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Cuttlefish says I.
Let us not, dear friends, forget our dear friends, the cuttlefish. Flipping glorious little fishies. Pen 'em up together, and they will devour each other without a second thought. Human nature, isn't it? Or.. fish nature. So yes you can live with a cohabitee, and throw glorious tea parties and one of you will be dead within a month or near enough. which seems rather grim to me, anyway you slice it.
Allow me to lend a machete to your intellectual thicket. Back in 2001 there were 28.6 million men in the UK and 30.2 million women. Which means if they were all paired off... and a pair being two people. There would still be 1.6 million spinsters left. To which, can we infact pretend that they aren't anything but women scorned, like which fury hell hath no. We cannot Res ipsa loquitor, tabula in naufragio, we are left but with one option: I agree with, and i cannot believe the words are coming out of me mouth, Amal. Allow the buggers to marry more than one.
And now gentlemen, I wash my hands of this weirdness.
Back in BLACK
In order for a Nikah to be recognised in the English courts, it needs to be registered as a civil marriage (usually at the local council). Otherwise the nikahfied couple are recognised as cohabitees under UK law and will be treated as such..
So a nikah (ie marriage contract) is essentially a private matter - whether you have one nikah or four, it would not be regarded as illegal. Obviously 2nd wife would not be protected under English Law if in the future things became sour, which is something that needs to be considered by the parties involved.. (the way around this could possibly be to include clauses in your nikah contract addressing matters like children's custody, inheritance, etc - and so treat it as a legal contract to be later enforcable under English law should the need arise)
If in the future matters progress and the Nikah is finally recognised within English law (similar to the way that the Jewish Ketubah / Beth Din Court is today), then its time to talk about the legalities..
In regards to polgnany/2nd wife.. Believe me, not all men are MAN enough to have the honour of ONE wife, let alone 2.. In fact, VERY FEW men today imo are truly able, deserving, and worth the chance and privilege to have a 2nd wife.. Wives deserve to ALWAYS be treated as Queens, and men are going to be asked to account on their treatment on the day of Judgement.. Imagine what it'd be like if you had 2 to account for :shock: - not only that - but the requirement to treat them both equally and ensure that ALL their wants, needs and happiness were catered for to their satisfaction throughout their marriage..
Also, the idea of a 2nd wife is to care for impoverished or needy women, women who are widows or have no-one to care for them, and NOT marrying the next Miss Bollywood :roll: If you are a guy, ask yourself, for example, if you would be agreeable/comfortable to marrying a woman 5 years + older than you right now..
If not, then polygany is probably not for you.. and Allah swt knows best
May Allah shine sweet faith upon you this day and times beyond. May your heart be enriched with peace, and may your home be blessed always. Ameen.
R v Allen (1872) Yes, indeed.
The man was married, and then later got married to a second woman, who was his cousin (I don't think he was Asian!).
As it is illegal to marry 2 people at once, he was taken to court.
His lawyer argued that, because the second woman was his 1st cousin and therefore it was impossible to marry her in English law, the second marriage was void and therefore he was innocent.
The judge 'breathed new words' into the law, and said that it was illegal to marry or to 'go through a wedding service' too, so the man was indeed guilty of bigamy.
So therefore, I guess going through more than one nikah is probably illegal in Britain - [b]even though[/b] a nikah is not recognised as a valid marriage yet (I'm pretty sure this will change in the not-to-distant future).
Don't just do something! Stand there.
He was married two women under the English law that is bigamy because the English law says you can only have 1 wife. If a man gets married under both Islamic and English law then the women is considered his wife. If he them marries another women under both laws that would be bigamy but if he only went through the Islamic ceremony then its not bigamy coz the English law does not recognise that ceremony. She would be classed as his girlfriend in English law.
For example if a man gets married to a women in Pakistan when he brings her over they must go to the registry office to get married again under the English law coz until they do they are just boyfriend and girlfriend.
No not the gum drop buttons! – Gingy
If you thought that was bad, imagine what's going to happen in the future. The female population will rise so much that there will be fifty women for one man, ie. one million men and fifty million women, scary isn't it.
I wouldn't think five years is a big deal for most guys (I could be wrong). But it would be awkward telling your parents.
Guy: Mum, dad, I want to have another wife.
Parents: [img]http://www.riderforums.com/images/smilies/idiot.gif[/img]
or
Guy: Mum, dad, I want to have another wife.
Parents: Erm..... ok
If men all took more that one wife the female population would rise a lot quicker than that. But that doesn't mean that the proportion of women to men would change. Actually 28.6:30.2 isn't a ratio that much supports taking more than one wife - the vast majority of men would have to settle for one, or else we'd need a situation where women could also take more than one husband until it all evened out. That's if all those 1.6m extra women are especially looking to marry. I guess there isn't a problem and the "more women than men" thing is a silly argument.
Are you referring to what I said about the female population outnumbering men by 50:1?
No, I was referring to any argument that more women than men means men should take more wives just to soak up all the singles. But the 50:1 thing obviously doesn't make sense, there's no reason the ratio should change.
Please stop being so touchy!
Actually it can change if the alles of men passing on is chaning then there could be a likelyhood of more women being born hence the argument being quite concrete, plus the prophet pbuh said it so it must be true but you being a jew would believe that.
Those who danced were thought to be quite insane, by those who couldn't hear the music...
The what?
The what?
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
I was just checking. Dude you need to chill.
Btw what I said is a sign of the Day of Judgement, so as Muslims we're supposed to believe in it.
You talking to me?
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Aaaah. The alles. OK. :?
"California Über Alles" was the first single by the Dead Kennedys. The record was released in June 1979 on Optional Music with "The Man with the Dogs" as the b-side. The title track was re-recorded for the band's first album, Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables (1980), and the version that appeared on this single, as well as the single's b-side, are available on the rarities album Give Me Convenience or Give Me Death (1987).
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Thanks for clearing it up!
No Sir.
I was talking to Joie..... Sir!
The Kennedys are dead!?!!
wo-ow. Its been a big day. A very big day.
Don't just do something! Stand there.
Let's all hold hands.
Kumbayaa my Lord, kumbayaaaaa...
Question if they were dead, how did they release the singles? Seems like a conspiracy even bigger than Tupac!
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Admin! Come on...
Oh Lord, kumbayaaa. Kumbayaa my Lord...
You just missed the opportunity to make a pun about the Notorious B.I.G.
You will learn in due course...
Don't just do something! Stand there.
Yeah but you can't literally be married to 2 people at a time according to English law. So the judge ruled that going through a "marriage" ceremony is illegal, whether accepted by English law or not. As far as I know no other case or Act of Parliament has amended this.
Case closed. Take him away!
Chin up, mate! Life's too short.
Am I the only one talking about the original topic? I need a second opinion. Muslims need a second opinion.
Chin up, mate! Life's too short.
i meant allelles i missed out an l or two
Those who danced were thought to be quite insane, by those who couldn't hear the music...
Could you not just say "get a genetic disorder" instead of "the alles of men passing on is chaning"?
and the answer is no - passing on of disorders would take many generations during which time the effect would be noticed and something could potentially be done about it.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
It is not a disorder its like genes but it determines whether you have blonde hair or brown or blue eyes your gender etc
Those who danced were thought to be quite insane, by those who couldn't hear the music...
It is not a "disorder" until it has negative effects. sickle cell anaemia for one is definitely a disorder...
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
When the judge was going on about the ceremony he was referring to the English ceremony. Why would he be referring to all types of cermonies? If Islamic ceremonies are recognised in the UK then why do couples have to go to the register office to get married again under ENGLISH LAW?
Why is Akon not locked up bigmy then?
No not the gum drop buttons! – Gingy
because polygamy is not illegal in the whole of the US
Don't just do something! Stand there.
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