I heard an "anger" talk only yesterday

its not as complicated as ur making it out to be-the "treatment" is very basic

"MuslimSisLilSis" wrote:

I heard an "anger" talk only yesterday

its not as complicated as ur making it out to be-the "treatment" is very basic

So was it easy to implement? Have you forgiven the people who have slander you in the past and are you not angry with them anymore? Next time someone eats the last Chocolate cake will you being willing to accept it, without getting angry?

But seriously if i can remember right, one of the solution for anger was too pray for the person who you are angry against. Fair enough, but try telling that to someone who doesn't even pray for himself.

"yuit" wrote:

"MuslimSisLilSis" wrote:

I heard an "anger" talk only yesterday

its not as complicated as ur making it out to be-the "treatment" is very basic

So was it easy to implement? Have you forgiven the people who have slander you in the past and are you not angry with them anymore? Next time someone eats the last Chocolate cake will you being willing to accept it, without getting angry?
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I never said the treatment is easy to implement :roll:

but I've never tried to implement it either-I'm not big on self improvement

but at least I know its there if I want to better myself

solution was stuff like...do wudu, seek refuge frm saten, humble urself (anger orginates from pride) if ur standing up sit down etc etc etc

Budda says the source of all distress is attachment.

Judda says the source of all distress is his father.

Actually I said that, Judda just said some stuff.

"MuslimSister" wrote:

Salaam

Yuit, why cant one focus on both-the external and internal acts at the same time?

Have I said that?, I sorry if that how my messages have come across, it wasn’t my intention. I was just trying to highlight the importance of salah in purifying oneself. I didn’t think at no time, mines and your thought conflicted with each other. I just wanted to emphasise the importance of prayer and the reason our heart are dirty is due to our neglect, Because compare to the muslims of the past, we consider ourselves really pious if we in prayer for only 1 hour in a day.

Because too me this is a massive problem, When you see 6 people in jammat for Fajr

If people only knew what blessings are in the fajr and isha prayers, they would come to them, even if they had to crawl."(Bukhari and Muslim)

In my opinion people need to establish prayer and then work upwards. Because how many people pray their whole 5 prayers in their day. Loads of muslims use the excuse my heart is dirty, but it never a viable excuse, because the hadith below shows that it is a way of cleaning oneself of his sins.

Narrated Abu Huraira: I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "If there was a river at the door of anyone of you and he took a bath in it five times a day would you notice any dirt on him?" They said, "Not a trace of dirt would be left." The Prophet added, "That is the example of the five prayers with which Allah blots out (annuls) evil deeds." (Sahih Al Bukhari Volume 1, Book 10, Hadith 506)

But as muslim we neglect the prayer due to our own selfish deeds, because of money and duniya and then complain that our heart are dirty. Children born into a Muslim family begins his life hearing the Adhan in his right ear and the Iqama in his left ear. From his childhood, he should be taught the importance and method of prayer. But do we, we see the importance placed on prayer, we still leave it for another day. Wasn’t prayer one of the first things the prophet taught the new believers.

I picked this up from one of the Tassawuf websites.
Hadrat Shaykh Abdul Qadir Jilani (May the mercy of Allah be upon him) has written that the curse resulting from the missing of prayers spreads to the surrounding forty houses. Hence the house whose inhabitants neglect their prayers becomes devoid of all blessing and mercy, and unfortunately the womenfolk complain that their lives are without blessing and mercy but neglect to examine their actions toward prayer. They complain that their relationship is souring with their husband or that the children are becoming rebellious and fail to listen to reason. The root cause of this curse is the deliberate neglect of prayer.

Allah says in the Holy Quran:

Prayer restrains from shameful and unjust deeds [29:45]

Prayer is a protective castle and all of mankind needs to seek shelter from evil within this castle of Allah .

Anyway I ranted on long enough already. It just I believe that the paramount too being a good muslims is sincere and constant prayer, though I appreciate that much more is require to be the best muslim possible, but i just don't think it can be done without having the blessing of prayer with us.

! hour a day is cool.

Cool = Pious? depends on the right sort of coolness.

"Enver" wrote:

Judda says the source of all distress is his father.

"Judda" wrote:

"Enver" wrote:

Judda says the source of all distress is his father.

No I didn’t. You just assumed the problem was all him.

Don't blame me. Blame [url=http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/freud/images/vc91.jpg]Freud[/url].

i heard that guy was a pervert. is it true?

He might have been.

I don't know.

i've read some of his stuff (well think think it was his) and he had a rather peculier obsession with parts

[b]Consumer capitalism is making us ill - we need a therapy state [/b]

Britain is becoming unhappier as depression, crime and alcoholism grow. Government can and should intervene

By: Madeleine Bunting

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1657599,00.html

IMO Sufism is pretty weird. Excluding your self from social stuff only makes you depressed and it won’t benefit you in any way. Eating less is written in the Koran coz god does not love the gluttons. Meditating the names of god at night is a MAJOR COMMANDMENT it is just as important is salat but it is ignored. Sleeping less is written in Koran too coz we are suppose to ‘sing the praises of lord’ (not literally). “Islamic Psychology” includes stuff which the Koran does not say, thus it should be ignored. The Koranic commandments which “sufism” contains are just normal commandments from the Koran, everything else is shirk.

"Judda" wrote:

IMO Sufism is pretty weird. Excluding your self from social stuff only makes you depressed and it won’t benefit you in any way. Eating less is written in the Koran coz god does not love the gluttons. Meditating the names of god at night is a MAJOR COMMANDMENT it is just as important is salat but it is ignored. Sleeping less is written in Koran too coz we are suppose to ‘sing the praises of lord’ (not literally). “Islamic Psychology” includes stuff which the Koran does not say, thus it should be ignored. The Koranic commandments which “sufism” contains are just normal commandments from the Koran, everything else is shirk.

Sufism is purifying yourself, anythin that has got to do with zikr/remeberance of Allah (swt) is not an cannot be shirk!

I think that this is my biggest and only problem with Sufism. The fact that everything seem to be accredited to it. Like when people say the prophet was a sufi, as well as all the great muslims of the past are known as the great sufis. Why can't they just be consider as great muslims. I believe in purifying yourself and the majority of what sufism is about, but as judda mention, these are major theme within the religion, Why treat it as a different entity?

The agrument about shirk is stupid and people seriously need to be careful about how they used the word in regard to speaking to other muslims.

Angle, some of the stuff you have decreed for your self was not decreed by god, thus it represents another god beside Allah, which makes it shirk.

Salam

We know that Wahhabis hate Sufi music.

Infact, they hate all sort of music.

This type of music had reached western film and art in the early 90s.

Now the mystic music is about to be awarded in British music ceremony:

The World Music Awards from Radio 3's World Routes program.

Omrow

Sufi music article in The Guardian newspaper:
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[b]SUFIS CHOICE[/b]

By Robin Denselow, 2 December 2005

[b]In Pakistan, one festival is defying Islamic hardliners - but delighting the president. [/b]

Ten o'clock on a cold Monday night in the Pakistani city of Lahore, and there are strange scenes outside the Alhamra Cultural Complex. Men are dressed as horses, others are inside giant puppet-like structures, all are shuffling into position alongside a red carpet. Around them dozens of armed police and special forces are keeping the crowds at bay and checking there are no cameras. The president, General Pervez Musharraf, is going to a concert.

This, in itself, is a cultural and even political event in Pakistan, a country where dance was officially banned for many years and the opposition coalition, the MMA, is dominated by extremist clerics who would like the same to happen to music. But the president has asked to come along to the final show of the grandly titled World Performing Arts Festival, just one night after hearing many of the same performers at a private show arranged for him in the grand and unlikely setting of the Punjabi Governor's colonial-era residence.

Inside the open-air amphitheatre, the president's party sit on red chairs in front of the stage, while those who have managed to negotiate the heavy security are perched on chilly concrete steps behind them. They are here for a strangely mixed show. There are local pop stars, and a series of collaborations between western bands and musicians from the mystical Sufi movement - one brand of Islam that actively encourages music, and approves of musical collaborations that help promote the lyrics of Sufi poets.

Thus Norwegian trio Fryd are joined by the famed Sufi percussionist Gonga Sain, who is deaf and mute but whirls like a dervish as he leads his group of hand-held dhol drummers. Then there's a Czech rock band backing Sain Zahoor, who spent his life singing in shrines, and there's an excellent French Celtic-jazz outfit, Pain d'Epices, teamed up with another powerful Sufi singer, Sher Miandad. He's an exponent of qawwali, the Islamic equivalent of rousing, improvised Gospel music, and is the first cousin of Pakistan's greatest musical hero, the late Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan. It was Nusrat who brought qawwali to the western pop charts, thanks to his collaboration with Massive Attack on Mustt Mustt, and Sher is as adventurous as his cousin. Singing to the president the previous night, he had included a song by the 18th-century Sufi poet Bhullay Shah, in which he attacked the mullahs. Musharraf replied that he should sing it to the MMA.

Festival president Faizaan Peerzada runs an event that aims to transform Pakistani life. By promoting Sufi music he hopes to "counter the extremism of the mullahs who use the mosques to spread ill-will against the west. In the mosques they talk about hell, and scare people, but Sufism is about divine love. Sufism can be used against the mullah culture. The fundamentalists created a hardline Islam, but we want to promote the softer side."

For Lahore, the 10-day festival was a huge, at times startling cultural event. The music ranged from pop to classical but the finest show was the pure Sufi night. There are, says Faizaan, two sets of Islamic institutions in Pakistan. Alongside the mosques, there are shrines to Sufi saints and poets, and from this network has emerged one of the festival's musical stars, and potentially a new world music celebrity.

Sain Zahoor is in his late 60s, has no record deal and has spent much of his life singing, and living, in shrines across the country. Yet word-of-mouth recommendation alone has secured him a nomination for 2006's BBC World Music awards, and he could play a pivotal role in the promotion of new Sufi music. Earlier this week, after rehearsing for his appearance before Musharraf, Zahoor paid his regular visit to Lahore's Mian Mir shrine, where he gave a brief, compelling solo performance. As ever, he wore a black turban, strings of beads and necklaces, and was carrying his three-stringed ektara. He stamped his feet, beating out a driving, almost bluesy riff, and added a passionate vocal workout on one of Bhullay Shah's songs. "It's about spiritual love that makes you dance", explained one of the watching devotees.

Zahoor has had a remarkable history. Born in a small village in the Punjab, he had a recurring dream of a grave, a shrine "and a beckoning hand". On the advice of a Sufi, he set off, aged 13, to look for that shrine. "My parents didn't stop me - they were fed up with the dreams!" he says. He searched for nine years, living in shrines, singing and performing where he was given food, until he found the place of his dreams at Uch Sharif in Pakistan's southern Sindh province.
He still can't read or write, and his move to the international music circuit came after he started singing in the food tent at a Lahore festival, five years ago. In 2001 it was decided to try him out on stage, and he has since been invited to perform in Norway, Japan and Britain.

He had no objection to singing with the Czech band at the festival's finale "because the Sufi poetry had not been changed". And how does he feel about the mullahs? "I get pleasure from rock music. No one should be stopped from singing."

There may be plans to encourage Sufi music and philosophy in the fight against the mullahs (there is talk of a possible new Council for the Promotion of Sufism, with the president as patron), but Faizaan and his family are clearly determined that Pakistan needs even wider change, and that the arts should play a major role.

So was there ever any censorship at the festival? Faizaan admitted that he had just made cuts to an explicitly sexual routine by a German dancer, "but I need to break traditions and we've got to challenge peoples' minds".

It could be a slow process, and he agrees that "when we leave this building nothing much will happen here for another year". But for 10 days, at least, the festival has provided a vision of a very different Pakistan, and the government has taken note.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/filmandmusic/story/0,16373,1654986,00.html

"Omrow" wrote:

Infact, they hate all sort of music.

most ppl say its banned :roll:

Nooo. Jeddaaaa. Only stupid Wahhabis say it is banned.

not true!

Some say its allowed, some say it is not.

Omrow can you control your words please.

Salam

Ofcourse. Sorry boss.

Its just that I feel so free in these forums. I can say anything I want.

This is what makes Revival so great.

Probably the best forums in the entire UK.

Other forums put so many restrictions on members that it is no point making a point.

You guys are so brilliant. So much tolerance I have seldom seen.

You are exceptional muslims. Outstanding.

You must have a Sufi saint guiding you in there.

Long live the Revival Team.

Omrow

calm down omro

lets not get too carried away- :roll:

dont try to butter Mr Admin up

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:roll:

^^^ thats for Omro

Salam

Winter in the best time to get into Sufi study.

Nothing beats a good read by the fire. ( No. Actually, thats not strictly correct. How can it be. )

There are many books out there on the subject.

But try to read some authentic literature.

I bought this one from the Manchester bookstore:

" An Introduction To Sufi Doctrine " - Titus Burckhardt 1976

Its small, yet a beautiful book. Might be a little too deep for new chums.

Omrow