A group of Muslim men publicly distributed a leaflet calling for gay people to be given the death sentence, a court has heard.
The pamphlet was entitled The Death Penalty? and showed an image of a mannequin hanging from a noose. It said sodomy was a sin that led to hell, that it used to be punished by hanging, and that people practising and allowing homosexuality would suffer, the court was told.
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I expected it to be some young guys.
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
idiotic nutters.
they need to be deported to afghanistan and join the taliban.
lol hope no one's encouraging them to do that!
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
mate had a (quite cool) sticker that said "no gay zone" on a rainbow background.
Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary?
Why would you post that here in this thread??? LOL what was you thinking?
Lets reunite the ummah under one flag LA ILAHA IL ALLAH MUHAMMADUR RASULULLAH
Question:
As Muslims, what should be our attitude towards homosexuals? Are we allowed to associate with them? How should we view the gay marriage crisis? Jazakum Allahu Khairan
Answer:
In the Name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
Dear Questioner,
I pray this message finds you in good health and iman.
As Muslims, our attitude towards homosexuals is that they are our fellow human beings, albeit in a state of rebellion against their fitra, which is the primordial state of submission to Allah Most High that was given to every human being from the beginning of the creation of man. Allah Most High says, "When thy Lord drew forth from the Children of Adam - from their loins - their descendants, and made them testify concerning themselves, (saying): "Am I not your Lord (who cherishes and sustains you)?"- They said: "Yea! We do testify!" (This), lest ye should say on the Day of Judgment: "Of this we were never mindful."
The Qur'an addresses homosexuality in several chapters, including Surat al-'Araf (7:81-84), Surat Hud (11:77-83), Surat al-Hijr (15:57-75), Surat al-Shu'ara (26:160-174), Surat al-Naml (27:54-58), and Surat al-Ankabut (29:28-35).
For example, in Surat al-'Araf, verses 80-81, Allah Most High says, "We also (sent) Lut: He said to his people: "Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you? For ye practise your lusts on men in preference to women : ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds."
According to Ibn Kathir's tafsir (exegesis), the above verses show that homosexuality was unknown to humanity until the men of Prophet Lut's tribe manifested this sin by approaching men instead of women. The Prophet, Lut (as) went on to express his astonishment that the men of his tribe had forsaken their natural mates, females, to practice their lusts with males. The commentary goes on to describe this practice as ignorance and transgressing the limits.
Furthermore, as Muslims, we know that the Prophet Muhammad (saw), provided us the best example of a human being in his Sunna, or living tradition. Allah Most High says about the Prophet,(saw) "And thou (standest) on an exalted standard of character." The Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace, married women and exhorted his companions to marry women and warned them against trangressing beyond the limits of Allah Most High.
The Prophet,(saw), said, "May Allah curse him who does what Lot's people did." [Reliance of the Traveller, p17.2]
In a rigorously authenticated tradition, the Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace, said, "Whoever can promise me what is between their lips and what is between their thighs I will promise for them paradise." [Muslim]
Guarding one's sexuality from unlawful sexual intercourse is the duty of every Muslim. If it is unlawful for a man and woman to have sexual intercourse outside of marriage, then it is even more egregious for a man to approach another man, or a woman to approach another woman.
The purpose of life is to surrender ourselves to Allah Most High. Our desires must be in accordance with Sacred Law. We do not fashion law to follow our desires. Therefore, issues such as gay marriage, are completely antithetical to both the letter and the spirit of Sacred Law, which defines marriage as being between one and one woman. The only exception to this provision is the allowance for a man to marry up to four women, with the condition that he be able to treat them all equally.
As far as associating with homosexuals is concerned: As Muslims living in Western societies, we recognize that there is a need to interact with many different people. With the example of the Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace, before us, we know that we are required to deal with people with justice, compassion, and dignity. We avoid insulting or abusing homosexuals. And we also exercise caution about who we take as close friends. The basis for close friendships in Islam is the existence of God-fearingness and righteousness. Thus, a Muslim is courteous in his dealings with non-Muslims, but also realizes that close companionships are reserved for those who are upright in their beliefs and character.
Taken from Qibla
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
That is not cool. Not cool at all.
I don't understand why gay people are hated SOOOOO much. (I was gna write this before, then remembered the story of the people of Prophet Lut (as) and had to check it out before I said anything. But the following thoughts don't seem to be wrong according to the above post)
I don't understand, people act like they're murderers or something, but really they're just almost the same as people who have bf/gf relationships. Yet, no one hates such people so much. Maybe we should, since they're *both* great sins. (But I think we're supposed to hate the sin not the sinner?) Also there are some Muslim gay people who actually WANT and NEED HELP. Yet there are people who don't even want to know them, they just shun them away and treat them like crap. Anyone remember that poster who posted on the last gay-related topic, on the forums? I hope he's had some help! Should we have told him to get lost, he's not welcome here, too?!
I spent 3 weeks with a gay person (didnt know he was gay at the time though) and he was pretty normal. And there's this other guy at school who's gay, he's actually asian too, I don't like him, (due to his personality) but I don't really need to talk him so it's fine. Basically, I haven't had much experience with gay people and actually this hatred has also been instilled in me too, I think. However I realise they are people just like us. They are sinning (and ermmmm very lost) people. I hope if I do have to talk to gay people, I do be civil and not be horrible or whatever, cuz their sin doesn't actually affect me.
May Allah guide us all, and keep us on the straight path.
I think I need to learn to hate the sinner more than the sin (for other sins too).
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
just a lilly thought. i just dont see why i have to be extra nice to homosexual. (not saying that anyone told me to on here) but dude. im allowed to not like some people. just like im allowed to not like girls who backchat and ignore them - yet stay courteous - why do i have to be NICE to homos? courtesy and civility is as far as im going. they CHOSE to be gay just like those girls CHOSE to backchat, just like this girl CHOSE to wear a miniskirt, just like that other one CHOSE to sleep with her bf. why do they make such afreaking big deal abt it? oh yeah - coz they might not actually have CHOSE it right? yeah..okay..exceptions apply... just like he might be born with the gene coding of peodophilia. im not being dismissive or rude. just...a few years ago homosexuality was seen the way peodophilia's seen now... food for thought.
im not giving special treatment to someone just coz of the fear of being label a homophobic.
i dont know if im being rude in the above. i've reread this quite a few time and dont think it would offend a homosexual person...
just the unrefined words of a rebellious teenager.
Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary?
love this.
Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary?
Civil is what I would want to be too.
Saying they're not allowed in certain areas is more than just *not liking*. Don't see any stickers for gossipers!
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
now Feef, saying this in asnwer to a lillypost is just asking for trouble *michievous* (we dont have a michievous emote)...shall i make a sticker? the background will be the picture of someone biting someone's back. "no gossip zone
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orrrrr we could be reasonable and just STOP MAKING STICKERS. they're so outdated now anyway..tis all abt badges and stamps. ah..stamps are just so freaking cool... the new ones.the one you dont have to hit with ink all the time.
Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary?
I was actually gna google if there's such a sticker (before you posted) lol
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
Maybe it's just me but i'll never treat homosexuals as normal becaus they're not normal. I don't care if it's a horrible thing yo say but i'm not here to please anyone.
Really and truly i'm just hating the sin, for me to treat them normally is just wrong...it's sort of border lime accepting it. I agree other sins should be treated the same way, namely ribbah, zina etc.
Other than i'll treat a person according to how they are in front of me. I can't stand a man that acts like a woman, i detest it. It's not right. That's where i stand.
I believe people can change so...yeah
Lets reunite the ummah under one flag LA ILAHA IL ALLAH MUHAMMADUR RASULULLAH
Zina is ok but homosexuals should never be treated the same? You're not hating *just* the sin. And I wouldn't really say anything of you treated everyone else like that, but you're not.
If they don't say anything to you, then you don't need to say anything to them.
Did you read the Qibla post? What do you think of it? Are they wrong?
Oh can I just clear up something: I do hate homosexuality and as I said earlier I kinda hate gays too - though I've never really known many. But I feel hating them is wrong (well specifically talking about Muslim ones) I feel sorry for them, cuz some of them actually want to change and people like us, who just tell them they're worthless, wrong and whatever else stop them from seeking the help they need. And then there's others who think it's normal/they can't help it, because they haven't had the education and society says so, they should also be educated. (though doubt it would make a lot of difference after it's been instilled in them)
Obviously it's right to hate the sin, especially if someone thinks it's right (like a non-Muslim point of view, someone who defo won't listen) but the action itself isn't harmful to anyone else so why hate the person?
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
having a sticker with "blah blah blah zone" you're basically talking about YOUR Zone, your perosonal space. and arent you allowed to chose who you allow in? so what if i dont want to allow homosexuals.
can we have one of the ELDERS posting and telling us what a bunch of homophobic morons we are?
Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary?
A little annecdote for you guys, maybe I've said this before:
I have actually had a gay guy crush on me! No I didn't return it, before anyone asks!
He told a mutual friend to say hello to me, I said hello back I didn't think that much of it.
Later on he's talking to me (on FB).
Gay: So, Jade (a mutal friend) told me that you like someone.
Me: Hey, look, what I said was that I'm a guy, I have some sort of liking for most girls; doesn't mean that I have to sleep with them or that I'm madly in love with them. PLease, don't overly romaticise it.
Gay: Oh........ it's just that I thought you were.... sorry for thinking that you were gay.
Me: What?
Even, if a guy is gay, I still expect him to behave like a man, and not a girl. I still expect him to know his boundaries around me, but I won't foul mouth and hate him for him being gay.
I think most people, if they're in the right situation may have thoughts that could be described as gay. No one is 100% either way.
By the way, if a gay person comes out as straight and they're being hated by gays, is that heterophobia?
“Before death takes away what you are given, give away whatever there is to give.”
Mawlana Jalal ud Din Rumi
Lol! Eww! Awkward!
Lilly you can like, dislike and hate whoever you want. I just dont believe it to be logical for people to really hate on them purely on the basis of their sin, yet not treat others doing other sins in the same way. Especially when you dont know these people and they haven't affected your life in anyway. Of course if they have affected you then thats different. I would stay away if what happened to lamp, happened to me. Mostly cuz of being freaked out lol. but for most muslims that isn't the reason.
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
Lol! Eww! Awkward!
Lilly you can like, dislike and hate whoever you want. I just dont believe it to be logical for people to really hate on them purely on the basis of their sin, yet not treat others doing other sins in the same way. Especially when you dont know these people and they haven't affected your life in anyway. Of course if they have affected you then thats different. I would stay away if what happened to lamp, happened to me. Mostly cuz of being freaked out lol. but for most muslims that isn't the reason.
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
me no hate. takes too much energy i dont have. and that i could use betterly. like eaing sweets.
and this is just my take on homosexuality in general. i have no homos in my life right now so..there's nothing. but when i do meet a homo. i havent liked them. as a person. homosexuality becomes their everything damn.. its like me saying "hey im heterosexual, i speak heterosexually, i walk heterosexually, i eat heterosexually etc.. etc.." you see the rest of the world doing that? no. just homos.
Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary?
I think that's just a stereotype :/
Anyway you'll be pleased to know, I'm gna stop now talking about homophobia now.
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
alright, replace the end of my sentence with "just the homos ive met"
Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary?