You are calling the sunnah of God himself a bid'ah... marvelous. ([qs:19:15])

PS can you please stick to making all your posts on a specific topic in ONE topic... otherwise they will be deleted.

The qur'an commands the people to proclaim and rejoice the favours that He (swt) has granted us, so if you feel the Prophet is not a favopur onto us, then by all means, mourn instead of celebrating.

The Prophet fasted every monday to celebrate his birthday. Abu Lahab, a great enemy of the Prophet had his punishment in the grave lessened on mondays - and this was for celebrating the Prophet (saw)'s birth before he even knew of the message, which he rejected and fought against.

no the monday fasting was about the monday and thursday fast muhammad SAW did, its jsut another fabrication made by people, and where does it say in the quran to celebrate muhammad SAW birthday? their is not a single verse, and that quote of the quran isnt even reffering to milad un nabi or to do any nonsense act, go check the milad un nabi history, were it came from, it came 2 centuaries after the death of muhammad SAW and it was invented by the shias/innovated by shias, so your celebrating something innovated by the shias, notonly that but check this hadith, muhammad SAW said "DO NOT celebrate my birthday like the christian do for jesus" so if muhamamd SAW himself stated not to do it who are you to make a false statement out of nowhere.

awlia wrote:

no the monday fasting was about the monday and thursday fast muhammad SAW did, its jsut another fabrication made by people, and where does it say in the quran to celebrate muhammad SAW birthday? their is not a single verse, and that quote of the quran isnt even reffering to milad un nabi or to do any nonsense act, go check the milad un nabi history, were it came from, it came 2 centuaries after the death of muhammad SAW and it was invented by the shias/innovated by shias, so your celebrating something innovated by the shias, notonly that but check this hadith, muhammad SAW said "DO NOT celebrate my birthday like the christian do for jesus" so if muhamamd SAW himself stated not to do it who are you to make a false statement out of nowhere.

You literalist. It doesn't say in the Quran to come on the revival and hassle the 'sufis'.

@ awlia - it may not be referring to the Prophet's birthday, but it is referring to a prophet's birthday, showing they they are significant events. (I am not going to even go into the rankings of prophets because it is a separate discussion, and I am not a big fan of rankings.)

Hajj is a yearly event, and parts of it are:

1. Visiting Arafat, which is where Prophet Adam (as) got his forgiveness.
2. Stoning the devil at mina, where Prophet Ibrahim (as) did the same thing.
3. Doing the sa'ee, which is what Hadhrat Hajira (ra) did when looking for water.

Some acts are so beloved to God that it has become a duty upon the muslims to do them atleast once in their lifetimes, and overall annually.

as for more quranic evidence, there is a verse which tells us to proclaim and rejoice over the favoursa that have been granted by God to us. If you do not think the arrival of the Prophet was a favour onto us, then by all means, don't rejoice.

(and since you are a muqallid of Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah, his opinion was also that there is no sin in celebrating the Prophet (saw)'s mawlid.)

YouShutup wrote:

awlia wrote:

no the monday fasting was about the monday and thursday fast muhammad SAW did, its jsut another fabrication made by people, and where does it say in the quran to celebrate muhammad SAW birthday? their is not a single verse, and that quote of the quran isnt even reffering to milad un nabi or to do any nonsense act, go check the milad un nabi history, were it came from, it came 2 centuaries after the death of muhammad SAW and it was invented by the shias/innovated by shias, so your celebrating something innovated by the shias, notonly that but check this hadith, muhammad SAW said "DO NOT celebrate my birthday like the christian do for jesus" so if muhamamd SAW himself stated not to do it who are you to make a false statement out of nowhere.

You literalist. It doesn't say in the Quran to come on the revival and hassle the 'sufis'.

what has that got to do with religion or anything

absolutely nothing i might aswell answer for you

@ awlia - have you proven any of your clai8med fabrications? If you think it is fabricated, please present your evidence of it being so.

EDIT - and just in case you forget:

You wrote:

...Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah, his opinion was also that there is no sin in celebrating the Prophet (saw)'s mawlid.)

You wrote:

@ awlia - it may not be referring to the Prophet's birthday, but it is referring to a prophet's birthday, showing they they are significant events. (I am not going to even go into the rankings of prophets because it is a separate discussion, and I am not a big fan of rankings.)

Hajj is a yearly event, and parts of it are:

1. Visiting Arafat, which is where Prophet Adam (as) got his forgiveness.
2. Stoning the devil at mina, where Prophet Ibrahim (as) did the same thing.
3. Doing the sa'ee, which is what Hadhrat Hajira (ra) did when looking for water.

Some acts are so beloved to God that it has become a duty upon the muslims to do them atleast once in their lifetimes, and overall annually.

as for more quranic evidence, there is a verse which tells us to proclaim and rejoice over the favoursa that have been granted by God to us. If you do not think the arrival of the Prophet was a favour onto us, then by all means, don't rejoice.

(and since you are a muqallid of Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah, his opinion was also that there is no sin in celebrating the Prophet (saw)'s mawlid.)

hajj is from the quran and sunnah, i is mentioned in the quran ordered by allah to do so, muhammad SAW oredered us to do so, and mroe of all it is the 5 pillars of islam, something that a muslim has to do, do not compare a innovation with the order of allah, hajj is not just a event but a order of allah a farz every muslim has to do.

and rejoice where does it say rejoice by doing milad un nabi? if you want to be happy of the arrival of muhammad SAW follow his sunnah, such as growing the bead, dressing like him, offer night prayers, act like him, do everything the way of the sunnha, and that will bring us closer to muhammad SAW and allah and jannah, not make up new acts and do them.

as for ibn tamiyyah he himself viewed milad un nabi as a incorrect ijitihad which he wrote in the same book, so even though he said good about milad un nabi he he still concluded by saying he doesnt accept it, so even ibn tamiyyah when he concluded he stated he doesnt agree with milad un nabi and disagreed with it, and as formany other great scholars people usually try and translatetheir quotes, most scholars simply said that the day of muhammad SAW is a special day as muhammad SAW was born BUT they still disagree with celebrating it.

SO even though they and every muslim feel happy of the day muhammad SAW was born it is still haram to perform or celebrate it in anyway.

yes hajj is ordered in the qur'an and sunnah, but what events is it emulating?

SO even though they and every muslim feel happy of the day muhammad SAW was born it is still haram to perform or celebrate it in anyway.

How dare you go against SHaykh Ibn Taymiyyah, who's opinion was that there is no harm in it?

as for ibn tamiyyah he himself viewed milad un nabi as a incorrect ijitihad which he wrote in the same book, so even though he said good about milad un nabi he he still concluded by saying he doesnt accept it, so even ibn tamiyyah when he concluded he stated he doesnt agree with milad un nabi and disagreed with it

Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah also said that there is no harm in it. And that segment of text is also suggesting that celebrating Mawlid was something that was done way before then, so it is not something new.

BUT they still disagree with celebrating it.

Which is what you say without providing evidence.

I will once again end by "Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah said there was no harm in it, so why do you see it as haraam?"

You wrote:

yes hajj is ordered in the qur'an and sunnah, but what events is it emulating?

SO even though they and every muslim feel happy of the day muhammad SAW was born it is still haram to perform or celebrate it in anyway.

How dare you go against SHaykh Ibn Taymiyyah, who's opinion was that there is no harm in it?

as for ibn tamiyyah he himself viewed milad un nabi as a incorrect ijitihad which he wrote in the same book, so even though he said good about milad un nabi he he still concluded by saying he doesnt accept it, so even ibn tamiyyah when he concluded he stated he doesnt agree with milad un nabi and disagreed with it

Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah also said that there is no harm in it. And that segment of text is also suggesting that celebrating Mawlid was something that was done way before then, so it is not something new.

BUT they still disagree with celebrating it.

Which is what you say without providing evidence.

I will once again end by "Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah said there was no harm in it, so why do you see it as haraam?"

you might want to read ibn tamiyyahs quote and the WHOLE book again, and check the conclusion out, shaykh ibn tamiyyah said their is no harm in feeling happy on the day muhammad SAW was born, he never said celebrating it was allowed, he said that is a wrong ijtihad.

i will again say go and read the book of ibn tamiyyah, he concluded with saying he disagrees with it, stop fabricating.

I don't want to go and read the book - you are here to prove that there is harm in it. I am just asking you to fulfil what you came here to do.

As for me - I do not really care too much one way or the other. I am just making sure you fulfil your aim properly, without cutting corners.

awlia wrote:

...muhammad SAW hadith clearly shows its haram, which is the biggest evidence of them all.

quotes of the hadith? Please provide the ahadith which say "celebrating my birthday is haraam for you to do". Please. pretty please with a cherry on top.

I on the other hand did provide you with an ayah from the qur'an where God gives salaam on a prophet's (as) birthday, showing that birthdays are a significant event. I also mentioned how God tells us to celebrate his favours upon us.

You are squirming out of it on a technicality "but it never mentioned the Porphet by name"... but it also never prohibited it as such either.

You wrote:

awlia wrote:

...muhammad SAW hadith clearly shows its haram, which is the biggest evidence of them all.

quotes of the hadith? Please provide the ahadith which say "celebrating my birthday is haraam for you to do". Please. pretty please with a cherry on top.

I on the other hand did provide you with an ayah from the qur'an where God gives salaam on a prophet's (as) birthday, showing that birthdays are a significant event. I also mentioned how God tells us to celebrate his favours upon us.

You are squirming out of it on a technicality "but it never mentioned the Porphet by name"... but it also never prohibited it as such either.

Aisha (r.a) narrated the messenger of Allah (s.a..w) said:

"If someone tries to introduce into this faith of ours (Islam) something which is not part of it, it is to be rejected"

(Sahih Muslim). Translation of the above Hadith: Every innovation is a misguidance and every misguidance goes to Hell fire.
detailed explanation of this hadith was made by imam shafi.

Since milad un nabi fits in perfectly with this hadith, it clearly shows its haram

do u pray taraveeh salah?

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

do u pray taraveeh salah?

if yopu want to prove tarawih is a innovation dont bother i have already proved that wrong aswell to one of the sisters, forgot which one and which thread but look for it.

I dont plan to repeat myself.

awlia wrote:

Aisha (r.a) narrated the messenger of Allah (s.a..w) said:

"If someone tries to introduce into this faith of ours (Islam) something which is not part of it, it is to be rejected"

(Sahih Muslim). Translation of the above Hadith: Every innovation is a misguidance and every misguidance goes to Hell fire.
detailed explanation of this hadith was made by imam shafi.

Since milad un nabi fits in perfectly with this hadith, it clearly shows its haram

Here is the thing: it doesn't.

As I mentioned previously, GOD celebrates a birth in the qur'an (actually more than one iirc), so celebrating a birth is following his sunnah. More over, God commands people to celebrate his favours on us, so if we think that Prophet is a favour on us, the qur'an tells us to celebrate.

You wrote:

awlia wrote:

Aisha (r.a) narrated the messenger of Allah (s.a..w) said:

"If someone tries to introduce into this faith of ours (Islam) something which is not part of it, it is to be rejected"

(Sahih Muslim). Translation of the above Hadith: Every innovation is a misguidance and every misguidance goes to Hell fire.
detailed explanation of this hadith was made by imam shafi.

Since milad un nabi fits in perfectly with this hadith, it clearly shows its haram

Here is the thing: it doesn't.

As I mentioned previously, GOD celebrates a birth in the qur'an (actually more than one iirc), so celebrating a birth is following his sunnah. More over, God commands people to celebrate his favours on us, so if we think that Prophet is a favour on us, the qur'an tells us to celebrate.

allah celebrates birthday? how about you showing me the verse please before i respond to this post of yours

[qs:19:15]

allah is simply praising the day of muhammad SAW was born their brother, thats like me saying i am happy the fact that a member of my family has been bron on this day, thats jsut happiness not celebration or anything, just praising.

That verse is not about the Prophet (saw).

and happiness, praising is the same as celebration in my eyes. "celebration" does not require anything other than mere happiness.

You wrote:

That verse is not about the Prophet (saw).

and happiness, praising is the same as celebration in my eyes. "celebration" does not require anything other than mere happiness.

celebrating and praising and feeling happy for something are 2 completely different things, it doesnt say their to celebrate muhamamd SAW birthday or do milad un nabi does it, jsut a praise, for us muslims we have been given the 2 eid days to celebrate so celebrate that.

friday is also eid. the "two eids" are different in that they are compulsory.

AFAIK, the Arabic for "celebrate" is "be happy", so no, they are not two different things.

(and people against birthdays generally try to NOT be happy on birthdays etc either...)

Anything is permissable in Islam until proven impermissable.
The Qur'an explicity mentions that even Isa AS spoke at his birth of peace and blessings being upon the day he was born. Where you mention we shouldn't celebrate it like Christians - we don't. We don't even believe he was born on Dec 25th but since we don't know the date we don't celebrate it.
Just because the Qur'an hasn't covered the birth of every Prophet doesn't mean we should ignore it. The Qur'an doesn't state either that women working or driving is allowed or not allowed and yet many women drive and work so just cuz the Qur'an doesn't mention it doesn't mean its forbidden.
Eids are celebrated for different reasons, not to do with birthdays so they can't substitute the birth of SAW.

The earth had many miracles on the day Prophet SAW was born too and many rejoiced. He SAW came as a favour like the other Prophets but as the much anticipated final seal, why not celebrate. Celebration doesn't have to mean cake, jelly and ice-cram with party poppers but what's the harm in joyful rememberance of the birth of the most Beloved Prophet SAW.