"irfghan" wrote:

It does.

But you don't like the answer.

Its not bout liking the answer or not. If a non-muslim tried it he/she could tell the difference of taste but since a muslim cannot do that, how would they actually eat it to see what the fuss was bout eatin sausages? I keep repeatin myself cuz you are not answering the actual question which is:

How can muslims eat halal sausages to see what the fuss is about when the contents used in the halal/haram sausages are completely different?

"angel" wrote:

"irfghan" wrote:

It does.

But you don't like the answer.

Its not bout liking the answer or not. If a non-muslim tried it he/she could tell the difference of taste but since a muslim cannot do that, how would they actually eat it to see what the fuss was bout eatin sausages? I keep repeatin myself cuz you are not answering the actual question which is:

How can muslims eat halal sausages to see what the fuss is about when the contents used in the halal/haram sausages are completely different?

If it [u]tastes[/u] the same or same enough then those Muslims who want to know what it is like to eat sausages can know.

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"yashmaki" wrote:

How important is it for you to consume halal meat:

Would you ask your butcher if the meat has been stunned, or would you take it for granted that it's halal because the sign says so?

If invited for dinner would you politely decline meat dishes saying you have a preference for the veg or fish dishes. Or would you eat the meat before you. (i've heard theres a ruling that you can eat meat in such situations so as not to offend your host...what do you know about that Med? Personally i'd tactfully decline saying id rather have the veg dish.but wht if theres no veg dish?).

If you realise there's no butcher that sells non stunned meat in your locality would you be willing to travel a few miles to stock up for meat, and go veg in the interim?

What about eating out, would you phone around and ask if the meat is stunned or would you just reserve a seat for you and your mates?

These are predicaments many muslims face, so please lets share views enough of the immitation beverages lol

Asalamualaikum!

If i hav 2 get meat then id personally go 2 an asian halal meat shop.

If i was invited 4 dinner im pretty sure whoeva invited me wuld no that im a Muslim as nwdayz most non Muslims no dat we only eat halal meat so that wnt b a prob.

If there wasnt any halal meat shop round i wuld travel 4 a few miles if i had 2 but if i culdnt as sumtimes we all hav lots of things 2 do n get busy, i wuldnt eat any meat.

About eating out?? i dnt like eating out n i neva hav coz if i wanted sumthin 4rm outside id order a take away delivery, saves time.

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"yashmaki" wrote:

. (i've heard theres a ruling that you can eat meat in such situations so as not to offend your host...what do you know about that Med? Personally i'd tactfully decline saying id rather have the veg dish.but wht if theres no veg dish?).

I am sorry I have no knowledge about that ruling. Normally I just eat the meat that is put before me and have faith that the food is halal. There have been cases where I would downright declline eg if the person worked in an offlicence. One real life example with me is pizza was bought from shia. I refused to eat it, didnt care about offending my hosts or otherwise because offending ALLAH is more concern to me. Generally I prefer vegetables and daal over meat dishes so noone would be too surprised if i said no to the meat.

"yashmaki" wrote:

I have to eat under my veil.

eating under a veil its really hard.. Ive tried it in college once after dat i culdnt just b bothered...so i dnt eat weneva i go 2 college since then apart 4rm that i hav my drink but wid a straw ..easier

well even if i didnt wear the veil i still wuldnt eat outside wereva u go its noisy, theres no peace apart 4rm sitting at hme nt having 2 bother bout ur privacy or others.

I also find eating out unconfortable if the place is mixed with men and women or if its s posh place. If its like a pakistani takeaway where only men go then I can sit back and relax and eat comfortably. I feel uneasy eating in busy places and also never eat by windows, I hate people watching me eat!

For Muhtarama Yashmaki I have two comments:

1. In major cities there are some good restaurants halal which have seating arrangements for pious women.
2. Does Muhtarama's husband come on this forum. If he does what is his name, I am interested in speaking with him.

"Medievalist" wrote:

One real life example with me is pizza was bought from shia. I refused to eat it, didnt care about offending my hosts or otherwise because offending ALLAH is more concern to me. Generally I prefer vegetables and daal over meat dishes so noone would be too surprised if i said no to the meat.

Is meat still halaal if it's from Shia butchers, eateries etc?

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Don't the posts come in quick and fast!!! I don't get much time on forums so I have kind of a delayed response time...so apologies if someone else has said something similar...

Reading throught the posts it seems like some people are way too far on the nit-picking scale than others. Islam is supposed to be a simple, easy to understand and follow religion, it was never complicated otherwise it wouldn't have the followers it has today.

There are simple rules to what Haram is and what Halal is. If anything conforms to this simple rule and you are sure it doesn't contain the haram product then why make it Haram? Why try to be a mufti?

In todays society people want to make money and if they think they can make a drink which doesn't contain a haram product but give it a similar name, so what? I guess a 'sausage' is automatically associated in the mind to haram because it never used to be a vegi, but now there's an alternative why not????? Whats immitation got to do with it?

If Someone is sitting at home having the intention to fill up the tummy with a different food then why not? if on the other hand they have intention to eat in an english restraunt and take a few vegi sausages over and wink at them and show the non-muslims they are like them then that's wrong!

So take the chill pill and don't make Islam complicated!

in Islam we can even eat Kosher meat

which is what the JEWS-commonly known to many of you as the "KUFAR" also eat

if it is permissible to eat their meat-I laugh at them people who have issues with eating what other Muslims (shia) present to them

"Admin" wrote:

"irfghan" wrote:

"Medievalist" wrote:

One real life example with me is pizza was bought from shia. I refused to eat it, didnt care about offending my hosts or otherwise because offending ALLAH is more concern to me. Generally I prefer vegetables and daal over meat dishes so noone would be too surprised if i said no to the meat.

Is meat still halaal if it's from Shia butchers, eateries etc?

They worship the same god.

They (should) have the same laws for slaughter.

I cannot see any problem.

Just as I thought.

But my mate has a prob with Shia take-aways. Though he does eat there 'reluctantly'. :roll:

Muhtarama Yashmaki. I have heard that there are restaurants in Birmingham that can cater for the veiled women, london probably aswell but I dont know about it. I am not sure on the details regarding the meat, music etc, but for sure they have curtained areas.

Eat meat from jews, eat meat from xians, eat meat from shia. What am I saying to you? nothing so leave me to leave he food of zindeeq people.

the way some people are eager to eat from kosher butchers and halal shia outlets you would think there is such a shortage of halal Ahlus Sunnah outlets that we will suffer health problems if we dont go to the shia or jews.

Subhanallah. How people run after what their hearts desire and leave aside the actions of taqwa.

Btw people. Here I mostly talk about options which are to do with the ruling of taqwa. After the 'hijab and jeans' thread you may not that I have not to the best of my ability done detailed shari answers, nor have I said halal haram etc. I just say what I think is best.

Before all fatawa were according to the dictates of taqwa, today unfortunately the mufti hazraat have to give one fatwa of technicality and if they particularly pious will provide alongside an advice of taqwa, rarely do we see the pure fatawa of taqwa on their own.

"Admin" wrote:

Going back a bit, but what is 'islamic food'?

when the arabs spread islam, did they bring the chicken biryani with them, and declare 'yo geezers; your food is kufar food. eat this wholesome food. It is islamic! and it tastes good too!'

Or did they just substitute the haraam materials for halaal ones?

did they replace haraam chicken with halaal chicken? haraam meat with halaal meat? or did they eat mana delivered in 15 mins from heaven?

Islamic food? Hmm... interesting. Maybe it is food that Muslims eat. :roll:

I thought biryani was South Asian not Arab. :?

I'd be surprised if the conquering Arabs didn't replace haraam food with halaal food. :shock:

But I doubt they came up with halaal alternatives to foods which were overwhelmingly pork-based.

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"Medievalist" wrote:

the way some people are eager to eat from kosher butchers and halal shia outlets you would think there is such a shortage of halal Ahlus Sunnah outlets that we will suffer health problems if we dont go to the shia or jews.

The (non-existent) kosher butcher down our ends is always rammed with apne. :roll:

Muhtarama Yashmaki has made a good post on the topic. I note that on a number of issues Muhtarama's views are similar to those understood by us but Muhtarama's explanations are given in such a way that she covers herself from attack by other readers; this is not an ability within me. I say it how I see it.

The ulama also write that those animals which are slaughtered at the shrines of saints, or those animals which are only slaughtered by people on specific saints death anniversaries, or those animals which are only slaughtered after the peer has blessed the knife; these animals become haraam. If this is the case with meat slaughtered by ignorant sunnis, what is the condition of that meat slaughtered by the imam-worshippers?

"Medievalist" wrote:

Muhtarama Yashmaki has made a good post on the topic. I note that on a number of issues Muhtarama's views are similar to those understood by us but Muhtarama's explanations are given in such a way that she covers herself from attack by other readers; this is not an ability within me. I say it how I see it.

yashmaki doesnt cuss, accuse, attack, insult, give a fatwa, condemn, be narrow minded, have tunnel vision, be intolerant like you are. That is the difference between the two of you.
You have almost similar views even though i disagree on alot of points, i have upmost respect for the sister because she also shows respect- unlike you who gives no respect and wants everyone to follow your opinion otherwise you accuse them of being influenced by secularism and not follower the earlier scholars!!!!!
you can learn alot from the sister. You dont say how it is, you like to give it, but cant take it.

V true

"TheRevivalEditor" wrote:

yashmaki doesnt [b]cuss, accuse, attack, insult[/b], give a fatwa, [b]condemn, be narrow minded[/b], have tunnel vision, be [b]intolerant[/b] like you are. That is the difference between the two of you.

You just did and have done what you just mentioned. Hypocricy at it finest...

WHOA

No disrespecting the Ed.

That's the first rule of Fight Club - err Revival.

The Eds a good guy, and he's no hypocrite

Take it to the hug thread.

"sweep" wrote:

"TheRevivalEditor" wrote:

yashmaki doesnt [b]cuss, accuse, attack, insult[/b], give a fatwa, [b]condemn, be narrow minded[/b], have tunnel vision, be [b]intolerant[/b] like you are. That is the difference between the two of you.

You just did and have done what you just mentioned. Hypocricy at it finest...

LOL
i was clarifying a fact and highlighting teh difference between the two. i wasnt cussing, attacking, insulting, condemning, being narrow minded or being intolerant by making that statement thank you very much. But if you want to call me a hypocrite, go ahead.

Yes you are wrong.

The taking of animals to shrines and specifically going there to slaughter the animal at that shrine makes the meat haraam, it is not made for ALLAH.

The imam-worshippers are the shia. They have elevated their mythical imams into gods beside ALLAH. The Ahl ul Bayt are free from them. This is nothing to do with almost insults. I openly say I insult the imam-worshippers. Where I want to insult someone I will say it openly, if I dont want to insult someone I wont. I dont have almost insults, either I want to insult them and will come out and say it, or I dont want to insult so will not. No halfway house with me exists called almost insult. If my writing comes out to seem like an almost insult I apologise for it but that is the way my hand falls. I openly say I will insult imam-worshippers.

Perhaps you havent got a copy of Hukumat al Islamiya of Khomeini, or a copy of Kulaini's book, or perhaps ''then is was guided''?

gosh ppl worship graves AND imams :shock: (imams is a new one!)