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I doubt it.
We have a way of calling almost everything blessed, holy etc.
I think it stems from a diferent culture, where since god created everything, it has a use... so anything can be holy...
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Why not Holy Al Qaeda then?
you'd be surprised. There are people who say that.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
For the record innocent jewish life cannot be taken.
Hamas wish to make palestine an islamic state, not a secular one like fatah or some of the other leftist parties. Hence it could be deemed "holy".
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
And the fact that they kill innocent people does not strip them of this honor?
we are ALL sinners brother. God is Most Merciful.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
Thus it can be said from your perspective that Hamas is a Holy party doing God's work in Palestine because they are the most active and successful support for Palestinians, even despite their terrorist activities which are forgiven because all people sin and God will forgive them.
Is that a fair summation?
bruv, thats not what I said and I cannot accept or reject your summation.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
Very well then just leave it as is.
Anybody else?
Hamas won
whats the 411 on that
Juddah style - summary please....i havent been following news or sports last few days...
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
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they got 72 of the 132 seats. fatah got 43.
Fatah activists want Mahmoud Abbas and his fellows to resign... Hamas has extended ahand of unity...
Israel has rejected any negotioations with a overnment that contains Hamas... the US is right up the tail with Israel...
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
who are fatah and what they all about......
whos Mahmoud Abbas........
who are Hamas trying to unite with.........
Israel hardly negotiated anyway...........
and i read the US arent happy, but who cares
they've never helped the Palestines, only the opposite
the palistinians need people who represent them and stand for em
only the muslims will help the muslims, Hamas all the way
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
'Hamas is doing God's work or will' - if by that last word u are referring to my 'inshaAllah', then i think u have definitely misunderstood me. i literally meant: if God wills it, Hamas'll win. nothing more, nothing less. the reason behind this is because i am still unsure as to where i stand on Hamas. on the one hand they are doing much more than anyone else for the Palestinian people in terms of infrastructure - as Admin pointed out, there is more to them than just their 'armed wing' (also as GWB put it!;)). so i said i was happy that Hamas had won because they were the choice of the Palestinian people, and if the Palestinians are happy, so am i.
but then on the other hand, there is this issue of civilian deaths (i agree with Admin that IDF are legitimate targets) - Med go give that reason of yours to a family who has lost a child in a such a gruesome way. and yes, i know palestinian children are killed at a much larger scale, but two wrongs never make a right - jewish and palestinian children are equally ma'soom, how can we make excuses for either of their deaths? i can never make excuses for Hamas when it comes to the death of children or the elderly, or any innocent civilians. However, it is worth noting the point (which everyone seems to be conveniently ignoring) that Hamas have stuck to their last ceasefire, and theyv made it pretty clear that as long as Israel dont do anything stupid, neither will they. they also made it clear in their election campaign that they are working towards a better life for the palestinian people, atleast for the time being they are not interested in any negotiations with Israel i.e. everyone should leave them alone and see how they get on with their job!
basically dave, as u may have gathered: i am somewhat torn on the issue (but my general sentiments are best expressed by Admin on this thread).
also, my fault for not clarifying there and then in my answer to Med's post, but i myself would not label them a 'holy party' because that is for Allah to judge, i do not like putting religious labels on people and especially on groups/political parties.
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Maybe if you'd read the NewsBlog...
:roll:
maybe i always go straight to the forums :roll:
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He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
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Fatah had been ruling Palestine for the last decade or so.
It was founded by Yasser Arafat as a militant resistence group but evolved into a political party.
It is a secular nationalist party.
Mahmoud Abbas is the current president of Palestine.
He is from the Fatah party.
Hamas have said that they want to unite with Fatah.
Fatah has much more experience in government than Hamas.
Fatah have also dealt on a political level with Israel, whereas Hamas have not.
You could say that.
This is probably just another excuse not to negotiate.
But on the other hand you can't expect Israel to say that 'yes, we will negotiate with hamas even though they want to destroy us.'
The US has been giving quite a bit of funding to the Palestinian gov. The US could withdraw this funding now that Hamas is in charge.
The EU is the biggest funder of the Palestinean gov. They could also withdraw funding.
It is very true that they give much more funding to Israel.
One reason why people were fed up with fatah was that it was involved in corruption and the peace process appeared not to be getting anywhere.
Fatah are also Muslims.
by that last statement, i meant you cant expect serious help from US, so why they are concerned i know not
the middle east is messed up....has been for some time.....maybe something might happen......give em a chance
why not TRY negotiations
clean slate
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
So basically they are like the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi]Nazis[/url], with a [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzstaffel]military[/url] and [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_party]civilian[/url] component.
The military component does the bad stuff, the civilian component does the socially acceptable stuff and they are both united under a political platform.
Therefore, one cannot blame the political (Nazis) Hamas for the deeds of military (Schutzstaffel) Hamas, because they are [i]biforcations[/i] under the same movement.
If Al Qaeda were to start a political organization joined by ideological principle (Caliphate, Palestine, end of US intervention in the Middle East) to the terrorist organization, would anybody here support it?
There is a diference that Alqaeda is not currently fighting for liberation, and that the principle targets of violence for both are diferent.
Just like the insurgency in Iraq. I will not condemn it in general as it is a legitimate movement, but I am totally and unequivocally against all the kidnapings and murder of civilians that accompanies it.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Sure they are! They attacked the Pentagon to impair the US war-planning machine, and they attacked the WTC to impair the US economy/war-making machine.
They are fighting for a full US withdrawal from the middle east.
More recently they attacked Spain to convince them to withdraw from Iraq and they did. Thus helping liberate Iraq.
But Al Qaeda's political wing wouldn't be doing suicide bombing or any of that nasty stuff - it would all be political negotiation, based on the platform bin Laden repeatedly talks about.
So just forget the "military" stuff - that's a completely different wing.
Would you support such a political party, good issues under the banner of Al Qaeda?
why not?
If the democrats changed their tune and started political motions that you wanted, would you vote for them?
(I am ignoring the fact that Al Qaeda kills civillians, and only civillians... unless they fluke something.)
After all we are asked to have respect and sympathy for the citizens if the USA whilst its military is killing countless muslims, and invding countrieson false pretexts. We diferentiate here between the government, it military and the people.
Or should the people be accepted as acceptable target because of what the gov and the military are doing?
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Thanks
I don't think you can even compare Al Qaeda to Hamas. Any such comparison will look at them from a superficial perspective.
Hamas is an organised political militant party. It has a recognised hierarchy and a decision-making process. It is concerened primarily with Palestine.
Al Qaeda is loose propogandist movement. It has no structure and no 'membership'. It tries to incorporate as many different causes as it possibly can.
So more like the Nazis than Al Qaeda?
In that they are both political parties, yes, I suppose.
But whereas the Nazis sought to take over the world, Hamas seek to 'liberate Palestine'. 'Liberate Palestine' in their case can be defined very loosely. They may, and most probably will, drop certain goals from their constitution.
Fatah/PLO dropped calls for Israel's destruction and recognised the Jewish state a very long ago. And they did this after a violent campaign against Israel.
[url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4658872.stm]BBC[/url]
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
[url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4776578.stm][size=18][b]Hamas rejects al-Qaeda's support [/b] [/size][/url]
Hamas has dismissed a message by al-Qaeda number two Ayman al-Zawahiri urging the Palestinian militant group never to make peace with Israel.
Hamas political leader Khaled Meshaal said the movement had "its own vision" and did not need al-Qaeda's advice.
He was responding to a video statement in which Zawahiri called on Hamas - which won last month's Palestinian election - to continue to fight Israel...
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If you can't answer those questions you're not qualified to follow up with those comments.
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Isn't this treasonous?
Salam
This is what you get when your policies make the masses angry:
A hardline militant group makes its way into government.
[url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4686844.stm]Hamas win[/url]
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4650724.stm
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