I am a fundamentalist Muslim who, by the grace of Allah(swt), knows, follows and strives to practise the fundamentals of Islam.
A true Muslim does not shy away from being a fundamentalist. I am proud to be a fundamentalist Muslim because, I know that the fundamentals of Islam are beneficial to humanity and the whole world. There is not a single fundamental of Islam that causes harm or is against the interests of the human race as a whole.
Many people have misconceptions about Islam and consider several teachings of Islam to be unfair or improper. This is due to insufficient and incorrect knowledge of Islam. If one critically analyzes the teachings of Islam with an open mind, one cannot escape the fact that Islam is full of benefits both at the individual and collective levels.
A fundamentalist is a person who follows and adheres to the fundamentals of the doctrine or theory he is following. For a person to be a good doctor, he should know, follow, and practise the fundamentals of medicine. In other words, he should be a fundamentalist in the field of medicine. For a person to be a good mathematician, he should know, follow and practise the fundamentals of mathematics. He should be a fundamentalist in the field of mathematics.
One cant paint all fundamentalists with the same brush. Such a categorization of any fundamentalist will depend upon the field or activity in which he is a fundamentalist. A fundamentalist robber or thief causes harm to society and is therefore undesirable. A fundamentalist doctor, on the other hand, benefits society and earns much respect.
Before India achieved independence from British rule, some freedom fighters of India who did not subscribe to non-violence were labeled as terrorists by the British government. The same individuals have been lauded by Indians for the same activities and hailed as ‘patriots’. Thus two different labels have been given to the same people for the same set of actions. One is calling him a terrorist while the other is calling him a patriot. Those who believed that Britain had a right to rule over India called these people terrorists, while those who were of the view that Britain had no right to rule India called them patriots and freedom fighters.
It is therefore important that before a person is judged, he is given a fair hearing. Both sides of the argument should be heard, the situation should be analyzed,and the reason and the intention of the person should be taken into account, and then the person can be judged accordingly.
Yet today, due to the mass-media, the word fundamentalist brings to mind Muslim people who for whatever reason have resorted to blowing themself up. So inadertly many people assume that anyone who looks like a muslims (has a beard, covers head with a scarf) is a fundamentalist, but not in the terms you and i understand it but in the terms the media has depicted.
So people are you a fundamentalist Muslim, or not?
If you're such a fundementalist why are you promoting democracy on the "Islamophobia" thread.
the word "fundamentalist" was originally used to describe a Christian who believed in a literal interpretation of the bible, or its inerrancy. i can understand the usage of this word in relation to christianity because most Christians do not see the Bible as a revelation from God, and therefore accept that it contains contradictions and is not to be taken literally.
And thats y "fundamentalism" is non-applicable to Islam - because we believe in the Quran being the word of God, hence it does not contain any contradictions or errors and to be a practicing Muslim one follows its teachings unfailingly (along with the Ahadith). Therefore if one was to apply this Christian term to Islam, every single practicing Muslim is a "fundamentalist".
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Bro, your really a funny man that or you have me confused with some1 else/
Last i checked i did not even mention the word democracy, they only post i've made on the "Islamophobia" thread is a definition of the term "Islamophobia".
If your going to make statements like the above
it would make far more sense to provide evidence otherwise your merely making a fool of yourself.
Back in BLACK
Your statement suggests that you find the assertion that islam rejects democracy offensive.
I apologise if I'm wrong.
Use of the word fundementalist is problematic in reference to non-christian religions.
Muslims "liberals" would have us believe that muslims believeing the Qu'ran is the word of God is the same as Christians believeing that the Bible is.
This is wrong. Firstly the Qu'ran is revelation to Muhammed (SAW). The Bible doesn't come in the form of revelation rather it addresses the reader and is a record of events. One of the gospel writers claims he is writing because others are doing the same not because God has told him to.
Secondly there is only one version of the Qu'ran whereas there are different Bibles with big differences in the number of chapters.
Islamaphobes, esp. in the West, often attack Islam by saying it is incompatible with democracy.
Ofcourse there are Muslims who reject democracy too, but they're not saying it because they're trying to attack Islam.
that isnt seraph's "statement", its a wikipedia definition. :?
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u hav got to b kidding me! i havent come across a single muslim (and trust me, i've met quite a few 'liberals' :roll:) who says "the Quran is not the word of God"... :?
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I think Salaf means people who interpret the sources very liberaly. Not just people who seem not-very-religious.
They're called 'Progressives' in America. Amina Wadud's crowd.
I was really was talking about Irshad Manji.
I'm sure Amina Wadood believes the Qu'ran is the word of God.
However both of them have very faulty methodologies.
Amina Wadud says that many things mentioned in the Qu'ran are confined to the context of seventh century Arabia. However she's perfectly willing to use ambigious hadeeth to justify her deviant positions.
Irshad Manji on the other hand is just a mouth piece for Zionist think tanks in America. I don't even really beleive she's a "progressive muslim". She's just another of these disgruntled former left-wingers who are rebelling against what they used to be. She doesn't believe the Qu'ran is totally the word of God but again she is willing to use hadeeth and give them her own meaning.
To quote Apocalypse Now "I don't see any method at all"
salaam
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salaf, what is wrong with democracy?[/b]
it doesnt have to be western democracy or american democracy
u dont have to believe soverirgnty belongs to the people
muslims who believe in democracy believe sovereignty belongs to Allah, shura is another term for democracy where muslims choose their leaders, have elections, dont have a dictatorship and establish islam. u can be a true muslim, follow islam, establish shariah and believe in democracy.
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The "Constitution of Madinah"[/b]
Written in 622 CE, the "Constitution of Madinah," a treaty among Muslims, non-Muslim Arabs, and Jews of Madinah draws parallels with the Mayflower Compact of 1620 CE. The Prophet's last sermon draws parallels with the Bill of Rights. The Prophet's instruction to select his successor by consensus may be interpreted as democratic election.
Read the following two articles and you wil understand what I am on about
Forming an Islamic Democracy
http://www.islamonline.net/English/introducingislam/politics/Politics/ar...
Democracy in Islam
http://www.islamonline.net/English/introducingislam/politics/Politics/ar...
wasalaam
Irshad Manji makes me laugh.
The main problem with democracy is that its based on a philosophy that entails metaphysics. Accepting these would be a bidah.
Even if you just adopt the procedures without accepting the metaphysics that's still problematic because then you're just imitating non-muslims for no reason which I understand is haram.
Thank you, finally some1 who actually reads what i've written and doesn't start interpretating it in their own way. Jeez-la-weez.
Exactly!
Salaf; the holy prophet (pbuh) commanded us to live by the laws of the land in which we live. Thankfully we live in a country that allows us to freely practice our faith. And democracy is something is the only way to choose a successor fairly rather than some dumb ape apointing himself ruler coz he's big and hard.
Back in BLACK
Its not addressed to me, but I'll add to the answer:
Its deeply flawed with a number of means:
1. Instead of choosing the best, it forces us to choose the lesser of two evils.
2. the people with the voice are not necessarily the best, but those with big business behind them.
3. why should the minority have to suffer the majority?
4. In the UK Anti-labour is the majority. Just because they are not united in one group, why should they be kept out of power?
5. There is no basis for morals in democracy.
6. The leader is voted on chrisma rather than competence.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
IMO whether democracy is Islamically legit. or not depends on the definition of 'democracy'.
Western American and European style is un-Islamic for the reasons you have given, Admin.
But that is not to say that a 'democracy' cannot be set-up which follows Islamic traditions.
lol, i KNOW that irfan!
but anyway, salaf sed he's referring to manji; a different kinda fitnah altogether.
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Are you talking about Asra Nomani? I don't think she considers herself secular she has non-traditional views. It's clear from her descriptions of her hajj experience that she does feel a strong connection to islam. I think she's genuine she just has wrong ideas.
Irshad Manji on the other hand is just some ex-liberal zionist that others have dragged out of the gutter. Nomani at least neither presents herself as an academic nor do others present her that way. Manji however is presented as an academic when its pretty clear she isn't. She's a journalist.
Salam
I am not a fundamentalist Muslim.
I dont like literalism. Thats childish. Its suits people like Asiya.
I am a liberal, modern, reasonable Muslim.
I like living in the 21st century.
I love liberty, tolerance and human rights.
I also like democracy, when it is practised.
Omrow
So you don't think the Qur'an is the literal word of God?
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Salam
Words do not come out of God's mouth as they come out of your mouth. Literally.
God does not have a mouth. Nor a tongue.
Admin. Stop assuming that God looks like YOU !!
He is no way like you.
Therefore, it depends on what exactly you mean by your question.
Omrow
I do not assume the form of God.
After all form is a creation.
You must make sure that the quran is taken in context.
Apart from that it is the word of God as revealed to (and through) the prophet(saw).
PS just to help you out, I have added the word [A s i y a] to the banned words list
it will automatically change to Aasiyah from now on.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
You can do the same for 'Latifa', 'furball', and last but not least, 'Ifran'.
Let me guess:
L a t i f a - Latifah
I f r a n - Irfan
F u r b a l l - Lilsis
?
I have not done the lastone yet.
But is Ifran not also a (girls) name?
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
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Ok done the third one now.
Hope lilsis don't mind permanently being associated as a f u r b a l l :twisted:
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
No.
I mean I F R A N.
heh, it keeps changing, even when I don't want it to!
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Salam Muslims
Peace Non Muslims
To choose to being called fundamentalist, moderate, extremist, radicalist, comtemporarist or so on (however you define it) is to divide this noble Ummah into superficial groups mocking each other. This in essence will divert this noble Ummah from discussing the real cause of her misery to blaming each other.
Indeed this is what the Kuffar, the enemies of Islam, want. Hence they launched an aggressive campaign against the Muslim Ummah in Britain by pushing their obedient servants like the MCB and Muslims in the British police force to divide this Ummah into extremist and moderates (according to their definition) and to make the moderates confront the extremist.
This call is again like the call of Bush “you’re either with us or with the terrorist” you’re either a moderate Muslim (who loves queen and country and holds onto to secular values) or an extremist (who kills innocent people, with no provocation, in the name of Islam)
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Muslims must raise the discussion of the truthfulness of being Muslim that indeed Islam is the only truth based upon irrefutable proofs which is complete with its own political and spiritual systems and the Muslim is the one that submits to it wholeheartedly. The Muslims must not accept but also refute this initiative in dividing the Muslims, which are politically motivated to silence the Muslims with guilt so to make us feel deserving of their impending revenge.
At the end I ask Allah to help the Muslims in Britain in these testing times. Indeed the believers will be tested.
Salam Muslims
Peace Non Muslims
lol, thanx!!
edit: looks like i spoke too fast - ur gonna hav 2 add "Assiya" to that list of yours too... :roll:
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