(Don't quite understand this - how are you meant to wear a niqab w/o letting it touch your face. I thought no one wore niqab in ihram)
Question
While performing Hajj is it necessary that the Niqaab of a women does not touch her face while she is in Ihraam? Can she give some charity if she finds this difficult?
Answer
In the Name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
As-salāmu ‘alaykum wa-rahmatullāhi wa-barakātuh.
Leaving the face uncovered is part of the woman’s Ihrām. Nabi Sallallāhu Alaihi Wa Sallam has said:“The Ihrām of a female is in her face and the Ihrām of a man is in his head.”
(Sunan Ad-Dāru Qutni, Hadīth No. 2761)[1]In these times of corruption and evil, it is advisable that a woman in Ihrām covers her face in such a way that the covering cloth (niqāb) does not touch the face. That is by wearing a cap and drawing the niqāb from a distance away from the face. However if we suppose the niqāb does end up touching the face, then charity equivalent to the amount of Sadaqatul Fitr is due. And if she wears niqāb whilst touching her face for a complete day, a Damm (sacrificed animal) is due. [2] [3]
And Allah Ta’āla Knows BestMawlana Abdul Azeem bin Abdur Rahman,
Student Darul Iftaa
USChecked and Approved by,
Mufti Ebrahim Desai.
www.daruliftaa.net[1] إِحْرَامُ الْمَرْأَةِ فِي وَجْهِهَا وَإِحْرَامُ الرَّجُلِ فِي رَأْسِهِ (دار قطني, رقم الحديث 2761, مؤسسة الرسالة)
[2] وليس للمراة ان تنتقب وتغطي وجهها فان فعلت ذالك يوما كاملا فعليها دم (الجوهرة النيرة,ج 1, ص 218: مير محمد كتب خانه)
[3] (فان فعلت) اي ما ذكر من تغطية الوجه (يوما فعليها دما, وفي الاقل صدقة)
Comments
Yes, sure the Quran says that... meaning that they are more virtuous and much better than us. If the ummahatul muslimeen were are not our role models becuase they are not like other women (in your sense) than where do we take our role models from?
Something else... surely Rasulullah SAW was definately not like any other man... then according to your arguement, that would render all muslim men only obligated to do that which is stated in the Quran and not that which Prophet SAW has done, as his actions were for himself only.
"That's the thing about pain. It demands to be felt" - Augustus Waters
Btw, what rules? That you can't wear niqab?
"That's the thing about pain. It demands to be felt" - Augustus Waters
no, it is more than that.
they have specific status that does not apply to others.
Do not even pretend that you can be like them and leave them their status of purity.
They are the mothers of the believers, and not being allowed to marry someone else after the passing of the prophet (saw), who was their husband is not a rule that would apply to anyone else.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
This discussion isnt getting anywhere.
@ Nasheedgirl, it is good that you are trying to become even more practising of Islam.
but this issue doesnt need to be solved until you get ready to go hajj, when you can consult a scholar.
the overall dress code and rules around what can and cant be worn.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
True
..but I don't think you can totally rule out the fitnah argument. IMO, it isn't 'bogus'...it's the reason you would wear the veil; to preserve your dignity and modesty. And to avoid distractions whilst trying to devote yourself to God.
That is all.
The fitnah must be proven.
And if the above was the case, the rules of the ihram would imclude them.
Consider another argument of humility. People dress the same to show that their wordly status does not matter.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Who or what would prove it?
What does the above argument have to do with the niqab?
the discussion is over the need to wear the niqab during hajj in order to avoid extra fitnahs that have developed over time.
It needs to be proven first that those extra fitnahs exist at hajj before any remedy for them can be suggested.
My suggestion is that things currently are probably a lot more civil then they would have been for most of Islamic history and those suggesting the opposite need to prove it.
People can wear the niqab when doing tawaf etc, but as long as that tawaf is not a part of hajj or umrah under the conditions of ihram.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
people nowadays are not the same at back in the days. ive heard gropping stories during tawaaf. one thing to say: WHAT THE FREAK!? gettin gropped during tawaaf?!"
Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary?
A lot more civil?? I'm guessing you haven't been recently..?
Im not saying I'm there to prove it since I don't know what it was like in previous Islamic history...but its certainly there to see.
As in worse or 'more civil'??
groping is considered civil?
Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary?
no its not.
(and its not something that will be fixed by wearing a face veil either.)
It may have been an attempt at theft - it has been known for thieves to take advantage of crowds.
Don't know how they can do such a thing in such a location though.
But I suspect that there is a lot less banditry around now compared to the past as it will be better policed, more organised.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
I have to agree with Admin on this. Covering your face will not stop you getting groped. And we can't actually prove these things didn't happen in the past. Considering some people in the thirteenth century thought girls were becoming more promiscuous, I think it's safe to say fitna has always existed and this argument can't be used to add the veil to the already prescribed rules by Allah (swt). The only reason why I can think such things may have happened less (or not) back in the day, is because less people may have went, and it *may* have been hard to get away with such actions therefore it didn't happen much. (I'm thinking of way less people, like maybe at the start of Islam or something).
And also, why should the women be responsible for the man's actions? she shouldn't and she isn't! If Allah swt has said to not put it on, and you are putting it on, IMO it's like you're helping the guy out, when he needs to have the self-control. As long you are focussing on the worship, not being all dolled up and strutting your stuff, I don't see why you have to add the veil to the ihram.
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
double post
triple post...o.O
IMO, it is not a requirement, but a mere precaution...see, Hajj is expensive, a once in a lifetime opportunity and a time to completely sacrifice your time and effort for God. The pilgrim would hence want to make the best of the opportunity, no?
And soooooo...wearing a niqaab, might be just that precaution to prevent the risk of being distracted or even getting others distracted.
Yes, the niqaab will not make a vast difference in terms of preventing groping (e.t.c)...but at least the pilgrim can be somewhat satisfied that they did their part...
Btw, I understand yours and You's (lol sounds funny!) point, I'm just saying it should be a choice.
Admin suggested earlier that things were 'more civil'. I was asking if you agreed.
sorry, misunderstood...well...i dont know really? i dont know much what it was like before so cant compare....
Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary?
The thing is, it is Allah himself who has *not* given the choice.
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
so this is obviously a topic to be debated by scholars etc.. let's not debate it. plus its a personal issue. its not like you're gona go up to a woman and rip her niqaab off on hajj are you?
Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary?
I keep saying it's my opinion not like I'm saying it's the opinion of a scholar. In fact the scholar's opinion is given at first. But tbh sometimes u can't trust all of them and have to use ur own common sense to recognise the right argument. Really though, I'm trying to understand why people do something which goes against what Allah has said *whilst claiming to being more religious* - they're going against what Allah has said!! It makes no sense to me!! the fitna argument just doesn't work when Allah has said to not do it. They seem to be taking an extreme action instead of the moderate one. That is all.
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
i'll check out the diffrent scholarly opinion and form my opinion and get back to you. but right now. PARTTAAAYYY TIMMMEEEE!!!!
i totally agree with the bold bit.
Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary?
True say!!
Just wanna point out that I'm clearly in no 'knowledgeable' state to confirm any rulings and I certainly don't think contradicting Allah is permissible.
Firstly, it is not mentioned in the Quran so is not being directly told by Allah. Secondly, over time Fatwahs change... look into many issues and you'll see that they have changed due the circumstances. For instance Haram rules have changed over time... the general ruling is that men are not allowed to pray behind women... but in Haram that ruling doesn't apply.
Also just for thought,if so many people nowadays that are in ihram are wearing teh niqab... don't you think you have to re-question the rulings given and why people are wearing it now... im sure everyones not going astray or something... or are they?
Of cousre, i agree you don't go against what Allah and his Prophet SAW have said, but that doesnt mean you follow it without thinking into the issue first and listening to whta the scholars have to say about the issue.
"That's the thing about pain. It demands to be felt" - Augustus Waters
For example, scholars (or just molvi?) have said that you can go to hajj with your brother in law as your mahram - but your brother in law usually isn't your mahram so how does that work?? people do it though - because they have been told it's allowed.
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
Yeah I've heard the same...but I've heard two different arguments.. What do u know nasheedgirl?
Huh???? Im confused... ur not allwed to pry salaah with niqab on?? I've neva herd that 1 b4...
"That's the thing about pain. It demands to be felt" - Augustus Waters
I got told by my Arabic teacher, but I don't think she's Hanafi
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