Salaam
Since the month eof Rabbi ul Awwal has started we will see many Mawlid gatherings across the country.
Now do you take part in Milaad/Mawlid gatherings?
Do you attend em at the masjids or have your own gatherings at home?
Or do you agree with milaad but dont really take part in any mawlid gatherings?
Or do you simply think its all wrong and stay away from them!
Note: Keep this topic sectarian free, no accusations pls. Lets see if we can discuss this without abuse an dfallouts!
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Yep I take part in Mawlid gatherings and zikr. We usually do family and friend gatherings at home, otherwise we travel abroad to Mauritius where our Sheikh is and we do it there, sometimes we do it alone depending on our schedules also as a lot of the kids still in school, uni and college.
I agree with Milad Un Nabi and I also take part it Mawlid
They're both important to us.
I don't believe its wrong, why would it be ? It's the birth of our Nabi Paak and we are sending Durood Salaam to him.
Your own soul is nourished when you are kind; it is destroyed when you are cruel.
MAURITIUS?! WHO?!?!
i dont celebrate mawlid.
Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary?
His name is Anwar Bhai ( I call him Dada). He is very young but mashAllah he has a lot of followers world wide.
Your own soul is nourished when you are kind; it is destroyed when you are cruel.
There's a milad thing in Aston, Bham today. There's going to be a 'jaloos' (parade/demo?) too, they've got the w.mids police and ambulance services on board and lots of roads are closed so its pretty big.
BTW for those of you who wanted to see milad flags, if you've got sky put it on 819 - there's going to be plenty shown on there.
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
What's the point of parades?
it's a celebration.
that's how some cultures celebrate.
salaam to all
There has been a debate about this, can someone please put some light into this, is the demo acceptable? I watched this on sky ch.819, subhan'allah was a very big milad, but few things cropped my mind
1. mix of gender
2. fireworks, resembling of a party atmosphere
What is an acceptable way of celeb the birth of the prophet do you think and the final Q, are we allowed to celeb our own birthday? if no can you please back it up with some sources (the quraan, hadith or sunah)
w'salaam
"The fragrance of flowers spreads only in the direction of the wind. But the goodness of a person spreads in all directions.." - unknown
that is a separate issue, nothing to do with milad un nabi (saw). contact the organisers for an answer?
people do fireworks on eid, weddings etc as a form of celebration and milad un nabi
is a celebration.
and the birth of the Prophet
is a party, a joyous occasion, Almighty Allaah tells us to rejoice the coming of the Prophet (saw).
all ways are permissible, evey culture has their own way of celebrating. as long no haram activity takes place then all is good.
yes we can.
the origins of birthdays is found in the Quran and the Prophet
himself celebrated his birthday.
the general principle is that everything is permissible unless it is stated to be haram.
this is obviously one side of the argument. I'll tell you the other side sometimes soon inshaAllah, too tired today.. stick around eh?
Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary?
I don't think there is another side.
The Beautiful Prophet celebrated his own birthday as Noor has mentioned, so it is Sunnah to follow him. He is the most important, perfect human being created by Allah swt, and we should not celebrate this? Does that not seem weird?
Celebrating does not mean partying with balloons, fireworks, cakes and music. The celebration of the Prophet SAW is sacred, it is sending him durood shareef, praising him and Allah, being grateful to him and Allah etc... how can something like that be seen as one sided? Allah swt has said himself in Quran that he sends Durood on the Prophet, so if we do it we will be following Allah swt's sunnah. SubhanAllah tell me, how can there be another side to this??
i dont celebrate mawlid. never even heard of it before this. my friend mentioned that she was havinf family over. (so thts what they were talking about on revvy!) apart from tht one person ive never heard anyone say they celebrate this. its not an asian thing is it?????
"Verily, in the remembrance of Allah, do hearts find rest"
could you maybe show proof of the way the prophet (pbuh) celebrated his birthday? I've never seen anything about it. Not that i've been researching much from this side.
Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary?
it is a universal thing and has been celebrated ever since the time of the Prophet (saw).
Should be interesting to hear the other side even though I have a rough idea as to what you're gonna mention anyway, as I myself used to be of the opinion that mawlid/milad wasn't allowed.
As stated by al-Sayyid Muhammad al-Maliki in his Fatwa _Hawl al-Ihtifal bi Dhikra al-Mawlid al-Nabawi al-Sharif_ (10th ed. p. 15): "The first to observe the celebration of the Mawlid was the Prophet himself by fasting on Mondays because it was the day of his birth as narrated in Sahih Muslim. This is the soundest and most explicit textual proof for the licitness of commemorating the Noble Prophetic Mawlid."
The Prophet saw expressly commemorated his own birthday - as did the early Umma in his wake - by fasting every Monday. He
and they treated his birthday as the cause and driving factor (`illa) for this act of devotion as shown in the Sahih and as illustrated by the commentators of those narrations, among them Ibn Khuzayma and his student Ibn Hibban, each one of them in his Sahih. And this suffices as evidence for those endowed with sight.
"[Subheading:] Mention of the Desirability of the Fast of Yawm al-Ithnayn BECAUSE (li'anna) on that Day was Born Rasulullah and on that Day Descended upon Him the Beginning of Revelation." Sahih Ibn Hibban (Arna'ut ed. 8:403).
"Chapter of the Desirability of the Fast of Yawm al-Ithnayn SINCE (idh) the Prophet was Born on Yawm al-Ithnayn and on that Day Revelation Came to Him and on that Day He Died." Sahih Ibn Khuzayma (A`zami ed. 3:298).
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"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
Tribal thing...?
Never heard that before.
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What?! I've never heard that the prophet
celebrated his birthday! Yeah he fasted, but this did not mean he celebrated it... if he had celebrated it, don't you think it would be something 'clearly' stated in hadith and sunnah. Besides it only means you're getting closer to your death...seriously that aint something to celebrate!
The next major reason why you can't celebrate them is becuase you're not allowed to follow pagan worship, and celebrating birthdays originates form pagan worship... here's a link...http://www.suite101.com/content/history-of-the-birthday-celebration-a238069
"That's the thing about pain. It demands to be felt" - Augustus Waters
You're closer to your death every moment never mind every year - that doesn't mean you should thank and celebrate you're alive and Allah (swt) has given you the chance to live a little longer. Also aint there a saying which says a believer is happy to die and meet his Lord?
(I don't really know why I made that argument, but it is something that has crossed my mind although I grew up being told birthdays shouldn't be celebrated)
Anyway...
source
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
It does not need to be 'clearly' stated for it to be permissible.
The reason for salaat-ul-shukr....
'Celebrating so called "Islamic occasions" other than the three days prescribed by Allah is a rejected bid`ah in Islam; it consists of introducing new rites and worships that only Allah has the right to do. This applies to occasions like "the Prophet's Birthday", "the Hijri New Year's day", "the Middle of Sha`ban", etc.' (http://www.2eids.com/impermissible_acts_of_eid_celebration.php)
birthday not being one of them.
As mentioned above, there are 3 days which Allah has given us 2 celebrate...the prophet
"That's the thing about pain. It demands to be felt" - Augustus Waters
This doesn't mean that you have to celebrate it...Prophet
Also going back to your first point...what you said about death was true, but are we as muslims pious and beloved enough to Allah to be so sure we are ready 2 meet Him?
"That's the thing about pain. It demands to be felt" - Augustus Waters
You're arguing abouit forms of celebration.
If we think anything is a mercy or a favour to us from God (which to us, The Prophet
is), we should publicise them:
[qs:93:11]
The qur'an tells us to rejoice in the favours and mercies of the lord:
[qs:10:58]
As for births (and deaths) of Prophets being special, there is a verse in the qur'an about it:
[qs:19:15]
The question that remains is how do we listen to these and umpteen other verses. Differnet people have developed different traditions and ways on how to act on these, and as long as they do not contain any haraam or disliked acts, they are all good - for there is a hadith that if someone starts a good action and others follow that person, then the original person also gets the rewards for the actions of the others. (Discussion of that hadith)
IMO it only becomes bid'ah when one or the opposing position on the mawlid is enforced - as long as people are free to celebrate or not celebrate the mawlid, it is not a bid'ah as it is not adding a new compulsion or prohibition to Islam.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
That means we should strive to better ourselves, not stop being happy and thankful for our life...right?
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
Im not gona do it anymore.
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following my questions.
can people define mawlid/milad? and how they would "celebrate" it. i think the key to the disagreement lies here.
and yes, i've heard of this hadith about the fasting on mondays.
what was that about 17th of Ramadan?
Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary?
my only contribution to this discussion is that when looking at whether one should or shouldnt do something then we need to look at out Islamic history which is the 1000 years of classical scholars who have given us the understanding of the deen that we have today.
So, what are the views of these classical giants on mawlid?
I can say with confidence that th eoverwhelming majority of classical scholars all agree that mawlid is allowed, permissible, acceptable, required and rewarded.
Im talking about the giants like Imam Asqalani, Qastalani the commentators of Sahih ul Bukhari, Imam Suyuti the commentator of Al Jalalayn,Imam Nawawi- author of the famous 40 Ahadith, also the shaykh of Imam Nawawi aswell, Imam Shawkani, Imam Ibn Kathir, Imam Jawzi, Imam Alusi, Imam Zurkaani, Shah Wali Allah Muhaddith Delwi right down to the Shaykh of the big Deoband scholars/founders Haji Imdadulllah Muhaajir Makki.....
I listened to a lecture by Shaykh Tahir ul Qadri a few years back and he quoted with references over 50 of the big classical scholars over the last 1000 years from all madhabs who all said mawlid was allowed and rewarded.
I think its only last 200 years when this hoo haa of labelling celebrating mawlid as sin or misguidance has come about. Only Imam Ibn Taymiyah was the Big scholar from the past who was against it.
So do we ignore 1000 years of classical scholars on this issue or do we follow modern ulema who know 'better'?
Who said showing gratitude is restricted to just salat-ul-shukr, there are different ways of showing happiness and gratitude. A person whom Allah has bestowed upon wealth could wear expensive clothing to show gratitude.
Mawlid being a "rejected bidah in Islam' according to which scholars?....and don't name any contemporary ones.
There are ahadith re 15th Sha'ban but you still consider it to be a 'rejected bidah'?
No-one is saying that it is necessary to celebrate mawlid. It is only fortunate people who get to do it.
Why not?...there might be answers to what you present.
Group of people getting together..reciting Quran..listening to a talk about the Prophet (saw)..listening to nasheeds/naats..sending durood/salawat upon the Prophet (saw)..doing zikr..eating nice food. Where does the disagreement lie?
Battle of Badr?
Or you can do both.
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Shaykh Ahmad Dabbagh explains extensively using the authentic sources of Islam the legality of Mawlid. Ranging from the topics of the mentioning of previous of prophets birth in the Quran to the etiquettes one should observe when conducting or observing the Mawlid.Content in UrduCourtesy of: Muhammadiyah Channel
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just dont want to and cant be bothered.
and thanks for the rest of info.
Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary?
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