Panorama Special: A Question Of Leadership

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In this Sunday's Panorama Special, John Ware examines questions raised by senior members of the Muslim community themselves: Questions about the direction and role of the Muslim Council of Britain and the influences on the leadership of the organisation and its affiliates.

After 7/7 the Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police said the Muslim community in Britain is "fairly close to denial about the extent of extremism in its midst."

Several prominent Muslims explain to Panorama why they believe the MCB is unlikely to meet this challenge at the moment. Indeed one of the founding members of the MCB tells us that "It is my personal belief... that they are in a state of denial."

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Britain’s most powerful Islamic body yesterday hit back at a documentary accusing it of being “in denial” about sectarianism within the religion’s communities, branding the programme a “witch hunt” against UK Muslims.

Tonight’s Panorama suggests the Muslim Council of Britain (MCB) should provide a stronger lead and that groups affiliated to it are peddling hard-line views.

But MCB secretary general Sir Iqbal Sacranie said the programme was “deeply unfair” and was “purposefully trying to sabotage” Muslims’ progress in mainstream politics.

“It is unfortunate that just when Britain’s 1.6 million Muslims are beginning to make progress in terms of their political participation in the mainstream, there are those who are trying to sabotage that process.

“It seems that to qualify as so-called ‘moderates’, Muslims are required to remain silent about Israeli crimes in Palestine, otherwise they are automatically labelled ‘extremists’.

“The MCB urges British Muslims to remain calm and vigilant in the face of recent concerted attempts being made by known hostile elements to divide them.”

The MCB has written to BBC director general Mark Thompson stating the documentary has a “pro-Israeli agenda”.

Sacranie said there was a diversity of opinion and the MCB was not responsible for what some people preached.

Panorama presenter John Ware said he was not in any way suggesting the MCB was “in bed” with violent Islamists. However, he said: “I think [the MCB] is in denial about the extent that sectarianism can fuel, taken to its logical conclusions, violent Islamism.”

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Hmm, interesting programme. Not as bad as the MCB had made with their Zionist infiltration of the BBC claim.

What was most interesting, and IMO what gave it a bit of redemption, was the bit at the end with the 'young Muslims'. I wonder why they didn't show more about these younger Muslim 'leaders' during the rest of the programme.

Was this documentary trying to discredit the older Muslim leaders in favour of younger ones?

Plus, all this recent filming of London Muslims has made me want to live in London. London Muslims seem so active and culturally diverse, it's brilliant. Anyone been to this 'City Circle', whatever it is?

salaam

just watched the programme...

what can i say....

it was obvious the programme makers were trying to get the message across that Islam and most Muslims support terrorism, are intolerent of other beliefs and basically hate the west, hate secularism....and I think to a certain extent they got what they wanted.

The MCB, MAB and Islamic Foundation responded poorly to the questions...

This programme will create negative and even Islamophobic reactions by many non muslims in the UK.

None of the 'Muslim leaders' really reperesented the voice of the Muslim youth.

What Panorama wanted to tell the viewers was islam is really a personal thing, it shouldnt be made political. Issues of 'ummah', 'secularism', 'kuffar', 'shariah law' etc were taken out of context and perceived as negative, radical, evil and intolerent beliefs/views.

Gayasudin Siddique and the chap from Oxford...probably got paid well by panorama..as they said exactly what they wanted to hear.

I dont think most people feel they are represented by the MCB anyway- but i dont think this was just an attack on MCB but an attack on Muslim beliefs, practises, image of Islam and Muslims.

Another important point to note is that Panoramo is trying to say that MCB who are supposed to be 'moderates' and the voice of the Muslims in the Uk are actually 'fundamentalists', 'islamists', radical, intolerant of other beliefs, support suicide bombings in Israel, have links with other radical groups and organisations in the UK and abroad. In other words if MCB moderates are like this then what about the rest of teh Muslim leaders and groups in the UK.
If I was a non Muslim watching the programme I would be uncomfortable and even scared of Islam and Muslims.

Wassallaam

 

Well to most nonmuslims the views of even 'moderate' muslims are extreme.

If Islamic views were acceptable to them, they would have accepted them and become muslim!

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

Just heard part of an interview with the reporter behind the report, and the bit that struck me was when he said:

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We are journalists, we have no agenda...

All journalists have an agenda.

Wether they 'have been infiltrated by zionists' as claimed by MCB is a different thing altogether.

I think the producers were probably biased, and selective editing can easily make a camera lie.

(I'll have to wait til the Beeb broadcasts the full thing again (should be available online through their site soon) before I can judge though...)

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

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First words in the programme:

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Unidentified speaker: It's a great honour to kill these people¿ Islam not a religion of just you speaking we got to people of action.

John Ware: Two British Muslims prepare to go on a suicide mission. They're sent on their way to the strains of a song hailing them as heroes fighting for the homeland.

But it wasn't their homeland. Their target was a seaside bar in the Israeli city of Tel Aviv.

3 civilians were killed and more than 50 injured.

The British bombers' sole connection with Palestine was that they were Muslim.

Yet they were prepared to kill civilians for their Palestinian brothers overseas. Then came London: again the bombers were British born Muslims.

Again their target was civilians - but this time it was their fellow citizens.

hmmm... good start to an 'unbiased' report I must say...

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

Salam

The Guardian newspaper had the following to say about the Panorama program:

Omrow

p.s. this is the Telegraph's article:

Muslim chiefs do not vet groups for extremism

By Amy Iggulden
Telegraph 22/08/2005

The most powerful Islamic body in Britain admitted yesterday that it had failed to carry out even basic checks for extremism among its affiliated groups.
The Muslim Council of Britain, which represents more than 400 organisations across the country, said it "assumed" that potential members were moderates and therefore did not investigate their literature or views.
It was responding to reports in a BBC Panorama programme broadcast last night that affiliated members had aired extremist views.
A council spokesman attacked the programme as "manifestly dishonest" in its editing and accused the reporter of pursuing a "vicious vendetta" against Muslims.
Ahl-e-Hadith, a Birmingham-based affiliated group with 41 branches across the country, has an article on its website telling followers to "be different from Jews and Christians" whose "ways are based on sick or deviant views".
Inayat Bunglawala, a spokesman for the council, told The Daily Telegraph that affiliates were not asked if they had renounced extremism. Neither their membership nor literature was investigated.
However, there is no suggestion that the council is not genuine in its condemnation of extremism and terrorism.
"We do not have time to check the websites of every organisation," Mr Bunglawala said. "As long as they sign a statement saying they agree to abide by the constitution and pay the £25, they are free to join. We can't control what our affiliates say; we are not a policing organisation."
Panorama suggested that the council was "in denial" about sectarianism in the Muslim community.
The programme, called A Question of Leadership, also raised questions about another affiliated group, the Islamic Foundation, based in Leicester. It was said to promote the books of Sayid Maududi, the founder of the political movement Jamaa'at Islami and whose ideal state would have "no trace of western democracy".
But Sir Iqbal Sacranie, the council's secretary general, told the programme that Maududi was "an important scholar". He said: "Institutions like the Islamic Foundation are playing a very important role and we are proud to have them as our affiliates."
Fears were also raised by the comments of Dr Azzam Tamimi, of the Muslim Association of Britain, a major affiliate of the council. He told the programme, in a personal capacity, that the concept of martydom "has to be glorified".
Mr Bunglawala, who has been appointed by the Home Office as a campaigner against extremism, wrote to the BBC to complain of a "pro-Israeli" bias to the documentary and yesterday accused John Ware, the reporter, of pursuing a "vicious vendetta" against the nation's Muslims. He said that quotes had been shortened to manipulate meaning.
"The programme is deeply unfair. It tries to portray the scholars we admire as loonies."
Ware responded to the allegations on BBC radio yesterday, saying: "Before even the council had seen the transcript their attack on it was blindly defensive. Our only purpose is to further a debate which many Muslims think is long overdue."
Miss Rime Allaf, a fellow in the Middle East programme at the Royal Institute of International Affairs, said: "It is not helpful for our understanding of suicide bombers to simplistically dissect a community and its links."
The BBC said: "We reject any allegation of personal, programme or institutional bias and are confident that the programme is a timely contribution to the debate in Muslim communities."

poor MCB their words got twisted around

i agreed with the MAB guy though-that guy stuck to his guns

programme focused on wahabi teahings only-ones who claim that u "shouldnt imitate the kufar, shouldt be friends with the kufar, kufar are going to hell" etc etc

buts it is tru that I dont see MCB as my leaders and they shouldnt speak on behalf of everyone

"MuslimSisLilSis" wrote:
poor MCB their words got twisted around

i agreed with the MAB guy though-that guy stuck to his guns

programme focused on wahabi teahings only-ones who claim that u "shouldnt imitate the kufar, shouldt be friends with the kufar, kufar are going to hell" etc etc

buts it is tru that I dont see MCB as my leaders and they shouldnt speak on behalf of everyone

MAB guy was poor!!!!!! comes on telly and says to carry out suicide attacks in israel is good and is allowed in islam and most muslims believe that!!!!!! I dont think so..... what do you expect the media, non Muslim sto think about Islam and Muslims?

I was shocked with what Shaykh Sudays was suppose to have said, his comments , quotes were a shocker....and Abdul Bari from East London Mosque, MCB chap was awful, english was probably his 5th language!
Why do you come on TV if you cant speak English :evil:
Even the founder of Islamic Foundation had very poor english, havent these guys heard of media training Biggrin

At th eend of the day it wasnt MCB that was targetted or attacked but Islam and the Muslims!

 

"TheRevivalEditor" wrote:

MAB guy was poor!!!!!! comes on telly and says to carry out suicide attacks in israel is good and is allowed in islam and most muslims believe that!!!!!! I dont think so..... what do you expect the media, non Muslim sto think about Islam and Muslims?
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he never said "its good"

he goes that Israel suicide bombing is "different" to bombings such as the London/Madrid ones etc

it shouldnt be taken out of context-the people there are opressed

so different rules apply

the stupid presenter was twisting his words around

but he shouldnt have said that "most Muslims believe that"

I'm sick of every Muslim on TV speaking on behlaf of everyone

"MuslimSisLilSis" wrote:
"TheRevivalEditor" wrote:

MAB guy was poor!!!!!! comes on telly and says to carry out suicide attacks in israel is good and is allowed in islam and most muslims believe that!!!!!! I dont think so..... what do you expect the media, non Muslim sto think about Islam and Muslims?
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he never said "its good"

he goes that Israel suicide bombing is "different" to bombings such as the London/Madrid ones etc

it shouldnt be taken out of context-the people there are opressed

so different rules apply

the stupid presenter was twisting his words around

but he shouldnt have said that "most Muslims believe that"

I'm sick of every Muslim on TV speaking on behlaf of everyone

all he should have said was that i can understand why they carry out the attacks, they feel they have no other choice. Even though they are fighting occupation and oppression they should still not target civilians. How hard is that to say!!!! Islam does not allow you to kill civilians even in war!

Muslim spokesmen on TV at the moment either are poor in English or get too emotional and say inaccurate or damaging statements which affect the whole Muslim community.

 

Ed: the Palestine situation IS different.

Your stance is too political.

There comes a point where your opponents will disagree with you. At that stage it is better to take a deep breath and accept it instead of spinning.

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

Salaam

That programme was extremely critical of Islam…that presenter was so full on….

What exactly was his problem? He had an issue with the Hijaab saying it makes “Muslim woman stand out and be excluded from society”

Here in multi-cultural London everyone looks different…so what?

You have the Goths/punks with their black make up and piercing….you have the Afro-Caribbean ladies who wear their traditional dress…the guys have long thick dreadlocks….there’s some Jewish communities here in which you’d see the men wearing traditional Jewish attire-once again so what?

Everyone likes to express their own individuality via their dress …some are influenced by their religion, others by their culture….

He was out to get Islam…he attacked the guy from MCB for not attending the holocaust memorial service….

The programme once again focussed on the rigid, more conservative understanding of Islam…

Hundreds of Mosques are affiliated with MCB but not all of them perceive non Muslims as the “enemy”…

The organisations responded very poorly to the presenter’s questions.

It’s also interesting to note that if one doesn’t totally condemn something they are perceived as being its “supporter”….just cos the MAB guy wasn’t totally condoning what’s going on in Israel…the presenter was saying that he’s “glorifying terrorism”….that was a totally incorrect accusation….the Israel issue is NOT a black and white issue…its wrong to take it out of context.

A disappointing programme, but as seen in the BBC website it has received many complaints already.

Waslaam

Strong detailed rebuttal by MCB.

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We have spoken with one of Ware’s key interviewees, Mehboob Kantharia who is shown at the outset of the programme as implying that the MCB leadership are in a ‘state of denial’ about extremism. Kantharia has informed us that his remarks on the matter did not mention the MCB at all and were not referring to the MCB. Yet Ware’s programme presents the comments as such.

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The idea that Sufis only follow a ‘personal and spiritual’ Islam is another common misconception and shows insufficient research on Ware’s part. Muslims who follow the ‘sufi way’ as well as others are both in the same Muttahida Majlis Amal (MMA) coalition party as the Jamaat-i-Islami in Pakistan. This is the same Jamaat-i-Islami that Ware attempts to portray as extremists. The primary anti-colonial jihadist movements of the 19th century were all sufi-inspired. For example, Imam Shamil in Daghestan belonged to the famous Naqshbandi order, Umar al-Mukhtar in Libya to the Sanusi order, Amir Abdul Qadir in Algeria to the Qadiri order and so on.

Furthermore, Ware's presumption that we live in a truly secular society/world is quite flawed. Take George Bush. His conception of Christianity very obviously informs his political beliefs and actions. But it's not just the United States. At least three members of the UK Cabinet are committed Christians. There are members of the Christian clergy in the House of Lords and Britain has an established Church. Christian values and teachings have been a major influence behind the Welfare state, the NHS, etc.

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One voice who is quoted approvingly is Dr Ghayasuddin Siddiqui who is described as the ‘Director of the Muslim Institute’. We are told that ‘a decade ago he believed Islam and politics should be fused. Now he thinks the only way Muslims will join the mainstream is if that link is broken.’ Why does John Ware not inform his viewers that Dr Siddiqui is also the head of the ‘Muslim Parliament’? Could it be that this was omitted because it would have undermined his argument about Islam and politics not being ‘fused’?

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We have spoken with Dr Taj Hargey to obtain clarification about his exact words and he denies saying to the Panorama team that the Jilbab is not mentioned in the Qur’an. He says that he was referring to the Niqab (face-covering).

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The programme looks at the influence of the Jamaat-i-Islami party in Pakistan on the Islamic Foundation and senior figures in the Muslim Council of Britain. Quotations are shown in the programme from the writings of Mawlana Mawdudi – the founder of the Jamaat-i-Islami party, presumably to show how they reflect on British Muslim organisations that regard him as an important Islamic thinker. At one point, a quotation of Mawdudi is shown as saying that an Islamic state – which his party campaigns for - bears:

“…a kind of resemblance to the fascist and communist states…”

It is well known that it is possible through mischievous editing to choose carefully selected lines from the writings of just about any author which will then make it appear to suggest he is saying the polar opposite of his actual words. This task is made all the more easier if viewers are shown the writings of a foreign author who was writing in a rather different time and place. What is less well known is that programmes such as the BBC’s Panorama indulge in this kind of manifestly dishonest practice. Compare the above quotation that Ware provides his viewers with the actual full quotation from Mawdudi’s book, Islamic Law and Constitution:

“Considered from this aspect the Islamic State bears a kind of resemblance to the Fascist and Communist states. But you will find later on that, despite its all-inclusiveness, it is something vastly and basically different from the totalitarian and authoritarian states. Individual liberty is not suppressed under it nor is there any trace of dictatorship in it. It presents the middle course and embodies the best that the human society has ever evolved.” (Islamic Law and Constitution, Chapter on The Political Theory of Islam, 9th edition, Lahore, 1986, p146)

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Ware makes a big fuss of Sir Iqbal Sacranie having attended a memorial meeting for Shaykh Ahmad Yasin and asks Sir Iqbal: “You did not have to go to that memorial service in the central mosque…you could have chosen not to go.” Would Ware make a similar fuss about British Jewish leaders who have repeatedly met the Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon who was found by Israel’s own Kahane commission of being ‘indirectly responsible’ for the massacre of over two thousand Palestinians in the Sabra and Shatila camps? Somehow, we doubt it.

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What do you think?

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

"MuslimSister" wrote:
You have the Goths/punks with their black make up and piercing….you have the Afro-Caribbean ladies who wear their traditional dress…the guys have long thick dreadlocks….there’s some Jewish communities here in which you’d see the men wearing traditional Jewish attire-once again so what?

None of those things really threaten contemporary western culture though. They don't like muslim women covering up because the act itself is openly questioning the place of sex in society. Whereas a Sikh wearing a turban doesn't really symbolise anything other than Sikhism.

"MuslimSister" wrote:
It’s also interesting to note that if one doesn’t totally condemn something they are perceived as being its “supporter”….just cos the MAB guy wasn’t totally condoning what’s going on in Israel…the presenter was saying that he’s “glorifying terrorism”….that was a totally incorrect accusation….the Israel issue is NOT a black and white issue…its wrong to take it out of context.

To be fair even the non-militant salafis in Britain condemn terrorism in Israel. If they can do it why can't the MCB do it.

I also wouldn't be fooled by Azzam Tamimi's chest beating in the show. He's a Palestinian nationalist fanatic not a religious fanatic. He condones suicide bombing against Israelis but he also wants to uncritically accept western notions of democracy and global governance.

"salaf" wrote:

To be fair even the non-militant salafis in Britain condemn terrorism in Israel. If they can do it why can't the MCB do it.

I also wouldn't be fooled by Azzam Tamimi's chest beating in the show. He's a Palestinian nationalist fanatic not a religious fanatic. He condones suicide bombing against Israelis but he also wants to uncritically accept western notions of democracy and global governance.

I understand where you're coming from. But he wasnt "glorifying terrorism" as the presenter was suggesting.

He was merely stating that its "different" to what happened in London/Madrid.

"Omrow" wrote:
Salam

"Admin" wrote:
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What do you think?

Very biased and pro Muslim.

Omrow


salaam
why is it biased? Its a personal view...and come on...which Muslim did not find the programme misleading, bias, anti-Muslim.
Omrow did you want me to be anti-Muslim as you didnt like it to be pro-Muslim?! :o
wasalaam

 

porgramme only foused on the ridgid/conservative side of Islam

presenter mostly interviewd them people who couldnt speak english properly

presnter was anti-Islam as shown with the issue he had with hijaab

presenter only focused on SOME mosques that are affliated with MCB-

presenter made out that the "hate the Kafir" mentality is shared by all

"MuslimSisLilSis" wrote:
porgramme only foused on the ridgid/conservative side of Islam

presenter mostly interviewd them people who couldnt speak english properly

presnter was anti-Islam as shown with the issue he had with hijaab

presenter only focused on SOME mosques that are affliated with MCB-

presenter made out that the "hate the Kafir" mentality is shared by all

i touched on most of them, my responce was a brief responce not a lengthy one, but a couple of your points are valid too.

wasalaam

 

Assallamu Allaikum

[b]To date the BBC have received only 250 complaints about Panorama:[/b] A question of leadership documentary. Their response is the following unconvincing justification for what was without a doubt an attempt at misrepresenting the MCB and demonsing the entire Muslim community. We ask all brothers and sisters to keep up the pressure to the BBC, especially insist they respond to the MCB's detailed reply which highlights facts like:

Dr Ghayasuddin Siddiqui is described as the ‘Director of the Muslim Institute’. We are told that ‘a decade ago he believed Islam and politics should be fused. Now he thinks the only way Muslims will join the mainstream is if that link is broken.’ Why does John Ware not inform his viewers that Dr Siddiqui is also the head of the ‘Muslim Parliament’? Could it be that this was omitted because it would have undermined his argument about Islam and politics not being ‘fused’?

The MCB have spoken with Mehboob Kantharia who denies that he was referring to the MCB when he was talking about ‘a state of denial’ about extremism. We hope the Panorama team will explain the truth about this matter.

MCB have spoken with Dr Hargey to obtain clarification about his exact words and he denies saying to the Panorama team that the Jilbab is not mentioned in the Qur’an. He says that he was referring to the Niqab (face-covering).
Everyone should continue to email/call the BBC to complain about the biased, pro-Israeli Panorama program that was aired on Sunday 21.08.05.

Phone: 08700 100222

Email a complaint:

and cc to

wasalaam

 

Salam

"TheRevivalEditor" wrote:
which Muslim did not find the programme misleading, bias, anti-Muslim.
Omrow did you want me to be anti-Muslim as you didnt like it to be pro-Muslim?

I didn't find it anti-muslim.

And no, I dont want you to be anti-muslim.

You dont have to be either anti-muslim or pro-muslim.

Did you know that there is a position between the two ?

The common people know it as NEUTRAL.

The upper classes tend to refer to it as:

Unbigoted, unbiased, impartial, unjaundiced, just, fair, objective, disinterested, fair-minded, non-partisan, open-minded, undogmatic, dispassionate, uncoloured, detached, even-handed, impersonal, spock-like, unaligned, unaffiliated and so on.

Omrow

"Omrow" wrote:

The upper classes tend to refer to it as:

Unbigoted, unbiased, impartial, unjaundiced, just, fair, objective, disinterested, fair-minded, non-partisan, open-minded, undogmatic, dispassionate, uncoloured, detached, even-handed, impersonal, spock-like, unaligned, unaffiliated and so on.

No Omrow. Not the upper classes, but rather the thesauri.

"Omrow" wrote:
Salam

"TheRevivalEditor" wrote:
which Muslim did not find the programme misleading, bias, anti-Muslim.
Omrow did you want me to be anti-Muslim as you didnt like it to be pro-Muslim?

I didn't find it anti-muslim.

And no, I dont want you to be anti-muslim.

You dont have to be either anti-muslim or pro-muslim.

Did you know that there is a position between the two ?

The common people know it as NEUTRAL.

The upper classes tend to refer to it as:

Unbigoted, unbiased, impartial, unjaundiced, just, fair, objective, disinterested, fair-minded, non-partisan, open-minded, undogmatic, dispassionate, uncoloured, detached, even-handed, impersonal, spock-like, unaligned, unaffiliated and so on.

Omrow

you're a funny guy. i was honest, open and fair. if i wasnt i wouldnt say that MAB, MCB, Islamic foundation spokesmen gav epoor answers. If i was bias i wouldnt say that Guiyassudin Siddique an dthe Oxford chap probably got a back hander to say what they did. I was constructive. At teh same time i felt the programme was bias, did try to do its best to damamge MCB, so calle dmoderates, islamic beliefs and image od islam.

If you didnt feel that way then thats upto you, lets say most Muslims up and down the country did. well you ar eunique omrow...or should the word be different Biggrin

wasalaam

 

hey guys,

sorry to dig up a (relatively) dead topic, but i saw this docu online recently and wanted to vent - it ticked me off on so many levels. :evil:

i have met Ghayasuddin Siddiqui and Taj Hargey in person and God i hope i never have the misfortune of meeting them again (they'd probably regret it too). :roll:

"TheRevivalEditor" wrote:
MCB have spoken with Dr Hargey to obtain clarification about his exact words and he denies saying to the Panorama team that the Jilbab is not mentioned in the Qur’an. He says that he was referring to the Niqab (face-covering).

check out the [url= online[/url] and fast forward to about 30 minutes, the part where they introduce the Shabina Begum case - Taj Hargey clearly says "[b]Jilbab[/b] is a cultural phenomenon". :roll:

[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=, X-Men[/url]

"*DUST*" wrote:

i have met Ghayasuddin Siddiqui and Taj Hargey in person and God i hope i never have the misfortune of meeting them again (they'd probably regret it too). :roll:

What do you have against Ghayasuddin Siddiqui?

"Beast" wrote:
"*DUST*" wrote:

i have met Ghayasuddin Siddiqui and Taj Hargey in person and God i hope i never have the misfortune of meeting them again (they'd probably regret it too). :roll:

What do you have against Ghayasuddin Siddiqui?


i met him at a conference to discuss the French Hijab ban - he was arguing in favour of it. :roll:

read this article of his:

[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=, X-Men[/url]