The khalifa system

Published by lollywood on 15 April, 2012 - 21:26

The term khalifa, "dominion of ('successor') refers to the first system of government established in Islam and represented the leaders unity of the Muslim Ummah (community
In theory, it is an aristocratic–constitutional republic

(the Constitution being the Constitution of Medina), which means that the head of state, the khalifa, and other officials are representatives of the people and of Islam and must govern according to constitutional and religious law, or Sharia. In its early days

The Khalifa was often known as Amir al-Muminin "Commander of the Believers". Mohammed established his capital in Medina, and after he died it remained the capital for the Rashidun period.
At times in Muslim history there have been rival claimant khalifa's in different parts of the Islamic world, and divisions between the Shia and Sunni communities

After the first four caliphs, the Caliphate was claimed by dynasties such as the Umayyads, the Abbasids, and the Ottomans, and for relatively short periods by other, competing dynasties in al-Andalus, North Africa, and Egypt. Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, who abolished sultanate after Abdülmecid II officially abolished the system of Caliphate in Islam

(The Islamic system failed) It ended in FITNA

There were numerous rebellions against the Umayyads, as well as splits within the Umayyad ranks (notably, the rivalry between Yaman and Qays). Eventually, supporters of the Banu Hashim and the supporters of the lineage of Ali united to bring down the Umayyads in 750.
the period of the Abbasid dynasty, Abbasid claims to the caliphate did not go unchallenged.

The Shiʻa Ubayd Allah al-Mahdi Billah of the Fatimid dynasty, which claimed descent from Muhammad through his daughter, claimed the title of Caliph in 909, creating a separate line of caliphs in North Africa.

Muslims want the non-Muslims living in Muslims countries to pay Jizya tax how about if non-Muslim countries made a rule that Muslims living in non-Musilm countries have to pay a tax like that how would they feel?

Submitted by TPOS on 15 April, 2012 - 21:36

We already pay a tax here...

And it's there to make sure everyone pays money to go towards the welfare system. Muslims will be paying money too.

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"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi

Submitted by Foysol89 on 16 April, 2012 - 03:18

-__- why are you still here? Your arguments never make sense

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Lets reunite the ummah under one flag LA ILAHA IL ALLAH MUHAMMADUR RASULULLAH

Submitted by lollywood on 16 April, 2012 - 17:53

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:
We already pay a tax here...

Everyone pays tax here, they don't say that you have to pay tax because you belong to a different faith

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

And it's there to make sure everyone pays money to go towards the welfare system. Muslims will be paying money too.

I don't think any Muslims country has a welfare system

That money would go towards Muslims and not the minorities

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My English is not very good

Submitted by TPOS on 16 April, 2012 - 18:10

What has a Muslim country got to do with anything?

We're talking about the Khilafa (& shariah law) - which is not used by any 'Muslim' country.

NO the money would go towards everyone.

Part of a statement by Umar (ra):

Be gracious to the Bedouins as they are the backbone of the Arab nation. I instruct you to be good to the Dhimmis for they are your responsibility. Do not tax them beyond their capacity.

Ensure that they pay the Jizya without undue inconvenience.

Fear God, and in all that you do keep His pleasure in view.

In the matter of people fear God, and in the matter of Allah do not be afraid of the people. With regard to the people, I enjoin upon you to administer justice with an even hand. See that all the legitimate requirements of the people are met. Be concerned for their welfare. Ensure the safety of their person and property. See that the frontiers of our domains are not violated.

Take strong steps to guard the frontiers. In the matter of administration do not prefer the rich to the poor. Be hard against those who violate the law. Show them no mercy. Do not rest content until you have brought the miscreants to book. Treat all the people as equal. Be a pillar of strength for those who are weak and oppressed. Those who are strong but do wrong, make them pay for their wrong-doings. In the distribution of booty and other matters be above nepotism.

Saeed M Mohtsham cites from Caliph Umar's rule in his research paper Vision and Visionary Leadership – An Islamic Perspective:
"He used to monitor very closely the public policy and had kept the needs of the public central to his leadership approach. As second caliph of Islam, he refused to chop off the hands of the thieves because he felt he had fallen short of his responsibility to provide meaningful employment to all his subjects. As a ruler of a vast kingdom, His vision was to ensure that every one in his kingdom should sleep on a full stomach.

"If a dog dies hungry on the banks of the River Euphrates, Umar will be responsible for dereliction of duty."
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He also knew that just having a vision is not enough unless it is supported by effective strategies. He didn’t only have a vision; he truly transformed his vision into actions. For example, to ensure that nobody sleeps hungry in his empire, he used to walk through the streets almost every night to see if there is any one needy or ill."

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"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi

Submitted by You on 16 April, 2012 - 18:27

There is no one way to tax and collection.

The Jizya system was for minorities who did not want to be a part of the overall empire - they were protected but were then not required to defend the realm and more.

And there is precedence when communities wanted to pay something other than jizya, agreement was reached too.

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"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

Submitted by lollywood on 16 April, 2012 - 19:15

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:
What has a Muslim country got to do with anything?

Because its Muslim countries that had this system

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

We're talking about the Khilafa (& shariah law) - which is not used by any 'Muslim' country.

If they're not using the system that means they’re going against Allah and Allah's law

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

NO the money would go towards everyone.

It's a hard one to comment on as we can not be sure

Part of a statement by Umar (ra):

Be gracious to the Bedouins as they are the backbone of the Arab nation.

What that means is that they're slaves

I instruct you to be good to the Dhimmis for they are your responsibility. Do not tax them beyond their capacity.

If you were so concerned about them you would not tax them in the first place

Fear God, and in all that you do keep His pleasure in view.

So God gets pleasure in exploiting weak people?
The whole point of this tax was that one day the people would have no money left and they would convert

With regard to the people, I enjoin upon you to administer justice with an even hand. See that all the legitimate requirements of the people are met.

How is it justice that Muslims pay no tax and the non-Mus;ims do just because they're not of that faith?

Be concerned for their welfare. Ensure the safety of their person and property. See that the frontiers of our domains are not violated.

Of course they would because they get money from them

Treat all the people as equal. Be a pillar of strength for those who are weak and oppressed.

LOL, why the tax?

Those who are strong but do wrong, make them pay for their wrong-doings. In the distribution of booty and other matters be above nepotism.

I wonder how many Muslims were ever held accountable for their crimes?

He also knew that just having a vision is not enough unless it is supported by effective strategies. He didn’t only have a vision; he truly transformed his vision into actions. For example, to ensure that nobody sleeps hungry in his empire, he used to walk through the streets almost every night to see if there is any one needy or ill."

If this system is so great then why doesn’t every Middle Eastern country go with it?

Gaddafi had a gun made out of gold
Saddam had a toilet seat made out of gold
Zardari has many house's around the world UK, France, Dubai
Gilani family (maal pani)they also have lots of wealth none of them care about what the people do or think

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My English is not very good

Submitted by TPOS on 16 April, 2012 - 19:19

please take your silly comments elsewhere.

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"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi

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