Ocean wrote:

This trend of young Muslim girls wearing the hijab is disturbing

Little girls are being taught to view themselves as sexual objects that must be covered up from an early age

eh?

The very sight of a little girl in a scarf is both disturbing and confusing. Adult Muslim women are expected to dress modestly so that men outside the family cannot see their bodies. But what is the point of a child or pre-pubescent girl wearing a hijab? It hints at what may be a disturbed (one is tempted to say diseased) concept of sexuality in the mind of the father who thinks his little girl should be covered up. What exactly is tempting about the body of an eight-year-old that needs to be covered?

Poor guy's confused, someone help him understand.

To make matters worse, what about the brothers of these girls? Will they not grow up with the same mentality? If they see that their sisters have to be covered up from a very early age to avoid being exposed in front of men, it is only natural that they grow up with the concept that women have to be covered, controlled and restricted

LMAO!!!!

Check out the Author, he looks like a 16 year old boy...

he really does!

quite surprised to see the author was muslim (or had a muslim name anyway) tut tut!

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

Truth's_Razors wrote:

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

Taken from here

Shaytaan is such a p.i.t.a!

lol, took me a few secs to work that one out. Yes, he is a p.i.t.a :x

same, lol!

light bulb went of after I read the article, which is pretty good by the way and I can testament to that myself as I wear an abaya as well....abayas rule!

Ocean wrote:

bilan wrote:

Ocean wrote:

This trend of young Muslim girls wearing the hijab is disturbing

Little girls are being taught to view themselves as sexual objects that must be covered up from an early age

eh?

The very sight of a little girl in a scarf is both disturbing and confusing. Adult Muslim women are expected to dress modestly so that men outside the family cannot see their bodies. But what is the point of a child or pre-pubescent girl wearing a hijab? It hints at what may be a disturbed (one is tempted to say diseased) concept of sexuality in the mind of the father who thinks his little girl should be covered up. What exactly is tempting about the body of an eight-year-old that needs to be covered?

Poor guy's confused, someone help him understand.

To make matters worse, what about the brothers of these girls? Will they not grow up with the same mentality? If they see that their sisters have to be covered up from a very early age to avoid being exposed in front of men, it is only natural that they grow up with the concept that women have to be covered, controlled and restricted

LMAO!!!!

Check out the Author, he looks like a 16 year old boy...

he really does!

quite surprised to see the author was muslim (or had a muslim name anyway) tut tut!

And he's a medical student in Alexandria University, one of the best ones out there!

well clearly NOTY if they let this guy in haha. doesnt even knw what hes talking about!

you know what...girls/women/ladies do look pretty when covered but in a respectable way and yeah even if it does make your face stand out more and show the beauty of your eyes and everything but wouldnt you rather have someone look at the beauty of your eyes rather than your body?...
in my own opinion your beauty would show but you will also be respected for the fact that you have the will to cover up...i'll respect you for it defo...
you know what though if your not ready i dont think you should though because i think its worse putting it on and then taking it off but try wearing it for a couple of days maybe a week and see how you feel about it

sorry about the essay

dont wory next time i'll make sure to give you a really really really long essay just for fun which wouldnt have any relevance to the bloody topic MUAHAHA >:)
and lol yeah try it for a couple of days make sure to let the famo know if your not ready and tell them how it is dont be scared about what they say or think because its not them at the end of the day its you....

thats the spirit
become the ninja that you are joke lol
insh'allah you keep to it
im happy that your willing to give it a go though

haha your not serious?
why dont you wear proper niqab and everything? but dont like karate chop me after lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DOlwLs9unA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17xb2AAkxa4

lol check out the ninja mum....she's a gangster trust me lol

lol really....thats funny you know lol
why would you dedicate a forum to them lol?....
and i can no officially imagine you as that mother
beating up her child lol and robbing his phone and yeah! lol

TPOS, dont worry...it wont be that bad... after all, its not like any other piece of garnment, this is something that will please Allah subhanahou wata'ala. so He isnt going to leave you on your own to deal with that, He'll inshallah help you out. after all, we're pretty bias people when it come to ourselves. and pretty undecisive. so its hard to make decisions for ourselves, inshallah you wont have to take it off again.

just remember, clear your intention and remember who you're doing this for. and remember... ME!!!!! text me anytime!!

what do you guys make of this ayah?

[qs:33:59]

their veils= jalaabihinna

hinna is the "their (feminin,plural)

so, veils = jalaab.

Arabic is a root verb sort of language.

The scholars in the past have translated the jilbaab as any look clothing that covers what needs to be covered and not limited to just the noun "jilbaab" which can have a changed meaning over time as I have read somewhere that the current jilbaab preferred in saudi is not actually what the jilbaab was back in the day...

Ocean wrote:

I have a Q regarding Ayahs that "command" or strongly advise you to do something and then it ends with "Allah is the Forgiver, The Most Merciful." Why is that?

Possibly to reiterate how limited our understanding is, meaning we might get it wrong, but then at the end of the day, trying our best is enough and Allah's the judge and he's 'most merciful'?

Or maybe as a motivational force, to remind us that we (should) love Him, as well as just obeying him?

Ocean wrote:

MakeMeRawr_8TeenF wrote:

Ocean wrote:

I have a Q regarding Ayahs that "command" or strongly advise you to do something and then it ends with "Allah is the Forgiver, The Most Merciful." Why is that?

Possibly to reiterate how limited our understanding is, meaning we might get it wrong, but then at the end of the day, trying our best is enough and Allah's the judge and he's 'most merciful'?

Or maybe as a motivational force, to remind us that we (should) love Him, as well as just obeying him?

That's what I think too but that's a bit too obvious no?

Or maybe it's just as simple as it is.

Oops ><

You're probably right and there's more to it, but I can't think of how much deeper it could go, unless maybe it's a Du'a?
Like, say, it's less to do with Allah talking to us, and more to do with us expressing our humility, maybe? Like "We've done our best, but we could be wrong, but You're merciful and Loving so please take pity on us" Kind of thing?

Ocean wrote:

Yep that's another possibility. this is where if you have a personal library full of Islamic Tafseer books would help

We were studying the Tafseer of "Bismillah ..." (all of it) and in it Illah (or "Allah") comes first and it's followed by Rahman and Raheem and the lady was mentioning how authoritative and scary "Allah" the name sounds and since it encompasses ALL of Allah's names it is softened up by his other more softer names that relaxes ones mind.

I was just wondering if it was the same thing here too?

I think it's for trying-your-best bit too but I don't know everything I do is now a Bid'ah :/

Yeah would be useful, though they always look a bit scary.

Thats really interesting actually, Makes sense. It could be, which is basically what we said to begin with, to soften the harshness of the direct command?

You what? :S Why is it?

tell ur biology techer that his mum and sisters without a jilbaab present more of hazard 2 mankind than ur jilbaab does in the biology lesson.

MakeMeRawr_8TeenF wrote:

Ocean wrote:

Yep that's another possibility. this is where if you have a personal library full of Islamic Tafseer books would help

We were studying the Tafseer of "Bismillah ..." (all of it) and in it Illah (or "Allah") comes first and it's followed by Rahman and Raheem and the lady was mentioning how authoritative and scary "Allah" the name sounds and since it encompasses ALL of Allah's names it is softened up by his other more softer names that relaxes ones mind.

I was just wondering if it was the same thing here too?

I think it's for trying-your-best bit too but I don't know everything I do is now a Bid'ah :/

Yeah would be useful, though they always look a bit scary.

Thats really interesting actually, Makes sense. It could be, which is basically what we said to begin with, to soften the harshness of the direct command?

You what? :S Why is it?

No idea.

Sometimes I think in verses mentioning punishment the words of mercy are after "if the people repent" potentially meaning that the harshest punishments can be reserved to the unrepentant and that forgiveness or leniency is an option.

As for others, no idea. Maybe to say "this may look harsh, but there is more behind it than meets the eye"?

It is a good question to ask a scholar.

Any regulars who attend religious classes wanting to ask this question?

You wrote:

Arabic is a root verb sort of language.

The scholars in the past have translated the jilbaab as any look clothing that covers what needs to be covered and not limited to just the noun "jilbaab" which can have a changed meaning over time as I have read somewhere that the current jilbaab preferred in saudi is not actually what the jilbaab was back in the day...

please, links?

@Ocean, what ayah would you like the tafseer of? the one i posted?

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

the master calligrapher wrote:

tell ur biology techer that his mum and sisters without a jilbaab present more of hazard 2 mankind than ur jilbaab does in the biology lesson.

lol (how would you back that up)

also when you're replying to a comment which isn't near the most recent one, click on the "quote" button instead of the reply button.

2 me thats just common sense.and thanx for the tip, am not that good with computers.

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

the master calligrapher wrote:

2 me thats just common sense.

To you it might be, but not to the person you're saying it too. It would be seen as rude, racist, silly etc.

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and thanx for the tip, am not that good with computers.

no probs

if had 2 say that 2 some1 in the first place i wouldnt care if they take it as silly racist or rude. The fact that i had 2 stress my point would b the only thing what matters 2 me.

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

I think we should all think about how we say things.

E.g If someone did say ^ that to their teacher they wouldn't actually get anything out of it and would make themselves (and other muslims?) look bad. However if they tried re-wording, choosing a different argument etc it could be different.

i just say what i feel, am not a diplomatic type of person, i just tell it how it is. although u are right.

am not saying that u are diplomatic, although at present times its good 2 b diplomatic,
am just saying that im not diplomatic, am just ruthless and deadly! where are u from? Im from Nelson.