuslims but i'm pretty sure they do so on their own prerogative, they aren't [i]allowed[/i] to but do so anyway.
Just like any Christian that willingly allows their children to be raised muslim.
concept of mutah should be discussed in a separate thread. But to be fair we can't say mutah is prostitution. If we believe that at one point in Islamic history it was "permitted" but later "abolished" aren't you then implying it was a form of prostitution when Islam permitted it, wouldn't that thght in itself be sinful?
I can see your point men can use it to their advantage to prey on naive young women, but calling all these girls prostitutes is going a bit too far.
I noticed you've been deleting your posts a lot Med.
I wasn't insulted by your original post - obviously you believe Islam is better ergo it's not terribly shocking to me you would say so from time to time.
Obviously it's not my style, I like to think im a little less... religiously aggressive - but you're your own person.
i dont get all this deleting stuff, its too confusing
I think everyone is beginning to dislikes deletions. I will post my suggestion on Killing the Mods thread.
This is why he is deleting his posts:
The temporary marriage that is perpertrated today is legalised prostitution.
No1 called those girls prostitutes, some of them are - I refer to the holy prostitutes of najaf, karbala, and qom. The unsuspecting girls who get into these marriages without being aware that they are temperory are victims.
This was orginially allowed for certain time periods and this practice of temperorary marriage was only exceptions rather than rule.
Today, it is legalised prositution.
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Its application and its context was different in the exceptional circumstances when it was permitted in islaam. It was not prostitution.
Today its application and its context are that it is prositution.
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what is the period of Iddah for the woman?
No point debating it if we do not know that.
And if the woman does not know its a temporary marriage (as med suggested), it can be hidden from anyone even if the scholars are sunni.
There would be no timeframe mentioned.
Just that he would divorce her when he feels like it...
Med I doubt that it is about context...
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Mut'ah is prohibitted, but in early muslims there was a lot of debate around it. (and some of the hadith above are probably without context... so this cannot be taken as a proof for permissibility, but as a proof of a debate.)
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.