i was a coconut until 9/11 and then i was suddenly a paki

i am both

i am me

There is a difference.

Freshys are basically being who they are. They speak english funny, they wear leather jackets that they had since they were twelve, they smoke, they drive taxi. Thats it, they are just normal pakistanis who made it somehow into uk.

The coconut by my understanding is one who hides or is ashamed of who he is or where he comes from. If a person is a pakistani, he grew up in a white area, speaks english, cant really speak urdu, gets on with whites, has posh accent then he isnt in my opinion a coconut, he is being who he is and how he was brought up. The coconut is one who has a bit of culture in him, but tries to hide it and portray himself as someone he is not. Take me. I chat in a ghetto way, but can write quite well alhamdulillah at times. My writing is not me being a coconut because that can come naturally to me. My changing my SPEECH to make it more neutral or more BBC english or whatever is me trying to be a bit of a coconut and is something I refuse to do. THATS the differece.

Essentially, how I understand the issue, it is that the freshy is just a pakistani in uk who is being what he is, the coconut is being something OTHER than what he is.

in that case Med then i was not a coconut i was a bit colour blind thats all.

i never tried to be something that did not come naturally - thanks for clearing that up

"Med" wrote:

There is a difference.

Freshys are basically being who they are. They speak english funny, they wear leather jackets that they had since they were twelve, they smoke, they drive taxi. Thats it, they are just normal pakistanis who made it somehow into uk.

The coconut by my understanding is one who hides or is ashamed of who he is or where he comes from. If a person is a pakistani, he grew up in a white area, speaks english, cant really speak urdu, gets on with whites, has posh accent then he isnt in my opinion a coconut, he is being who he is and how he was brought up. The coconut is one who has a bit of culture in him, but tries to hide it and portray himself as someone he is not. Take me. I chat in a ghetto way, but can write quite well alhamdulillah at times. My writing is not me being a coconut because that can come naturally to me. My changing my SPEECH to make it more neutral or more BBC english or whatever is me trying to be a bit of a coconut and is something I refuse to do. THATS the differece.

Essentially, how I understand the issue, it is that the freshy is just a pakistani in uk who is being what he is, the coconut is being something OTHER than what he is.

so were not british? so if a pakistani dude is trying to integrate into society or just trying to break the class barriers.....hes ashamed of his roots?

Must he dress funny and speak funny?

dont buy it

no he doesnt have to speak funny. If you read my post hay-DUH I say if naturally he speaks in a posh way or naturally he gets on with whiteys(!) then thats ok. The issue is when he speaks normally like a paki but wants to act like a white boy so puts on a oh how ARE u ol' chap routine.

integration, funny clothes,? I dont see what that has to do anything. My point is if he normally chats like a paki, but affectates his speech to hide his pakiness then I think he is being a deceiver.

U not buying?

Funny I aint selling.

why you gotta speak like a paki tho?

why is it wrong to speak like a gora?

arent we british?? i want to wear a tailcoat and have a maid and a butler and eat crumpets and watch bowls!

i wudnt buy from a cavemen anyway! :o

look BRO!
U dont HAVE to spk like a paki, u shud spk how u naturally spk. Im saying that if u naturally spk like a paki then u shudnt hide it, similarly if u a paki and u naturally spk like a white boy then u shudnt hide it.

Im saying every1 should spk in their normal way without affectating speech. Point being those who try to hide their paki accents are being dirty coconuts which should be smashed over someones head on their wedding.

MMMM coconut.

Those who have paki accents cant hide them they are very different and obvious same applies to any accent, one can talk like another for only so much.

Coconuts are the kind of people who would go down the pub for a drink every other evening.

Also, they would find things wrong with Asian culture because 'that's not how white people do things.'

i dont like freshies

the freshies i know are my backards cousins frm Pakiland

we've hated one another since we were kids

they call us "coconuts" and I call them "smelly, greasy freshies"

some freshies are OK-my dads one-but he's integrated here well

and btw not all coconuts hate their culture

my uncle and all his mates are coconuts-cant speak urdu/hate asian food/love to make fun outta culture

but he donthate being a Paki

just to be diffrent....im stickin up for coconuts....not the pub ones, every1 has their own interpretation of a coconut (from now on reffered to as a coco)

whats this divide? is it wrong to speak like a gora?

dirty cocunuts? dare i say dirty freshies!

I spk like a paki and im proud.

I say Wed-nes-day not wensday, I say rushiya, not rusha (russia), I say roydal not rochdale. Long live my accent!

"Darth V-Hayder" wrote:

just to be diffrent....im stickin up for coconuts....not the pub ones, every1 has their own interpretation of a coconut (from now on reffered to as a coco)

whats this divide? is it wrong to speak like a gora?

dirty cocunuts? dare i say dirty freshies!

Preach on!

"Med" wrote:

I spk like a paki and im proud.

I say Wed-nes-day not wensday, I say rushiya, not rusha (russia), I say roydal not rochdale. Long live my accent!

oh jeezus.....

strange, you have a deep love for british history and its monarchs

a unique freshy....now thats sumat u dont see every day

"Darth V-Hayder" wrote:

strange, you have a deep love for british history and its monarchs

a unique freshy....now thats sumat u dont see every day

Lol. Yes I am a bit of a freak. Having said that, its not just british history, I like history in general. I like to see how empires and civilisations collapse, hoe battles were won and lost. At the mometn I m reading a book on how the Sahabah Karaam established the borders of Islam in Greater Syria. It was amazing, subhanALLAH.

The things you learn from history are amazing. Did you know that there were four/five battalions in that region, each headed by a leading Sahabi? That at a crucial stage the Muslims needed reinforcements and the troops that could provide assistance were within Sayyidina Khalid ibn Waleed in Iraq and that due to the urgency Sayyidina Khalid radhiyallahu anhu only left with about 650 men. And the route that He radhiyallahu anhu rook his lashkar was one that no military general or leader had ever done because he had to get the troops in postiion asap and the shortest way was through a part of the desert that was literally unpassable. So what He radhiyallahu anhu did is take the lashkar exactly that way, no army in history has gone through that zone. Subhanallah!

Sayyids genius was amazing aswell. They took camels and filled them with the water, even though there were no oasis in their pathway. When water ran out, Sayydina Khalid ordered that a small number of the camels be slaughtered for meat and more amazing for the water that they stored. SubhanALLAH. At one time he watered the camels so they were swift in traversing the harsh climate, made a store for the water, and provided meat for the army.

May ALLAH be Pleased with him.

But also other military geniuses (is it meant to be geniae?) were also present with Sahabah Karaam. ALLAH! May I be sacrificed on their Imaan. ameen.

Am I British, don't care.

Am I English, yes.

English before Indian? uh huh.

before Muslim, nope.

Coconut? gets stuck in my teeth.

"Dawud" wrote:

Am I British, don't care.

Am I English, yes.

English before Indian? uh huh.

before Muslim, nope.

Coconut? gets stuck in my teeth.

I agree

I too see myself as Muslim/British and THEN Paki

but I am fond of coconuts tho-but I can never cut the thing

i always make dad cut it

I refuse to use the word coconut, only coconuts use the word coconut. I am a pakistani, I call those type of ppl naaryal!

looooooooooool

Where are all those naaryals?

"Med" wrote:

I refuse to use the word coconut, only coconuts use the word coconut. I am a pakistani, I call those type of ppl naaryal!

looooooooooool

Where are all those naaryals?

u call coconuts "naaryal" what is the exact meanin of "naarya" btw its rude to use words that other ppl dont understand!

Naaryal is urdu for coconut.

lol

"angel" wrote:

u call coconuts "naaryal" what is the exact meanin of "naarya" btw its rude to use words that other ppl dont understand!

it is rude ur right

my freshie cousins do this a LOT to me and sis

thats why i hate them

im a muslim

im a coconut

im a freshie

now what?

its an issue made out of nothing

"Darth V-Hayder" wrote:

im a muslim

im a coconut

im a freshie

now what?

its an issue made out of nothing

Hey we are all coconuts and amongst us we have a greasy freshie, i say put him bak on the boat!

Was that nasty?

no....put me back on the boat!!!

jus redirect it to barbados....

loooooooooool.

Im so greasy that I just slip out of your hands.

Just let me alone and give me a taxi plate!

i already got a shop......i wanna be a freshy and take over....and sell mangoes....and fone cards!

i dont think any one of us here are coconuts the real coconuts and we all know some would never think of coming on such a site full packed with brown people!

as for freshies i feel sorry for them they have such a hard job leaving their beloved culture behind and slogging it here its as if they were forced to come here! and if its as bad here as they say it is then why do they proceed to bring the rest of their relations here - safety in numbers i guess

i think its time i locked this thread.

It was interesting.

But when we go into racial stereotyping its a long slippery slide downhill.