I thinks its a little unrealistic to put all of the blame for the collapse of human society on feminism. Women are not expected to raise their children anymore. They just feed them and put them in front of a television. Thats why kids in Britain are becoming so screwed up now. Their mothers didn't give them any attention when they were younger.

"chm1" wrote:

You can not claim to be religious as well as a feminist. The two simply contradict each other.

thats depends on a person's understanding of "feminist"

a religious lady I know spends a lot of her time fighting for women's right in the Mosque

she gets accused of being a feminist

"MuslimSisLilSis" wrote:

"chm1" wrote:

You can not claim to be religious as well as a feminist. The two simply contradict each other.

thats depends on a person's understanding of "feminist"

a religious lady I know spends a lot of her time fighting for women's right in the Mosque

she gets accused of being a feminist

being accused of being a feminist and being a feminist is two different things.

Being a feminist can contradict Islamic treachings.

if a woman starts sticking up for womens rights she gets accused of being a feminist

this shows that the term "feminist" means diff things to diff people

I also know that there are diff TYPES of feminist

and the less radical type dont mean that a woman is contradicting islamic teachngs

"MuslimSisLilSis" wrote:

if a woman starts sticking up for womens rights she gets accused of being a feminist

this shows that the term "feminist" means diff things to diff people

I also know that there are diff TYPES of feminist

and the less radical type dont mean that a woman is contradicting islamic teachngs

Insults are never used in their true meaning, but for insulting!

"Admin" wrote:

Insults are never used in their true meaning, but for insulting!

So that means that whenever I call u a loner-I really mean something else?

such as what?

When I say Loner-do I really mean "your not really a Loner but a social butterfly?" :roll:

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"yashmaki" wrote:

Muslim women who are fighting for women's basics rights as they stand in Islam are not feminists in the modern sense of the word. They are an asset to the ummah. They are highlighting injustices done to women under the guise of Islam. People who call these women feminists are usually those same muslim men who are hell bent on ensuring their wives never see light of day, beyond the kitchen window.

Salaam

It’s true.

When women’s rights are taken away one can’t blame women creating a fuss. And who cares if they are accused of being Feminists…..sticking up for the rights of women does NOT make one a feminist.

Last year I visited Medina and I found out that women were only allowed to visit the Tomb of the Holy Prophet between 9:30 to 11:30 whilst men could visit it the rest of the day…they could even read their Salaah there whilst women couldn’t…

So when thousands of women from all over the world are given a measly two hours in the day to convey their Salaams and read prayer in the spot that is considered a piece of heaven…obviously not everyone will get a chance.

On most days by the time I managed to get to the front of the queue it was closing time…

There was a Pakistani lady with me who pointed out that “Someone should tell these Arabs that the Holy Prophet was sent as a blessing to Mankind to men AND women”

Once in the evening some frustrated Shia ladies, gate crashed and went into the tomb even though it was full of men….they refused to budge and the guards wouldn’t touch them cos they were women…they managed to do what they wanted to do before the men of the family escorted them away.

I didn’t blame them at all; I wish I had the guts to do that as well.

Wasalaam

I think Admins right-you're confusing feminism with standing up for womens rights. I stated my post in the context of wanting to be so equal to men that you are prepared to contradict the teachings of Islam.

Muslim Sister you're right, the unfair treatment of women in makkah is simply to do with Saudi being a male dominated society.

Yes, I agree with muslim sister, its not fair

I haven't been there so I don't know but maybe there are more men then women.

"MuslimSister" wrote:

Last year I visited Medina and I found out that women were only allowed to visit the Tomb of the Holy Prophet between 9:30 to 11:30 whilst men could visit it the rest of the day…they could even read their Salaah there whilst women couldn’t…

So when thousands of women from all over the world are given a measly two hours in the day to convey their Salaams and read prayer in the spot that is considered a piece of heaven…obviously not everyone will get a chance.

On most days by the time I managed to get to the front of the queue it was closing time…

There was a Pakistani lady with me who pointed out that “Someone should tell these Arabs that the Holy Prophet was sent as a blessing to Mankind to men AND women”

Once in the evening some frustrated Shia ladies, gate crashed and went into the tomb even though it was full of men….they refused to budge and the guards wouldn’t touch them cos they were women…they managed to do what they wanted to do before the men of the family escorted them away.

I didn’t blame them at all; I wish I had the guts to do that as well.

i heard they introduced that measure because women are more emotional and so would get too loud, and did things at the tomb which saudi authorities did not agree with (as we all know saudis are particular about the whole "grave-worshipping" issue... i ges it was summat to do with that). but i think thats unfair to those women who control themselves. if i didnt get the chance to visit that spot then i would do what those shi'a ladies did, lol.

"yashmaki" wrote:

Assalamu Alaikum,

Islam teaches us that men and women are inherently different. We are two separate genders with contrasting and complimenting traits. Women are naturally better at certain tasks over men, and men are naturally better at certain tasks over women. i.e physically men are stronger than women in most cases. Islam teaches us to embrace these differences, these make us the unique genders we are. These gender differences don't make us more inferior or superior.

The feminist movement however refuses to accept that women and men are inherently different. It claims in every facet of life women are equal to men unquestionably. This narrow minded attitude is what is dangerous and contradicts Islam.

Muslim women who are fighting for women's basics rights as they stand in Islam are not feminists in the modern sense of the word. They are an asset to the ummah. They are highlighting injustices done to women under the guise of Islam. People who call these women feminists are usually those same muslim men who are hell bent on ensuring their wives never see light of day, beyond the kitchen window.

i agree with exactly that^.

"Aasiyah" wrote:

i heard they introduced that measure because women are more emotional and so would get too loud, and did things at the tomb which saudi authorities did not agree with (as we all know saudis are particular about the whole "grave-worshipping" issue... i ges it was summat to do with that). but i think thats unfair to those women who control themselves. if i didnt get the chance to visit that spot then i would do what those shi'a ladies did, lol.

if thats tru then thats a stupid reason-

SOME women cant control themselves so they shud limit acess there for them all?

i went umrah when I was about 12 in ramadan, and I remember that area being extremly congested with women shoving and pushing, and I remember falling on the floor with couple of ladies falling on top of me

I remember it being MORE congested then the tawaaf

and this was because they shoved thousands of women in one small room for only two hours

if it was spaced out like it was for the men then there wouldnt be so much hysteria

if anything THEY are responsible for the chaotic atmosphere that is there at the moment

"MuslimSisLilSis" wrote:

"Aasiyah" wrote:

i heard they introduced that measure because women are more emotional and so would get too loud, and did things at the tomb which saudi authorities did not agree with (as we all know saudis are particular about the whole "grave-worshipping" issue... i ges it was summat to do with that). but i think thats unfair to those women who control themselves. if i didnt get the chance to visit that spot then i would do what those shi'a ladies did, lol.

if thats tru then thats a stupid reason-

SOME women cant control themselves so they shud limit acess there for them all?

i went umrah when I was about 12 in ramadan, and I remember that area being extremly congested with women shoving and pushing, and I remember falling on the floor with couple of ladies falling on top of me

I remember it being MORE congested then the tawaaf

and this was because they shoved thousands of women in one small room for only two hours

if it was spaced out like it was for the men then there wouldnt be so much hysteria

if anything THEY are responsible for the chaotic atmosphere that is there at the moment

lol, good point, i went as a kid and i pretty much remember it like that too - except i dont think we even had a time restriction then! but the female mutawwa were there to prevent anyone being too loud or "unIslamic" anyway, so i dont c y they couldnt just continue that. but yeh, the space being smaller is so unfair!! :?
i think this whole matter is made worse by the fact that there is no concept of "queuing" in Saudi Arabia... it does my head in!