George Bush: 'God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq'

Published by You on 7 October, 2005 - 00:37

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[size=18]George Bush: 'God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq'[/size]

President told Palestinians God also talked to him about Middle East peace.

George Bush has claimed he was on a mission from God when he launched the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, according to a senior Palestinian politician in an interview to be broadcast by the BBC later this month.

Mr Bush revealed the extent of his religious fervour when he met a Palestinian delegation during the Israeli-Palestinian summit at the Egpytian resort of Sharm el-Sheikh, four months after the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.

One of the delegates, Nabil Shaath, who was Palestinian foreign minister at the time, said: "President Bush said to all of us: 'I am driven with a mission from God'. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did."

Mr Bush went on: "And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East'. And, by God, I'm gonna do it."

Mr Bush, who became a born-again Christian at 40, is one of the most overtly religious leaders to occupy the White House, a fact which brings him much support in middle America.

Soon after, the Israeli daily newspaper Haaretz carried a Palestinian transcript of the meeting, containing a version of Mr Bush's remarks. But the Palestinian delegation was reluctant publicly to acknowledge its authenticity.

The BBC persuaded Mr Shaath to go on the record for the first time for a three-part series on Israeli-Palestinian diplomacy: Elusive Peace, which begins on Monday.

Religion also surfaced as an issue when Mr Bush and Tony Blair were reported to have prayed together in 2002 at his ranch at Crawford, Texas - the summit at which the invasion of Iraq was agreed in principle. Mr Blair has consistently refused to admit or deny the claim.

Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian prime minister, who was also part of the delegation at Sharm el-Sheikh, told the BBC programme that Mr Bush had said: "I have a moral and religious obligation. I must get you a Palestinian state. And I will."

Mr Shaath's comments came as Mr Bush delivered a speech yesterday aimed at bolstering US support for the Iraq war.

He revealed that the US and its partners had disrupted at least 10 serious al-Qaida plots since September 11, including three planned attacks in the US. "Because of this steady progress, the enemy is wounded - but the enemy is still capable of global operations," he said. He added that Islamic radicals had used a series of excuses to justify their attacks, from conflict with the Israelis to the Crusades 1,000 years ago.

"We're facing a radical ideology with unalterable objectives: to enslave whole nations and intimidate the world," he said.

He conceded that al-Qaida, led in Iraq by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, and other insurgents had gained ground in Iraq but the US would not leave until security had been established. "Some observers also claim that America would be better off by cutting our losses and leaving Iraq now. This is a dangerous illusion, refuted with a simple question: Would the United States and other free nations be more safe, or less safe, with Zarqawi and Bin Laden in control of Iraq, its people, and its resources?" Mr Bush asked.

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So he has let his 'God' down then...

More chaos in Afghanistan, and Iraq. No state for Palestinians. 0 out of 3.

Submitted by Sirus on 7 October, 2005 - 00:40

did anyone hear him today on Sky News??

kept goin on about OBL and Musilm extremists..........i swear, the amount of times he said Muslims......i felt like knockin the old man cold!!

lol...i serously thought he was over this stuff.....but hes jus chattin the same old rubbish since 9/11 still

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Submitted by You on 7 October, 2005 - 00:46

Well it don't really matter. Its in the minds of the people.

'Muslim extremists'.

And it will be used as such forever to stir up fear.

Fear being the best way to manipulate any situation.

No point crying over spilt milk, but rather we must rectufy the problem for the future.

However All muslims are 'extreme' when compared to liberal agnostics who have no religion. So even here the term can and will be misused.

Dubya is a joke. I would laugh if he was not so powerful (or is he? he is probably just a frontman. just like the maffia...). A failure of democracy.

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Submitted by Sirus on 7 October, 2005 - 00:48

this may sound daft.....but ive heard the name dubya quite a bit now

who is he?

i thought it was a place first :oops:

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Submitted by You on 7 October, 2005 - 00:50

Dubya is El Presidente. Fidel castro... I mean The president George W Bush.

It may be a play on W, or it may be from somewhere else.

(Doubleyou>>Dubleya>> Dubya)

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Submitted by Sirus on 7 October, 2005 - 00:51

OH!!

well thats jus daft

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Submitted by iRazor on 7 October, 2005 - 00:54

george bush is an idiot, he is, or was an average student. so how duz an average student run a country ? he duznt!!!! usa is bein run by a larger org, n bush is jus the media relation. he is jus the face. n bush is perfect for the organisation that is truly runnin usa, becuz, he wud beleve nefin they tell him. if they tld him to go on tv n declare war on the moon, the idiot prolly would

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Submitted by Sirus on 7 October, 2005 - 00:55

lol....war on the moon

Weapons of mass grating?

(cheese)

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Submitted by Allahuakbar on 7 October, 2005 - 07:40

Once a clown, always a clown. Sorry, or should I say monkey. What can I say, hate his guts, whenever I see him on TV I have to change the channel. Can't stand him and his BS. But he will be judged accordingly in the hereafter of course.

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Submitted by DTC on 7 October, 2005 - 09:54

Hi,

That Bush is a scary bloke man.

If somone in the real world went around causing chaos, killing kids and women, saying god had told him to do it he'd get 10 years in a nut house. What does this looney tune get.... The Presidency of the USA!!!!

My favourite bit is this:
"We're facing a radical ideology with unalterable objectives: to enslave whole nations and intimidate the world,"

No sh*t Sherlock......you lead that ideology, you should know.

Submitted by Ging Ging on 7 October, 2005 - 10:30

Good Morning,

This sounds quite familiar let me lead you on a journey,....."God told me to do it"....God allowed me to do it....God gave us the right to do it...."Its our God given right"....!!!

Blimey no wonder the Israelis and Americans won't entertain the idea of the Koran being right. There singing the same song.

TTFN

:twisted:

Submitted by Dragon on 7 October, 2005 - 17:47

bush can say or do wat he wants.... no one has the will or power to do any thing abt it...

i wont be serprised if he says God said to me, 'george, i tired of being God... i think ur the best guy to take over...'

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Submitted by Seraphim on 7 October, 2005 - 19:45

The problem with George W Bush is that he's either dumber than he looks or smarter than he looks.

He may look like a hairless Chiwawa, boast far less intelligence than the average person but ever since he's come into his presidency he's managed to make a bad situation even worse.

You know how they say you shouldnt throw oil on a fire... well this guys goes and puts a oil plant right next door to the fire and then squirts a little of it on the fire every now and then to divert attention away from his short-comings. Incase the American people suddenly wake up and start thinking little-of him.

How a muppet like him became the leader of one of the worlds most powerful nations is more concerning than finding OBL. His years in power have had soo many holes you'd think it'd been thru a firing range.

It wouldnt surprise me in the least if there was the hand of someone or some organisation behind him. Coz he's either on a one man mission to cheese off everyone by being a big bully playing with the tax payers toys or he's an a right fruitcake. :evil:

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Submitted by MuslimSisLilSis on 7 October, 2005 - 20:03

"Seraph" wrote:

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Submitted by Seraphim on 7 October, 2005 - 20:07

"MuslimSisLilSis" wrote:
"Seraph" wrote:

[b]EDIT: Tempar, tempar
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[b]Spelling, Spelling
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lol, i didnt see that till now.... phantom may edit my posts but his spellings no better...lol.

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Submitted by You on 7 October, 2005 - 20:27

I don't see a problem with him having christian policies... after all the US is mostly christian.

What I do have a problem is him associating his policies with God.

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Submitted by St George on 7 October, 2005 - 20:54

"Admin" wrote:
I don't see a problem with him having christian policies... after all the US is mostly christian.

What I do have a problem is him associating his policies with God.

everyone claims god is on their side...

wot do u think about muslim nations such as pakistan claiming god is on their side?

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Submitted by You on 7 October, 2005 - 20:57

Does Musharraf go and say:

'last night god came to me, and said 'Musharraf! make you sort out those terrorists in the provinces!' and I said I will'?

There is nothing wrong in thinking God is on your side. There is something wrong in linking your cause to god by saying he ordered you to do it.

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Submitted by St George on 7 October, 2005 - 21:00

wot about countries who call themselfs "islamic republics" and grandly title themsefs the "land of the pure"?

arent they linking their casue to god?

they better have pretty high standards or they will be as bad as dat son of a bush in washington...

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Submitted by You on 7 October, 2005 - 21:43

are they saying 'god said to me to have this border here, and to have him as my first minister, and to ally myself with such a county.'

As I said, nothing wrong in thinking god is on your side.

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Submitted by Alisha on 8 October, 2005 - 15:42

[b] this is a joke!! unless bush thinks god is Ariel Sharon Blum 3 [/b]

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Submitted by You on 9 October, 2005 - 00:33

"Jack Dante" wrote:
So he is crackers after all.....

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Bush: God told me to invade Iraq

President 'revealed reasons for war in private meeting'
By Rupert Cornwell in Washington
Published: 07 October 2005

President George Bush has claimed he was told by God to invade Iraq and attack Osama bin Laden's stronghold of Afghanistan as part of a divine mission to bring peace to the Middle East, security for Israel, and a state for the Palestinians.

The President made the assertion during his first meeting with Palestinian leaders in June 2003, according to a BBC series which will be broadcast this month.

The revelation comes after Mr Bush launched an impassioned attack yesterday in Washington on Islamic militants, likening their ideology to that of Communism, and accusing them of seeking to "enslave whole nations" and set up a radical Islamic empire "that spans from Spain to Indonesia". In the programmeElusive Peace: Israel and the Arabs, which starts on Monday, the former Palestinian foreign minister Nabil Shaath says Mr Bush told him and Mahmoud Abbas, former prime minister and now Palestinian President: "I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan.' And I did, and then God would tell me, 'George go and end the tyranny in Iraq,' and I did."

And "now again", Mr Bush is quoted as telling the two, "I feel God's words coming to me: 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East.' And by God, I'm gonna do it."

Mr Abbas remembers how the US President told him he had a "moral and religious obligation" to act. The White House has refused to comment on what it terms a private conversation. But the BBC account is anything but implausible, given how throughout his presidency Mr Bush, a born-again Christian, has never hidden the importance of his faith.

From the outset he has couched the "global war on terror" in quasi-religious terms, as a struggle between good and evil. Al-Qa'ida terrorists are routinely described as evil-doers. For Mr Bush, the invasion of Iraq has always been part of the struggle against terrorism, and he appears to see himself as the executor of the divine will.

He told Bob Woodward - whose 2004 book, Plan of Attack, is the definitive account of the administration's road to war in Iraq - that after giving the order to invade in March 2003, he walked in the White House garden, praying "that our troops be safe, be protected by the Almighty". As he went into this critical period, he told Mr Woodward, "I was praying for strength to do the Lord's will.

"I'm surely not going to justify war based upon God. Understand that. Nevertheless, in my case, I pray that I will be as good a messenger of His will as possible. And then of course, I pray for forgiveness."

Another telling sign of Mr Bush's religion was his answer to Mr Woodward's question on whether he had asked his father - the former president who refused to launch a full-scale invasion of Iraq after driving Saddam Hussein from Kuwait in 1991 - for advice on what to do.

The current President replied that his earthly father was "the wrong father to appeal to for advice ... there is a higher father that I appeal to".

The same sense of mission permeated his speech at the National Endowment of Democracy yesterday. Its main news was Mr Bush's claim that Western security services had thwarted 10 planned attacks by al-Qa'ida since 11 September 2001, three of them against mainland US.

More striking though was his unrelenting portrayal of radical Islam as a global menace, which only the forces of freedom - led by the US - could repel. It was delivered at a moment when Mr Bush's domestic approval ratings are at their lowest ebb, in large part because of the war in Iraq, in which 1,950 US troops have died, with no end in sight.

It came amid continuing violence on the ground, nine days before the critical referendum on the new constitution that offers perhaps the last chance of securing a unitary and democratic Iraq. "The militants believe that controlling one country will rally the Muslim masses, enabling them to overthrow all moderate governments in the region" and set up a radical empire stretching from Spain to Indonesia, he said.

The insurgents' aim was to "enslave whole nations and intimidate the world". He portrayed Islamic radicals as a single global movement, from the Middle East to Chechnya and Bali and the jungles of the Philippines.

He rejected claims that the US military presence in Iraq was fuelling terrorism: 11 September 2001 occurred long before American troops set foot in Iraq - and Russia's opposition to the invasion did not stop terrorists carrying out the Beslan atrocity in which 300 children died.

Mr Bush also accused Syria and Iran of supporting radical groups. They "have a long history of collaboration with terrorists and they deserve no patience". The US, he warned, "makes no distinction between those who commit acts of terror and those who support and harbour them because they're equally as guilty of murder".

"Wars are not won without sacrifice and this war will require more sacrifice, more time and more resolve," Mr Bush declared. But progress was being made in Iraq, and, he proclaimed: "We will keep our nerve and we will win that victory."

President George Bush has claimed he was told by God to invade Iraq and attack Osama bin Laden's stronghold of Afghanistan as part of a divine mission to bring peace to the Middle East, security for Israel, and a state for the Palestinians.

The President made the assertion during his first meeting with Palestinian leaders in June 2003, according to a BBC series which will be broadcast this month.

The revelation comes after Mr Bush launched an impassioned attack yesterday in Washington on Islamic militants, likening their ideology to that of Communism, and accusing them of seeking to "enslave whole nations" and set up a radical Islamic empire "that spans from Spain to Indonesia". In the programmeElusive Peace: Israel and the Arabs, which starts on Monday, the former Palestinian foreign minister Nabil Shaath says Mr Bush told him and Mahmoud Abbas, former prime minister and now Palestinian President: "I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan.' And I did, and then God would tell me, 'George go and end the tyranny in Iraq,' and I did."

And "now again", Mr Bush is quoted as telling the two, "I feel God's words coming to me: 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East.' And by God, I'm gonna do it."

Mr Abbas remembers how the US President told him he had a "moral and religious obligation" to act. The White House has refused to comment on what it terms a private conversation. But the BBC account is anything but implausible, given how throughout his presidency Mr Bush, a born-again Christian, has never hidden the importance of his faith.

From the outset he has couched the "global war on terror" in quasi-religious terms, as a struggle between good and evil. Al-Qa'ida terrorists are routinely described as evil-doers. For Mr Bush, the invasion of Iraq has always been part of the struggle against terrorism, and he appears to see himself as the executor of the divine will.

He told Bob Woodward - whose 2004 book, Plan of Attack, is the definitive account of the administration's road to war in Iraq - that after giving the order to invade in March 2003, he walked in the White House garden, praying "that our troops be safe, be protected by the Almighty". As he went into this critical period, he told Mr Woodward, "I was praying for strength to do the Lord's will.

"I'm surely not going to justify war based upon God. Understand that. Nevertheless, in my case, I pray that I will be as good a messenger of His will as possible. And then of course, I pray for forgiveness."
Another telling sign of Mr Bush's religion was his answer to Mr Woodward's question on whether he had asked his father - the former president who refused to launch a full-scale invasion of Iraq after driving Saddam Hussein from Kuwait in 1991 - for advice on what to do.

The current President replied that his earthly father was "the wrong father to appeal to for advice ... there is a higher father that I appeal to".

The same sense of mission permeated his speech at the National Endowment of Democracy yesterday. Its main news was Mr Bush's claim that Western security services had thwarted 10 planned attacks by al-Qa'ida since 11 September 2001, three of them against mainland US.

More striking though was his unrelenting portrayal of radical Islam as a global menace, which only the forces of freedom - led by the US - could repel. It was delivered at a moment when Mr Bush's domestic approval ratings are at their lowest ebb, in large part because of the war in Iraq, in which 1,950 US troops have died, with no end in sight.

It came amid continuing violence on the ground, nine days before the critical referendum on the new constitution that offers perhaps the last chance of securing a unitary and democratic Iraq. "The militants believe that controlling one country will rally the Muslim masses, enabling them to overthrow all moderate governments in the region" and set up a radical empire stretching from Spain to Indonesia, he said.

The insurgents' aim was to "enslave whole nations and intimidate the world". He portrayed Islamic radicals as a single global movement, from the Middle East to Chechnya and Bali and the jungles of the Philippines.

He rejected claims that the US military presence in Iraq was fuelling terrorism: 11 September 2001 occurred long before American troops set foot in Iraq - and Russia's opposition to the invasion did not stop terrorists carrying out the Beslan atrocity in which 300 children died.

Mr Bush also accused Syria and Iran of supporting radical groups. They "have a long history of collaboration with terrorists and they deserve no patience". The US, he warned, "makes no distinction between those who commit acts of terror and those who support and harbour them because they're equally as guilty of murder".

"Wars are not won without sacrifice and this war will require more sacrifice, more time and more resolve," Mr Bush declared. But progress was being made in Iraq, and, he proclaimed: "We will keep our nerve and we will win that victory."
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Daft sceptics!

Just combining the two topics into one.

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Submitted by *DUST* on 10 October, 2005 - 01:48

[b]Bush God comments 'not literal' [/b]

A Palestinian official who said the US president had claimed God told him to invade Iraq and Afghanistan says he did not take George Bush's words literally.

Nabil Shaath said he and other world leaders at a Jordan summit two years ago did not believe Mr Bush thought God had given him a personal message...

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