Does a picture mean a photograph?
Or a drawing?

what exactly?

it can be a photo, drawing, sketch, painting whatever if the image contains an animate object like humans/animals, aliens if you believe in that lol then it applies to the hadith. course there are some muslims who dont agree with this or some who take pics and think its ok so long as they are hidden away in album. i dont know any scholars who permit it, but i am the uneducated sort. i prefer not to engage in it.

i do miss doing portraits though, and photography i was really good at it.

I don't entirely get this - if I asked about a matter of Jewish law and someone responded without sources but alluded to a dispute, whatever else they said I would consider my question unanswered. This is not to criticise Hajjar's answers but to raise the question of which scholars living historically and today, or which lines of thought, receive the most precedence when resolving disputes. This is a very open question, I am just hoping to understand something about Islamic law and the authority of various formulations.

Thanks Admin. What I'm wondering is if there is a commonly cited or highly respected text, modern or inherited, that catalogues the fatwas on these questions explaining maybe: "Sheikh Peter wrote that in places where it is not common to worship idols it is appropriate to have certain pictures in the house whereas Sheikh Paul after him taught that while Sheikh Peter was no doubt correct it would be a dangerous precedent for lesser mortals, and to avoid misunderstanding and temptation one should have no images. Sheikh Jack rejected either argument stating that across the Umah no Muslim should even go near an image, citing verse x, and today in the year of the coronation of King Bob most Muslims abide by the ruling of Sheikh Jack and may Allah have mercy on the others."

i didnt post any evidence because this topic has been done before several times. everytime i give evidence even if from scholars it is usually discarded so i did not bother. i dont want it to appear like im forcing my views on others. yes i was lazy i am sorry.

but sunnipath.com is good resource for your answer and many others.

We Shia muslims ask our Ayatollah if we are not sure about something. no one knows more than the Ayatollah. He is the top man who spends all life studying Quran and Hadith.
He says picture is not a photo or a drawing, painting etc. if it was, then TV would be haram. you wouldnt be able to pray in upstairs room if TV was on downstairs.
so use your brain. prophet did not mean what you think.
it means a statue. so if you have any sort of statue, its same idol, you may not worhip it, but angels dont like it, so they wont come in.
little transformers, and wodden toys, plastic dolls, and other glass figures and statues prevent angels from entering your home. these things are idols and as Torah also says God does not like images or idol and statues. thats why Jewish homes are so nice and clean of all idols.
Muslims home is also clean of statues and idol. We believe in one true God. we are not like christians who say 3 gods. that is idoltary.
we pray in a clean room. if you have statue idols then your namaz is also void. you got to pray in a statue free dog free home, and you got to take a bath after sleeping with your wife. any filth on your clothes or body makes the angels go away too.

if we in The Revival believe it is wrong to create images etc

then why do we have cartoons in the mag
why put a photos of celebs eg footballers on the magazine cover

not everything is black and white

to me it is black and white. ive yet to hear a fatwa saying images of animate objects permitted. they say permitted for need i.e id cards, passport etc. They dont say permitted socially or as a hobby i.e art. furthermore most evidence prophet and followers never did it. sure they had no cameras but they could have had their portraits sketched or painted as did the edwardians for example, why didn't they. i mean for sentimental reasons wouldn't they have had their childrens portraits done if it were allowed?

muslims do many things but we dont judge islamic laws on that basis islamic law should dictate our behaviour but we are human so we err. so yes revival may have pics, but so do many other islamic editorials. many muslims take photos, many muslims do animate art, muslims do a lot of things but this isn't the bar by which we lead our lives.

before i get blasted for appearing to be miss perfect. i am a sinner i have taken photos of friends and family in past, i did photograpy as part of coure at uni because i loved it so much. but i try not to do that anymore since i have seen evidence that islam does not allow it. i never had any photos taken at my wedding, or film footage. sometimes i wish i had 1 picture then i get cross with myself for wanting to go with my whims.

think you posted in wrong thread ebony? :idea: