ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

I can't remember if I've asked this before but can females be leaders?

The answer is probably no as women have not had a leadership position during the time of the Prophet and all the Prophets (pbut) were male.

I heard that Benazir Bhutto was an illegitimate leader since women cannot lead men.

?

Bi'dah!
If I'm not mistaken, Aisha (ra) led & taught men after the Prophet past away?

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

The answer is probably no as women have not had a leadership position during the time of the Prophet and all the Prophets (pbut) were male.

in Islam men and women are not equal then?
A man canrule but a women can't
A man can marry people of the book christens, Jewish women can't
A man can have 4 wives I dont think a women can marry multiple times

In Islam the womens jobs are

Kitchen cooking and cleaning
have lots of kids

a women’s deyat money or blood money is less then a mans Why? is a womens blood cheaper?

Here are the prices

100,000 riyals if the victim is a Muslim man
50,000 riyals if a Muslim woman
50,000 riyals if a Christian or Jewish man
25,000 riyals if a Christian or Jewish woman
6,666 riyals if a man of any other religion
3,333 riyals if a woman of any other religion

Look at the disclamations

If you dont want to believe in Islam, no one here is forcing you to.

There is also the battle of the camel.

and there is a queen mentioned in the qur'an who is considered a righteous ruler.

You wrote:

If you dont want to believe in Islam, no one here is forcing you to.

I'm just pointing out the discriminations that Islam has towards women

lollywood wrote:

You wrote:

If you dont want to believe in Islam, no one here is forcing you to.

I'm just pointing out the discriminations that Islam has towards women

It doesn't though.

Islam granted women many rights they never had before it was revealed.

Also, the things about cooking, cleaning and having kids is cultural, not Islamic.

It is the husband's job to make sure the woman has everything she needs and wants, if he earns money he has to share it with her, but if a woman earns money she can keep it all.

But he can't force her to work.

You need to educate before you make these sweeping statements which reflect your ignorance more than anything.

Ya'qub wrote:

It doesn't though.

then why is the blood money less for a women?

Ya'qub wrote:

Islam granted women many rights they never had before it was revealed.

Also, the things about cooking, cleaning and having kids is cultural, not Islamic.

A man can wear what he likes but a women has to be covered from head to toe
a woman has to be accompanied by a mehram to Hajj - she can't go alone from what I understand
why can't she go alone oh because she's a women

Ya'qub wrote:

It is the husband's job to make sure the woman has everything she needs and wants, if he earns money he has to share it with her, but if a woman earns money she can keep it all.

But he can't force her to work.

If a man earns money he has to share it but a women does not now thats also discrimination

Ya'qub wrote:

You need to educate before you make these sweeping statements which reflect your ignorance more than anything.

You all can help me

Queen (AFAIK) Sheba is mentioned in the qur'an as a righteous ruler who met with Prophet (AFAIK) Suleiman (as).

After the martyrdom of Hadhrat Uthmaan, the ummah was in two factions over who should lead and there was a battle which was lead by Hadhrat Aisha Siddeeqa (ra). (the two sides were in negotiations but the rebel factions who had martyred Hadhrat Uthman (ra) and now had put their support behind Hadhrat Ali (ra) were fearful that any peace would mean both sides uniting against them, so they decided to attack the other side, which was lead by ummul Mu'mineen Hadhrat Aisha Siddeeqa (ra)).

Besides, even if everyone agreed on the context and meaning of that hadith, it would still not make it haraam for women to lead.

It makes sense though for all the prophets (pbut) to have been male because of the status of women at those times.

@Lollywood: The blood money for men differs because of the financial obligations that they have. A man has to support his family with the money that he earns, so if the man of the household is killed, the family loses that source of income. Whereas, a woman does not have to support anyone financially and any money she earns she gets to keep for herself.

bilan wrote:

The blood money for men differs because of the financial obligations that they have. A man has to support his family with the money that he earns, so if the man of the household is killed, the family loses that source of income.

If the man of the household is killed then the women should marry another man that is able to support her financially this blood money thing is wrong and the price of blood money for women of other religions is a joke

bilan wrote:

Whereas, a woman does not have to support anyone financially and any money she earns she gets to keep for herself.

Subhan Allah that's just marvellous

lollywood wrote:

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

The answer is probably no as women have not had a leadership position during the time of the Prophet and all the Prophets (pbut) were male.

in Islam men and women are not equal then?
A man canrule but a women can't
A man can marry people of the book christens, Jewish women can't
A man can have 4 wives I dont think a women can marry multiple times

In Islam the womens jobs are

Kitchen cooking and cleaning
have lots of kids

a women’s deyat money or blood money is less then a mans Why? is a womens blood cheaper?

Here are the prices

100,000 riyals if the victim is a Muslim man
50,000 riyals if a Muslim woman
50,000 riyals if a Christian or Jewish man
25,000 riyals if a Christian or Jewish woman
6,666 riyals if a man of any other religion
3,333 riyals if a woman of any other religion

Look at the disclamations

According to Ruqaiyah Waris Mahmood that Hadith was "remembered" many years after the Prophet's(pbuh) death.
During the time of Umar bin Khattab, he was challenged by a lady when he wanted to put a cap on a woman's dowry. He accepted his mistake and humbly corrected himself. SubhanAllah!
As a husband, you naturally have a lot of influence on your wife, it's just a fact of life. Because of that it is really important for a Muslim husband to be aware of this and be fair, honourable and just and decent. If one person is not religious then the other may start practising less or even stop practising altogether.
The Kitchen and cleaning comment is just wrong, while true Islam places an obligation on women to be homemakers and mothers and get credit for it (because too often they don't) they are allowed to work outside the home andbe active in the community.

Lollywood, mate, where did you get this blood money rubbish from? With all due respect, it has no basis in the Quran or Sunnah.
Although there is a conept of blood money, it is nothing like the prices you've put. Where did you get that from?

The purpose of having more than one wife is to support her and look after her, it is an extra responsibility that the man can take, otherwise some women may not have a husband.
Frankly most women wouldn't really want more than one of her husband, it's not a glorious privilidge it's a responsibility!

You wrote:

There is also the battle of the camel.

Yes, Battle of the Camel, an embarrassment for those who want to brush it under the carpet.
In this Battle, Aisha took on Ali, the "fourth" rightly guided Caliph of Islam.

To me Ali is number one.

Ali did not kill Aisha. Instead he escorted the wife of the Prophet (pbuh) back to her house in Medina.

Therefore, Aisha is not a good example to follow for any group of Muslims.

We only look up to Fatima, and her daughter Zaynab, as role models for women.

malik wrote:

Aisha is not a good example to follow for any group of Muslims.

I would rather follow what the qur'an says and what the prophet thought on such matters than follow your vitriol.

Quran does not tell any muslim to follow Aisha.

In fact, God condemns this "mother of the beleivers" in the Quran.

malik wrote:

We only look up to Fatima and her daughter Zaynab as role models for women.

That is the problem with your approach.

You are suggesting that the prophet (saw)'s preaching was so ineffective, that only a handful of people remained Muslims.

Do you really think that can be true?

Do you think the prophet would have surrounded such weak people - and given them the position to take political power?

For a normal person, that is possible, but for a prophet of God who is guided through revelation, and is overseen in his actions, no it is not as it makes a mockery of the power of God and the excellence of His chosen final messenger.

Problem with you YOU is that you get impressed with numbers.

Whereas in Islam we look only at where TRUTH is.

Some prevoious Prophets did not convert except a handful of people. Does that mean those Prophets were in error? No.

What did Gandhi say? "Truth is the truth even if you are minority of one."

We are taught by the Prophet to fear only God, not a large crowd of people.

How come you are always full of rhetoric and slogans instead of down to earth conversations?

malik wrote:

Quran does not tell any muslim to follow Aisha.

In fact, God condemns this "mother of the beleivers" in the Quran.

I think that this assertion requires quotes.

malik wrote:

We only look up to Fatima, and her daughter Zaynab, as role models for women.

and you ignore other righteous women mentioned in the Qur'an, like the righteous wife of a pharoah, Queen Sheba etc.

See, this is the second problem with you YOU.

Do bother to read AT LEAST the Holy Quran once in your life.

When you do, you will read Allah threatens Aisha and Hasfa both with divorce.

God warns them both that He will find His Prophet better wives then you both.

Sunni commentators of the Quran write that that those verses referes to Aisha and Hafsa.

Aisha got a severe threat of a divorse after she annoyed the Prophet (pbuh).

Her behaviour angered God. You dont issue a divorse threat over a little matter.

Go find out from your own scholars what exactly had happened.

and were they? no.

The people closest to God are often held to higher standards and God teaches others through them.

Its too embarrassing to write here. Sisters may be reading this.

I respect my sisters too much. Therefore, no. You do your own homework YOU.

and from there you question their repute?

If there was disrepute, instead of a lesson, then they would not have kept the high honour of remaining the mothers of the believers.

It is a twisting of history to try and suit an agenda and that is wrong.

If you want to hold people to such things, you would also have to reject Hadhrat Ali (RA) as there were times when him and the prophet (saw)'s daughter did not see eye to eye and there was even a situation where Hadhrat Ali (ra) was told that if he were to do a specific act, he should divorce the prophet (saw)'s daughter first.

Now, I do not think that this in any way affects the high status given to Hadhrat Ali as one of the best of the sahabahs.

A case of jealousy.

malik wrote:

Its too embarrassing to write here. Sisters may be reading this.

I respect my sisters too much. Therefore, no. You do your own homework YOU.

So basically, you've made a great accusation against Aisha and Hafsa (ra) and say that it's in the Quran, but you won't give us even the slightest reference? You do realise we don't have the time or stupidity to go on your fishing trip, to test your theory? If you have the reference then please post it, if not then do the decent thing and retract your comment.