Salam

BM wrote:

Who follows which Madhab (if indeed, any) ???

If not, then why not????

I'll start.......Hanafi.

Mohammedi.

Omrow

Err...

Isn't this thread a bit sectarian?

thread seems good to me.....this is thread of safety.........Hold rope hard !!!! Don't sway from the majority. All of major ulema followed madhab of four ulema....

I dont follow any madhab, my family and i just go with the decision that seems most correct.

Sumaiya wrote:

I dont follow any madhab, my family and i just go with the decision that seems most correct.

so what time do you pray asr then?

which seems 'most correct?'

Ya'qub wrote:

Sumaiya wrote:

I dont follow any madhab, my family and i just go with the decision that seems most correct.

so what time do you pray asr then?

which seems 'most correct?'

WHY ARE YOU ALWAYS TRYING TO FIND FAULT IN ME?! ITS LIKE IN EVERY FORUM YOUR CONTRADICTING ME!

we follow saudie prayer times

Sumaiya wrote:

Ya'qub wrote:

Sumaiya wrote:

I dont follow any madhab, my family and i just go with the decision that seems most correct.

so what time do you pray asr then?

which seems 'most correct?'

WHY ARE YOU ALWAYS TRYING TO FIND FAULT IN ME?! ITS LIKE IN EVERY FORUM YOUR CONTRADICTING ME!

we follow saudie prayer times

I think Ya'qub asked a reasonable question.

Also areas where there are difference of opinions, and there are loads. How do you know which one to follow?

Btw I think this thread is pointless.

We get a timetable from a mosque that follows Saudie and the times are pretty much the same as others.

MuslimBro wrote:

Btw I think this thread is pointless.

I agree. But im going to take this opportunity to repeat what I just wrote in another thread on the madhab issue! :

Quote:

There is a great book that recently came out, which I think is pertinent:
Al-La Madhhabiyya: Abandoning the Madhhabs

Other good books:

Principles of Islamic Jurisprudence

Understanding the Four Madhabs

The Four Imams and Their Schools

The Four Imams: Their lives,works and their Schools of Thought

The Differences of the Imams

Some articles from the Masud.co.uk website:

What is a Madhab? WHy is it necessary to follow one?

Understanding the four Madhabs. The Problem of Anti-Madhhabism

Who or what is a Salafi? Is their approach valid?

Why Muslims follow Madhabs

You are perfectly allowed to interpret and deduce rulings from the Qur'an and Sunnah yourselves, with the prerequisite that you fulfill the established conditions that have been laid out by our honourable Muslim scholars; i.e.:

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..the great scholars of usul laid down rigorous conditions which must be fulfilled by anyone wishing to claim the right of ijtihad for himself.[43] These conditions include:

mastery of the Arabic language, to minimise the possibility of misinterpreting Revelation on purely linguistic grounds;

(b) a profound knowledge of the Quran and Sunnah and the circumstances surrounding the revelation of each verse and hadith, together with a full knowledge of the Quranic and hadith commentaries, and a control of all the interpretative techniques discussed above;

(c) knowledge of the specialised disciplines of hadith, such as the assessment of narrators and of the matn [text];

(d) knowledge of the views of the Companions, Followers and the great imams, and of the positions and reasoning expounded in the textbooks of fiqh, combined with the knowledge of cases where a consensus (ijma) has been reached;

(e) knowledge of the science of juridical analogy (qiyas), its types and conditions;

knowledge of ones own society and of public interest (maslahah);

(g) knowing the general objectives (maqasid) of the Shariah;

(h) a high degree of intelligence and personal piety, combined with the Islamic virtues of compassion, courtesy, and modesty.

A scholar who has fulfilled these conditions can be considered a mujtahid fil-shar, and is not obliged, or even permitted, to follow an existing authoritative madhhab.[44]

source

All the 4 madhabs are upon the Ahlus Sunnah wa'l Jama'ah, and agree on about 75% of matters; its nothing to do with sectarianism. They simply differ on valid jursitic matters.

They use different measuring sticks.

While all of the rulings are valid, jumping from one to the other can be opportunistic to find the easiest solution.

Just imagine you have a yardstick and a meter stick. Both can be used for valid measurements.

but when buying you use meters, but when selling you use yards, that is opportunistic, since a yard is not a meter.

As for prayer times - I doubt any of us go out there and actually check the salaah times - we all go by calendars, usually by our local mosques.

I choose not to follow a school of thought for the following reason.

Person A is a follower Deobandi school of thought
Person B is a follower of Hanafi school of thought

Speaker: “Todays discussion of the day is are Muslims allowed to celebrate Prophets Muhammads ( P.B.U.H.) birthday?”

Person A – “Astaghfirullah, absolutely not, its a grave sin to be over praising the Prophet (P.B.U.H).”

Person B - (says to person A) “what you chatting bubbles for?” “Its not a sin if anything its a good Bid’ah.”

Person A- (says to person “hey punk who do you think your talking to?” “My school of thought says that celebrating the Mawlid is not allowed.”

Person B- (says to person A) “I'm talking to you. What you gonna do about it punk?” “My school of thought allows it so I think you will find your wrong dude.”

Person A-“No I think you will find your wrong. You Hanafi followers think you is all that but you aint. Your gonna rot in hell for what your doing.”

Person B –“we are all that and much more. Hanafi rules.”

Person A- (launches towards person you b***h

Person B – (lunches towards person A) you s**g

(THIS IS NOT AIMED AT ANYONE WHO FOLLOWS THE ABOVE SPECIFIC SCHOOLS OF THOUGHT. ITS JUST AN EXAMPLE.)

When ambiguous topics are discussed there will always be an argument as to who is right, The reason being, some Muslims choose to follow a particular thought of school thus creating a divide amongst the Muslim ummah which may I add is totally forbidden in Islam.

For me personally if a scholar can back up his argument with relevant verses from the Quran and Hadith which clearly support his argument then I'm listening but if the verses from the Quran have no relevance to the argument then keep walking.

Very amusing, but that argument is completely redundant Naz, because Deobandi is NOT a madhab.

It is a sect that FOLLOWS THE HANAFI MADHAB!!

I don't think there is any disagreements between different madhabs on this scale.

Anyway, madhabs are NOT a list of RULES!! They are an APPROACH TO INTERPRETING QU'RAN/HADITH. Two scholars from the same madhab can derive different rulings.

If you read a translation of the Qur'an, you will end up with someone's personal interpretation of the Qur'an. This is all well and good for us who don't speak Arabic, but it's not enough to start issuing rulings on how to live our life.

Also, hadith. Even if you memorise a translation of Bukhari and Muslim, there are hundreds and hundreds of different, Saheeh hadiths which haven't been translated into English, so you'll be missing a great big part of the Sunnah.

If you people would please stop
pussy footing around, and just answer the question that was asked.

Omrow wrote:

If you people would please stop
pussy footing around, and just answer the question that was asked.

Shafi'i

Does anyone watch the Q&A on Islam Channel?

I suggest you read the posts by sister Amal.

You cannot simply learn Arabic, you have to master the language. And even if you memorise the whole Qur'an, you still can't make your own ijtihad. It's not as simple as you think.

Try and study under a reliable scholar InshaAllah.

Using a translation to get the rulings technically IS following a madhab - you are accepting the author of the translation.

PS There is no such thing as a literal translation. All translations of anything involving more than a common noun would involve imbuing meaning to the words.

sumaiya if you FOLLOW a a saudi timetable than u r in actual fact a follower U R NOT USING YOUR opinion based on knowledge- ie u r a muqallid like the rest of us

BM wrote:

Who follows which Madhab (if indeed, any) ???

There are 4 schools of thought in Islam.

I am a Shia, and so I follow the 5th school of thought in Islam, the Jafari Madhab.

The Jafari school was established by Imam Jafar Sadiq, the teacher of Imam Malik and Imam Abu Hanfia.

Ya'qub wrote:

Very amusing, but that argument is completely redundant Naz, because Deobandi is NOT a madhab.

It is a sect that FOLLOWS THE HANAFI MADHAB!!

If thats the case then why does one allow Muslims to celebrate the Prophets birthday and the other doesnt?

Anyway the point i was trying to make was that each school has its own views on what is or isnt allowed (if they all had the same ruling there wouldnt be so many schools). When two ppl/ two groups get together to discuss an issue whereby their school of thought have different rulings then its gonna cause a conflict. I view this conflict as a divide amongst the ummah.

"You" wrote:

Using a translation to get the rulings technically IS following a madhab - you are accepting the author of the translation.

If your reading more than one Quran translation and drawing up your own conclusions then its not really following a madhab.

Naz, you are confusing the meaning of 'madhab' with 'sect'. Read my original post.

'Hanafis' don't say anything different from 'Deobandis', because Deobandi's follow the Hanafi madhab. Even I know this and I'm not from Pakistan!

What you mean about Mawlid, is the difference between Deobandis and Brelwis, these are not madhabs, they are jam'aats/sects. If they were madhabs they would accept the other group's opinion, but they don't!

While reading different translations of the Qur'an is better than reading just one translation, didn't you realise that a lot of Islamic rulings are based on hadith, as well as the Qur'an?

And many hadith books haven't been translated into English, so just reading Bukhari and Muslim does not mean you have access to all sources of Islamic knowledge.

But if you wish not to follow a madhab, then good for you. In my opinion it's far better than the majority of people, who just follow what there parents have told them. I think there's a danger of people making it 'fardh' to follow a madhab, which is clearly wrong. The five pillars of Islam are belief, prayer, fasting, zakat and hajj. A man came up to the Prophet and asked that if he JUST followed the five pillars and didn't do ANY extra worship, would that be enough for him to enter Paradise, and the answer was 'yes'.

Following a madhab is not a pillar of faith.

Hanafi.

Madhabs arenot sects! All four Imams were prepared t learn from each other, they all said that "if you see a verse in the Quran or an authentic Hadith that contradicts what I've said then follow that."

And there are even disagreements within the Madhabs. According to Dr Timothy Walker (he's a Muslim), the Pakistani Hanafi scholars say domestic violence is not a good enough reason for divorce, but the Malikis have unanimously pointed out that domestic violence is haram and it destroys the whole point of marriage. I don't know what the other Hanafi scholars or schools of thought think of this.

Another thing about following Madhabs is that the imam's came a generation before the Muhaddith's.

They had more and stronger sources to go by, which could have been weakened/lost by the time of the next generation, during which the hadith books were compiled/quantified/analysed.

You wrote:

Another thing about following Madhabs is that the imam's came a generation before the Muhaddith's.

They had more and stronger sources to go by, which could have been weakened/lost by the time of the next generation, during which the hadith books were compiled/quantified/analysed.

Also, in terms of Abu Hanifa, many ahadith were NOT available in the Iraq region, til after he passed away.

So fatawa can be different from what he said, and still be 'Hanafi' fatawa.

I think MuslimBro is very knowledgeable on this topic.

The students of Imam Abu Hanfia (rh) were the teachers of Imam Bukhari (rh), so how someone can reject the four Madhab and take Ahadith from Bukhari shareef and Sahih Muslim is beyond me, if you accept Ahadith from Sahih Bukhari you accept Imam Abu Hanifa (rh) and his Madhab (note: i'm not saying you become a hanafi).

The Four Imams: Their lives, works and their Schools of Thought by Muhammad Abu Zahra - A book about the four Imams, a good read.

@ Ya'qub
Ok I have re read your original post and this is how it reads to me. You said Deobandis is not a Madhab but a “sect”. Now from my understanding the Deobandis state that celebrating the Mawlid is not allowed. Here is the evidence to support the above statement.

Mawlid

The Hanafi school of thought allows Muslims to celebrate the Mawlid.

So how is it that a Muslim who is a Deobandis can then follow the Hanafi school of thought? It clearly contradicts what their sect states.

Or do they just ignore what their sect states and follow the ruling of the Hanafi Madhab? :? :? :?

Ya’qub wrote:

didn't you realise that a lot of Islamic rulings are based on hadith, as well as the Qur'an?

Yes I am aware of this.

Ya’qub wrote:

And many hadith books haven't been translated into English, so just reading Bukhari and Muslim does not mean you have access to all sources of Islamic knowledge.

I have access to Bukhari, Muslim, Malik and Dawud

*sigh*