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im not blaming muslims for the way muslims are being treated
did i blame muslims?
perhaps i shud re-read my posts, or maybe someone is putting words in my mouth :evil:
n 1 more point to clear up on
do u consider OBL to be a muslim?
I would say that that line suggests you are blaming a specific person.
I am just saying that I dont accept that Jenab Usama bin Ladin Sahib has caused our problems, I blame it squarely on the non-muslims. and i aint budging from that.
Do I consider ''OBL'' to be muslim?
Without a shadow of doubt I consider Jenab Usama bin Ladin Sahib to be muslim, just as I consider Mullah Muhammad Umar Sahib to be muslim, and Jenab Tahir ul Qadri Sahib to be muslim, and Jenab Nasiruddeen al Albaani Sahib to be a muslim, and Mufti Gul Rahman Sahib to be muslim, and Mawlana Tariq Jameel Sahib to be muslim, and Mawlana Sami ul Haq Sahib to be muslim.
lol I am not takfeeri.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
correct me if im wrong
bin laden created an even bigger divide between muslims and none muslims, racism has gone up
so i think i can blame OBL for most of it, as he is responsible for stupid niave kids getting influenced and thinking they should express 'islam' by blowing themselves up :evil:
k, I think u have made ur point, and I have made mine.
Anything beyond this will be going round in circles yes?
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
not ready to give up yet
i think u should admit i am right and u r wrong
sorry but i cant do that!
I cant blame Jenab Usama bin Ladin Sahib. its not in me.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
so easily influenced
dont tell me u believe the rubbish that comes out of his mouth?
next u'll be telling me u have decided to join them
well he has made fatwa's. He is not a scholar.
His followers are killing innocent people.
Islam and muslims are getting the blame.
So I will blame that idiot.
He is a terrorist. Do youknow the punishment for terrorism in islam?
It is rather brutal.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
I wasnt aware this was a thread for us to declare our loyalty or enmity to ''Al Qa'ida''.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
Read the title.
This topic is to discuss Alqaeda.
That involves loyalty and enmity.
And I do not agree with the sentiment that we should never criticise muslims.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
im scared.....u didnt answer the question
does this mean u r planning to join
can i ask a really big favor...stay away from me...there's so many things i still need to do...
however, if u get caught later on for terrorism, look me up if u ever need legal representation
thats if im still alive
couldnt have put it better myself
I think that post makes clear my position. I dont feel the need to condemn and make a heaven-earth difference between myself and al qa'ida cos I dnt knw what it is, if it exists, if the stuff they claim responsibility for is really them claiming responsibilty or if som1 else is impersonating them etc.
Nor do I feel a great need to defend them, y shud I waste my energy defending something I dont know anything about.
All I need to do is say that the innocent who are killed in trains, buses, etc are innocent and killing them is rong.
IMO I can only comment on the bit I KNOW abt, I dnt knw abt al qa'ida or what they do preach and what the dont. I comment on things of substance as opposed to jumping on the global badnwagon and condemning something that at the moment to me seems entirely superficial.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
u were defending the guy a minute ago, and now u r making out like u've never heard of OBL?
defending, I merely stated that I wouldnt sy anything bad about Jenab Usama bin Ladin Sahib.
Yes, i know a great deal about him.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
criticise? yes, if necessary. but condemn? never.
on this topic, scholars usually say 'we condemn the acts, but it is not for us to condemn the people, we leave that to Allah (swt)'
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[b]THERE[i] IS [/i]A LINK BETWEEN AL QAEDA AND SADDAM HUSSAIN[/b]
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The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
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_____________- -SupeRazor- -_______________
Some ppl make their goals the stars.
They may live n die n never reach the stars,
but in the darkness of the night, those stars will guide them to their destination.
Becuz they made them in their eyesight
http://www.sho.com/site/sleepercell/home.do
Sleeper Cell - new drama about al-qaeda dudes in america, except they look, act, speak like americans
looks dodgy, and typical american....................the trailer on the site is not the same i saw on tv 2day
in that one, it showed guys praying, sum people holding Qurans, guy talkin about taliban being in america and what the program is about
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
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[b][i]Round and round the Ka'bah,
Like a good Sahabah,
One step, Two step,
All the way to jannah[/i][/b]
med supports taliba, so obviously will support ladin
how any muslim can is beyond belief
but i think u and yuit do, coz he's Muslim
Med , coming back...never in a million years....
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[b][i]Round and round the Ka'bah,
Like a good Sahabah,
One step, Two step,
All the way to jannah[/i][/b]
u tell em
u have to look at it in light of his comments on OBL in other threads, on other occasions. (which u may no longer be able to see because he swiftly deleted his comments, God alone knows why)
some of us dont 'condemn' OBL but we dont feel the need to call him 'Jenab' either. :?
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[b][i]Round and round the Ka'bah,
Like a good Sahabah,
One step, Two step,
All the way to jannah[/i][/b]
Janab is a term used for respect, not because you dont condemn them
did anyone watch the trailer for Sleeper Cell????
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
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sorry for doing a Med. but no point takin part if my posts are gna be deleted.. yep even the ones where I didnt break the swearing rules.
[b][i]Round and round the Ka'bah,
Like a good Sahabah,
One step, Two step,
All the way to jannah[/i][/b]
bigging up/respecting a man who has been accused by most people of being reponsible for the killings of thousands does = support
God knows why the hell people don't just come out and openly express their support instead of playing about with words or doing U turns by deleting posts
maybe this is cos they're secretly ashamed of supporting an extremist
Salam
Osama Bin Laden is worse than a bin liner.
He has blood on his hands.
He murdered Christians, Jews and Muslims.
According to the teachings of Prophet Muhammad he should be hung.
Ideally, I want to see him hang from the Empire State Building in New York on September 11, 2011.
Omrow
I do not feel any muslim should be compelled to condemn OBL.
This apologist attitude is self-defeating.
why do we have to qualify our sayings?
'I condemn OBL, but my point is blah blah...' should just be 'My point is blah blah'.
and 'Ed OBL has support because many muslims support him in some way. they may not agree with his actions, but many do understand his anger.
actually, we all should understand his anger.
at times I feel just as angry. and there is nothing I can do to change anything.
Its all hopeless.
some then want revenge. Not justice, but revenge. create the carnage created by the 'civilised world' inside the civilised world. What better irony?
You gotta understand the frame of mind before you can do anything.
what if you feel those who voted Blair even after the attrocities commited should be punished? what is the punishment for rubberstamping indescriminate murder?
we can all condemn. But that is like burying our heads in the sand.
I better finish before I wind myself up too much thinking about this...
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
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