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Salaam,
I just have a few questions to ask and would be very grateful if anyone could help me with them. Firstly I would like to say that I have been reading the English translation of the Qur'an and I would definately recommend it. Most of us will probably never learn arabic so the least we can do is read the translation.
1) Why does Jesus (pbuh) refer to God as "father" in the Bible?
2) Regarding 2 women witnesses in the Qur'an, I read it and it says there should be 2 women, in case one is in error, I was told that it was just in case one woman was having menstrual problems/pain whatever u wanna call it? Is this the reasion why?
3) The one which intrigues me most is why does a woman only get a quarter of inheritance and the male gets half? Im assuming it has something to do with the responsibility of the male to organise the funeral etc.???
Please don't think I am doubting the Qur'an, astaghfirullah, that I would never do. What I do know is that there is always a logical reason behind every statement in the Qur'an.
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[quote="naj"]
jazzy leave LILSIS 2 it i think shes abit confused.
w/s[/quote]
Oooh... get her!
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where da popcorn at? ๐
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[quote="Admin"]Ahlul biddah means family of innpvation. Or people of innovation.
He always rants about it.
Now lets wait for him to explain who they are.
I'll ask paxman style...[/quote]
right on Admin...im sick to death of Med accusing most peopel here of Bidah. So Grand Mufti Med, who thinks hes better than most here...who are these ppl of Bidah?
You are so intolerant...anyone who you disagree with you accuse them as ppl of bidah... how sad and childish. You're supposed to be a student of Islam...
ask your scholars of Deoband...the 40 days 'gasht' that tablighi jamaat do isnt that bidah? did the prophet ๏ทบ do it? did the sahabah do it? if not then it makes deobandis and Tablighi Jamaat which you admire so much ... as people of bidah!
so before you accuse ppl of things...learn some adab, learn that there is difference of opinion in this deen, you should be more tolerant and stop being soooo quick to throw out accusations!
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[quote="TheRevivalEditor"]
so before you accuse ppl of things...learn some adab, learn that there is difference of opinion in this deen, you should be more tolerant and stop being soooo quick to throw out accusations![/quote]
no not right to say the above to med only but everyone AS i see everyone accuses including YOURSELF so learn from own advice to :twisted:
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There's another forum i used to frequent quite a bit, they use live scholars to answer questions sometimes. Anyways one of the members said he had the oppportunity of meeting Shaykh hamza Yusuf and he did ask about his beard length. The shaykh actually said ppl presume he's cutting his beard off, but in actual fact his hair doesn't grow much. So we shouldn't think the worst of someone with a short beard, before we know what's true.
If Abdul Basit claims his hair doesn't grow much we should accept it as the truth and not speculate.
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[quote="TheRevivalEditor"][quote="Admin"]Ahlul biddah means family of innpvation. Or people of innovation.
He always rants about it.
Now lets wait for him to explain who they are.
I'll ask paxman style...[/quote]
right on Admin...im sick to death of Med accusing most peopel here of Bidah. So Grand Mufti Med, who thinks hes better than most here...who are these ppl of Bidah?
You are so intolerant...anyone who you disagree with you accuse them as ppl of bidah... how sad and childish. You're supposed to be a student of Islam...
ask your scholars of Deoband...the 40 days 'gasht' that tablighi jamaat do isnt that bidah? did the prophet ๏ทบ do it? did the sahabah do it? if not then it makes deobandis and Tablighi Jamaat which you admire so much ... as people of bidah!
so before you accuse ppl of things...learn some adab, learn that there is difference of opinion in this deen, you should be more tolerant and stop being soooo quick to throw out accusations![/quote]
Your right Mods-You tell em how it is
way too much name calling and sectarian crap is being sprouted here cos of the newcomers-
if u disagree with them ur from the "people of biddah"
if u disagree with their scholar "ur arrogant"
the standard of this forum is dropping big time
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[quote="MuslimSisLilSis"]
way too much name calling and sectarian crap is being sprouted here cos of the newcomers-
if u disagree with them ur from the "people of biddah"
if u disagree with their scholar "ur arrogant"
the standard of this forum is dropping big time[/quote]
i agree sis
iv not been online in a long while+come back and this iz wat i see!!! jeez ppl....get a grip!
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One thing i've noticed here lately a lot of name dropping. One side calling another ppl of bidah. Another side saying you are deobandis, tableeghis or extremists.
Neither of you are better than the next. It really sickens me this forum has become like those mosques which don't welcome you unless you affiliate to their set of beliefs nevermind that you're a muslim. You've become obsessed with sects, you're losing scope of the bigger picture.
There's room for differences in Islam on certain issues. If you decide on path A and path B is also a valid option, you can take either as long as you can explain "why" to Allah. If i take path A i can't assume all those taking path B are ppl of bidah, especially if the shariah permits it.
My husband attends a deobandi mosque. Most of his friends do aswell. So do my brothers. But they have friends who go to mosques following other beliefs, and do often pray in these mosques aswell. So i don't know where you're getting your ideas on deobandis from because the ones i know are very tolerant, generous, charitable and devote their lives to their religion.
I've not said nothing about ppl of bidah or other sects so why do i feel like i'm being attacked here?
Bottom line about belly piercing the sister should contact ulema she normally follows and get their opinion. Opinions of ppl here don't really matter. I could be following one school of thght which doesn't permit it you could be on an entirely different one so why ask us. Matters like this should be taken to those more in the know. They will never answer you in an abusive tone, and they will never mock the positions other schools of thght take. They are humble god fearing ppl, unlike us.
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[quote="yashmaki"]My husband attends a deobandi mosque. Most of his friends do aswell. So do my brothers. But they have friends who go to mosques following other beliefs, and do often pray in these mosques aswell. So i don't know where you're getting your ideas on deobandis from because the ones i know are very tolerant, generous, charitable and devote their lives to their religion.
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SUBHANALLAH. ๐
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Well said Yashmaki.
I think we drew a line here.
ground rule (until I get bored...)
ANy post calling or referring to ahlul bid'ah will be deleted no matterhow relevant the rest of it is.
And LilSis if you just shout 'extremist!' We will take it as the girl who cried wolf. So I will also delete it.
Everyone needs to learn some respect. (inc Ed.)
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[quote="Admin"]
Everyone needs to learn some respect. (inc Ed.)[/quote]
Will Ed's posts be deleted?
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why not?
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[quote="Admin"]why not?[/quote]
If you edit Ed's posts won't that count as treason?
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[quote="irfghan"][quote="Admin"]why not?[/quote]
If you edit Ed's posts won't that count as treason?[/quote]
Not if I am in charge.
There is no 'Ed. He is a figment of your imagination...
:twisted:
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Whatever...
You know you'll get the boot.
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Then as any true paki I will start my own organisation, and call it something really similar, which will just criticise The Revival.
I think I'll call it Teh Revival. The Motto: To revive The Revival!
:twisted:
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[quote="irfghan"][quote="Admin"]
Everyone needs to learn some respect. (inc Ed.)[/quote]
Will Ed's posts be deleted?[/quote]
deleted because.... ???
unlike Med i dont accuse anyone of ahlul biddah...or of shirk, kufr etc
i said before he accuses others, he should look at his own group
i hav enothing against deovbandis, brelwis, salfis...they are my fellow muslims.. i know there are differences..and there is nothing wrong with that.
i have a problem with ppl like Med who is quick to accuse others...
i havent accused anyone of anything...just tried to correct Med when he labels fellow Muslims as x, y, z..
i have very good deobandi friends, i look up to several deobandi scholars, several ppl are part of The Revival team....its just ppl and mentality of the likes of Med that put me off!
I dont put ppl down because of their beliefs, i discuss the evidence... then agree or disagree..i only lose my rag abit when the likes of Med get the fatwa machine out!
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i do not understand these sub-sects why do we have them , i was thought to believe there are 4 correct fiqhs of islam i follow the hanafi fiqh
why do people follow these other sub-sect that are all origionated in the indian-sub continant and are influence by imams who add there own extras which some regard as shirk and biddah
surely these sub-sects just create tension, name calling and division
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[quote="Raf786"]
why do people follow these other sub-sect that are all origionated in the indian-sub continant and are influence by imams who add there own extras which some regard as shirk and biddah
surely these sub-sects just create tension, name calling and division[/quote]
Salafis, Shias, Druze, Ismailis, Ibadis, to name but a few, don't come from the Subcontinent.
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your point being
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[quote="Raf786"]your point being[/quote]
You said, 'why do people follow these other sub-sect that are all origionated in the indian-sub continant'.
That's just wrong.
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[quote="Raf786"]i do not understand these sub-sects why do we have them , i was thought to believe there are 4 correct fiqhs of islam i follow the hanafi fiqh
why do people follow these other sub-sect that are all origionated in the indian-sub continant and are influence by imams who add there own extras which some regard as shirk and biddah
surely these sub-sects just create tension, name calling and division[/quote]
The schools are not sects. They are schools of jurisprudence.
The subsects arose when people had a difference of opinion. Each community preached their own interpretation.
When people ignore the qur'an and sunnah, that does lead to problems. However alot of thigs now classified as biddah (and even shirk) do have their roots in the sunnah. Just because they are practised by a group, the actions are maligned.
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[quote="irfghan"][quote="Raf786"]your point being[/quote]
You said, 'why do people follow these other sub-sect that are all origionated in the indian-sub continant'.
That's just wrong.[/quote]
ok irffy
why do people follow these other sub-sects that are all origionated in the indian sub-continent and other parts of the world
hope your happy now :?
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Islam allows a difference of opinion.
These 'subsects' are just alliances of people with the same oinion.
True a difference should not mean just splitting out and making a subsect.
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[quote="Raf786"]
why do people follow these other sub-sects that are all origionated in the indian sub-continent and other parts of the world
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Sects are to be expected.
The Prophet ๏ทบ told us there would be sects.
Diff people in diff nations, cultures apply/interpret Islam differently.
As the differences become established and perculiar to one group of people then you get sects emerging.
But the biggest probs come when people condemn people who don't follow Islam the way that they do.
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who agrees these schools create
division
tension
misuderstanding
unpracticality
Islam should be a practical religion that unites everyone , with a clear message , surely it is unpractical having different many different sub-sects each with difference that create anger and tension between them and division in islam why not stick with the 4 origional fiqhs
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[quote="Raf786"]
Islam should be a practical religion that unites everyone , with a clear message , surely it is unpractical having different many different sub-sects each with difference that create anger and tension between them and division in islam why not stick with the 4 origional fiqhs[/quote]
If it was that easy then there would be no problem.
Hate, division, tension come about becuase of people's jealousies and big-headedness.
It is the dividers we should be careful of.
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division is a blessing.
Its when ignorant fools get involved that all hell breaks loose.
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come 2 da chill out zone 2 chill out ๐
[quote="angel"]
Personally i dont think there is any reason why it should be forbidden unless its to do with the belly button getin infected but wudnt the same apply to ears, nose etc?
Having said that i wud never get it done, i cud imagine it to be sore![/quote]
Same here...
I think it looks very pretty, but I've heard this piercing takes the longest to heal...
And I'm allergic to pain.