salaaam
An interesting programme will be showing this sunday....presented by Anila Baig, The Sun's 'Our Woman in a Headscarf', who will travel to Muslim communities across Britain.
[b]Great British Islam - 8pm, Channel 4[/b]
Great British Islam reveals the long and sometimes dramatic history of the Islamic presence in the UK. Compelling stories and dynamic characters will illuminate each period in history and the narrative is interwoven with insights in to the contribution Muslims have made in social and cultural spheres, including politics, business and the arts. This film will be presented by Anila Baig, The Sun's 'Our Woman in a Headscarf', who will travel to Muslim communities across Britain, meeting religious leaders, politicians, businessmen, community representatives whilst interacting generally with local people.
Time: 20:00 to 21:00 (1 hour long).
When: Sunday 30th October on Channel 4
[b]also do we live in Great British Islam? Is Britain great to live in for Muslims?[/b]
pls share your views...
Salam
Britain is the best country for muslims to live in.
It is certainly better than oppressive Saudi Arabia.
And also, Britain it is better than tyrannical Taliban regime.
Long live the Queen.
Omrow
Salaam.. I watched the programme ..wow
MashaAllah it was good, it was informative, and explained to viewers muslims have been in Great Britain for AGES!! was it the 16th century?! the Spanish slaves I think.
Also they talked about how muslims imported Turkish coffee which is how the British first got addicted to caffiene and other stuff.
Good stuff
' Nay, verily! With me is my Lord, He will guide me ' {2662}
salaam
i missed the programme:-(
what else did it cover?
also are Muslims greatful living in this country?
do you feel you have more freedom to practise your religion unlike other countries?
should we not be proud british muslims?
or do you feel it is harder to practise Islam in this country?
pls share your views...
Well, they showed migrants (Yemenis) who came in here early last century to south shields (I think that is in Scotland, not sure) and that the 3rd and 4th generation are moving away from south shields to other parts of the UK to find jobs....BUT the woman did interview a few young Yemeni lads from South Shields, and 1 of them was telling how he got married 2 a woman back from Yemen because she will b more cultured and bring the children up the Islamic way because he felt he probably wouldnt be able to find that tyoe of woman here.......
Also they talked about how muslims were the first to introduce curry to Great Britain....AND they interviewed youngsters in Bradford abt the aftermath of 9/11 and how they were shouted at by the white british people who said "pakis go home" and shouting "terrorist"
It also talked about shakespears othello and how the character othello was christian but represented what British people thought about muslims at the time (or something like that)
Towards the end, the presenter (who is pakistani muslim) told how she wld get fed up of people asking her "are u Indian ect" and she thought 2 herself "let me fix the problem, I will wear the headscarf, then everybody will know what I am"
I am grateful for living here, we get education and health and an improved living standard than if we were back home.... but then again, the media is VERY biased towards muslims, they label us as terrorists just because of the actions of a handful of muslims, but if a christian or sikh does something, their religion does not get mentioned :evil:
' Nay, verily! With me is my Lord, He will guide me ' {2662}
Salam
British Islam will be the best Islam in the whole world.
Britain has always come up with the best things in the world.
The Saudis and the rest have had their day.
They have failed the muslim world. Their efforts to educate us inIslam have resulted in this monster known as Al Qaeda: Blood thirsty fanatics who want to kill and destroy anything that disagrees with their evil ideology.
Its only a matter of time before our government comes up with effective strategy to deals with this form of twisted Islam.
I wish them Godspeed.
Omrow
Not really Omrow, when the Saudi government found out that Al-Qaeda, a group with such extremist views was formed in their country.. the government decided to ban them from Saudi and hence they were forced to migrate to Afghanistan.
omrow you are the product of the media and show how living in this country can brainwash
you said british islam best in the world- just come to birmingham, bradford you will find the worst muslims in the world who do drugs,drink , girls and generally disregard religion. Surely the best muslims in this world are those in Mecca,medina, asia and north african where they dont just practise islam they live it and have shariah law.
you also said
Britain has always come up with the best things in the world
trying reading some islamic history, yeah britain and the west are more advanced now and have been for the last century. However islam was the leading innovators in science, medicine, maths, physics and general livng conditions for at least 10 centuries.
you said
Its only a matter of time before our government comes up with effective strategy to deals with this form of twisted Islam.
yeah that strategy involves ID cards, taking away our civil liberties, isolation of muslims and terror laws in which many hundreds of muslims have gotten arrested without being charged held
omrow you wish them 'godspeed', lol lol
wake up and educate yourself man seriously you need to read up on islam outside the school curriculum and outside the corrupt biased propagandist media
Exactly! thats what the programme kinda suggested, when talking about some of the stuff muslim immigrants bought into the UK. Also, the romans copied arabic numbers didnt they?! thats where we get 1, 2, 3 ect from
' Nay, verily! With me is my Lord, He will guide me ' {2662}
Raf. Your comments have nothing to do with what I said.
tobah tobah, it is true. The hadeeth of Nubuwwat salallahu alayhi wa sallam is indeed coming true where it is mentioned that imaan will return to Madinah just as a snake returns to its hole. Everywhere there are muslims, but how many believers. May ALLAH forgive us.
And as for cussing saudia, people should remember that Makkah Mukarramah and Madinah Munawwarah are in that country, that the Madani people are the neighbours of ALLAH'S HABEEB salallahu alayhi wa sallam, that the Makki people are the neighbours of ALLAH azza wa jal.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
omrow i find you incredibly stupid , my comments have everything to do with your post i analysed your post and corrected your misinterpreted delusioned views
I believe Omrows point is we are more free to practice Islam here than we are in 'muslim' countries.
We may not be good muslims, but atleast we have the choice to pratice more, and our religious freedoms are not curtailed.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
[url=http://www.city-journal.org/html/15_4_suicide_bombers.html]Raf786, here is a great article[/url] on Muslim integration.
reasd first 3 paragrahs of that, and th author does not get it.
The authoir does not understand the problem. SO any solution or explanation offered later is false.
read next two para's ow, and boy does the author not get it.
Too long, and I need sleep.
But boy does the author not get it. Totally off-base. (if author ever read this, here is a hint: research)
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
lol i read it thru. sum of the authors points are correct, but not constructive. 100 wot exactly wos the point of posting that?
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Salam
I didn't say that.
He is not capable of even reading properly, let alone analysis.
Analysis requires a lot of thinking. And he can't think.
Omrow
The author gets it. He is not talking about bigger interests and pseudo-philosophies. He addresses a dissonance for Muslims in Britain between claims and reality. That it why I described it as an article on integration.
Aasiyah, if you agree with the analysis, that is constructive. What is not constructive is saying, "Here am I staring the truth in the face. Now, I don't like it. It isn't constructive." And I'm showing it to Raf786, because he thinks he's got a better idea. Don't be put off by the first three paragraphs, like the laziest administrator in the world would be, and if you are, certainly don't comment on who gets what.
er forgive us, but we were attempting to read it at 3 in the morning. so no, admin isnt the laziest, he's probably the busiest! :roll:
i read the article through. and about halfway down he stopped making sense...:
...and where did this guy study islam again? in this paragraph he seems to be suggesting that Islam IS the problem (adding '-ism' to the end doesnt change anything). hence, his comments are not constructive.
100 this article is not about integration, its about how muslims will never integrate.
another point thats wierd about this guy - he hasnt provided any references. he quoted the BBC, and theres no footnote. then he pulls out such statistics (which are all available online) and he cant even provide a link for that either. i wonder y he doesnt mention the statistics in his own country, the U.S: the ratio of women to men converting to Islam over there is 5:1. pretty clear i reckon.
personally, i think it must b much harder for the average non-muslim guy to convert coz it means no more dating, pre-marital relations with women etc., repressing sexual desires, lowering gaze, and so on and so forth, and all of this must b difficult for men living in a Western society.
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Aasiyah,
You have not understood the article. He refers distinctly to Islamism and Islam. He also, at one point, writes as though the voice of the British public is interjecting, and goes on to take a view. I would think it is a challenging piece, and appreciating it takes more than an innate desire to rebut it. I think his analysis is very important. It challenges the tenets of disaffected Muslim youth most stridently.
The reaction to Omrow's pride in British Islam actually backs up the paragraph you quoted. If I were a British Muslim I'm quite sure I would be saying, 'Yeah, we rock!' and making it so. But that is intolerable. It would mean having some respect for the here and now.
omrow you forgot to say 'godspeed'
you bounty
but this guy isnt british is he? he's writing for an american magazine so i assumed he's american. my question about 'where did he study islam' was a serious one, i'd like to know more about the author, it helps in understanding his viewpoint. i googled this guy but just got a load of his articles, no biography.
no, it is not a challenging piece actually, just rather long. since you're suggesting that i wanted to rebut it before i even started reading it, i might aswell tel u that i actually made a conscious effort to read through the entire article with an open mind. 100, it does not help when u act as tho ur always right and anyone who disagrees with u is ignorant.
thats something u hav to take up with Raf i guess.
i've edited my previous post to add another quote from the article.
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He is British and writes for mainstream British press including The Times, [url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2005/10/26/do... Telegraph[/url] and the Spectator. He is a renowned doctor and social commentator and to suggest he has an issue with research as Admin did, is very wrongheaded.
You rebutted it broadly on one paragraph. The preceding paragraphs give enormous context. I still see it as a challenging article, and I still believe you are undermining it significantly. At 3am you were closer to a genuine response. It is not about my being always right, plenty of times I have conceded or let others have their way as you know. That line, however, is a line meant to imply I am so arrogant, that I should be automatically considered offensive. Get over yourself. I believe that international and domestic politics can if everyone wants move towards a happy, peaceful and dignified future for us all, and I am not challenging your Islam. To reject the distinction between Islam and Islamism means you prefer to advance the interests of your own social group, and I find that selfish and, given the reality of today's politics, dangerous. But I don't believe you mean to fall on that side of the line. Necessarily.
You are obsessing with undermining the author. More fool you.
100 what is your point
dont post long boring articles then talk jibberish like your the only one that can understand it
I have nothing agaisnt integration, we have integrated into british society we work, live and socialise with britains.
but they want us to live like them, go to the pub , dress like them , they have mixed up ideas about us thet is due the media portraying us negatively.
the article
'Many young Muslims, unlike the sons of Hindus and Sikhs who immigrated into Britain at the same time as their parents, take drugs, including heroin. They drink, indulge in casual sex, and make nightclubs the focus of their lives. Work and careers are at best a painful necessity, a slow and inferior means of obtaining the money for their distractions'
this is wrong and just portraying us negatively, it is segragating us and states muslim men are worse of the immigrants. On what does he base these opinions on , i gaurantee if he researched birmingham he would have found 90% of hindus and sikhs drink and indulge in casaul sex compared to about 39% of muslim men.
'A highly secularized Muslim population whose men nevertheless wish to maintain their dominance over women '
this is the biggest stereotype going , just because muslim women are predominantly housewifes and covered up, they are opressed
'Surveys suggest that between 6 and 13 percent of British Muslims—that is, between 98,000 and 208,000 people—are sympathetic toward Islamic terrorists and their efforts'.
how? where? did he conduct such a survey ?
what does he count as Islamic terrorists ?,
terrorist is a terrorist why add islamic to it, that is a trick of the media giving islam a bad name by always associating it with terrorism
why arent russians called christian terrorist who killed 100000s of innocent chechans
or the IRA called catholic terrorist
I could have further analysed and quoted 3/4 of this biased article but just mentioned few things,
the fact you think so much of this racist article shows how narrow minded and brainwashed you are 100
Go Raf!
raf, good points.
u posted it twice tho.
and its 'briton', not 'britain' when ur talking bout the ppl. (sorry to be so pedantic, i couldnt help it) :oops:
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100.
If you could give us a brief overview of what you found so intiguing about the article that'll make things easier.
Just few sentences. 3 or 4. No need for more than 1 para.
Irfghan, not really right now. The article says what it says. Did you read it?
wot is so wrong about adding footnotes at the end of an article? isnt that normal for a magazine? all i'm asking for is some references. thanx for the info about the author's background btw.
as i sed, i've read the article in its entirety so my 'rebuttal' was based on wot i'd read, not just tht 1 paragraph.
wot is so challenging about it? its an article like any other. u read, and u formulate opinions. then a coupla weeks later, uv forgotton all about it.
how can u b so sure? i only wrote a line. and i still go by it - i agree with some of the authors points, but i dont see them as hugely constructive.
have u? no actually i dont recall that happening.
i never suggested that ur challenging Islam.
in fact, look, i'll quote u:
so how much more blatant can u get? according to u the analysis is correct, and me disagreeing means i 'don't like' the 'truth'. :roll:
ok, so lets see the definition of this 'word':
Is·lam·ism
n.
1. An Islamic revivalist movement, often characterized [b]by moral conservatism, literalism, and the attempt to implement Islamic values in all spheres of life[/b].
2. [b]The religious faith, principles, or cause of Islam[/b].
i wonder who named this 'revivalist movement'. :roll: practicing muslims would follow both definitions. Islam is a way of life. therefore if u are a muslim, u adopt its values in every sphere of life, yes. so?
point out where i 'obsessed with undermining' him. all i asked for is references, is that a crime now? actually i have made it clear that i'd like to know more about this author - how can i undermine him if i dont even know anything of his background besides his name?
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Both of you have written a response that is fully inadequate in making a new point and meaningless as a challenge to the article or to my standing up for it. I will address those responses late this evening. When I say that I am not merely or necessarily stating that we disagree, I am implying your reactions are not rooted in serious critical appreciation. With Raf786 that is no surprise. With Aasiyah it is a shame, like watching someone dig their own grave. In any case, I'll reply later to justify these highly upsetting ad hominems. Raf786 can get some blinkers because as he well knows [i]he[/i] doesn't have to take this BS. Maybe Irfghan can write something predictably shameless in an attempt to ignore the point.
Peace and love.
lol. ah, 'ad hominems' again, bad us.
y bother 100? ur right, we're all wrong (and ignorant, which doesnt help ofcourse).
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