Salaams
A couple of days ago, the subject of travel came up and I mentioned that I thought it was allowed for women to travel as long as the destination was not more than a couple of days away.
Since that was off the top of my head, I decidded to google it and see what the true wording, evidence for it was. One of the links I found contained this:
We can understand this from the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) when he promised `Adi ibn Hatim At-Ta’iy (may Allah be pleased with him) three signs when he accepted Islam: that Islam would reach the east and the west; that the companions would obtain the treasures of Kisra, the king of Persia; and that peace would be spread all over the world when Islam reached the east and west so that a woman would be able to travel alone from Yemen to Hadramout not fearing anything but Allah and the wolf, meaning she would fear nothing.
Scholars understand from this hadith that a time will come when women can travel alone when they feel secure.
Is that time now?
A time when women will feel secure?
Rather, are women allowed to travel long and far on their own?
It is linked to security too.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
I don't see why not.
I think it is the time now because a lot of people are doing so now.
What has made it "secure" now that wasn't allowed before?
Bandits? less security in general?
Would you feel safe backpacking on your own through the australian outback as opposed to boarding a flight?
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
assalamu alaikum,
When you said that it's permissible for women to travel up to 3 days distance without mahram did you mean 3 days literally? If you did this would be incorrect. The scholars have estimated 3 days as up to 48 miles. But regardless of this rule even then if there is no dire necessity she should always be accompanied by a mahram because that is better.
Read this link it answers all queries even about bandits:
http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=1993&CATE=143
“O my people! Truly, this life of the world is nothing but a (quick passing) enjoyment, and verily, the hereafter that is the home that will remain forever.” [Ghafir : 39]
I travelled alone to Pakistan, my parents left me at glasgow airport and hubby picked me up from Islamabad airport, I felt safe coz I was travelling with others albeit they were strangers.
Flights are pretty safe, (plus to Pakiland its only 8 hours?) so i dont think theres much of a problem with that
Back in BLACK
Yeah true.
Only 8hrs? Do u know how bored I was!! My head was sore so watching movies was out of the question! Plus time dragged coz I was gona see my hubby again after 8 months!
I think generally it is safe, some places less than others....depends what method of travel you use and wether u are alone or in a group..
(Sunnipath really needs to fix its character encoding. It does not use UTF, but ISO-8859-1 so to get rid of those "diamonds" and other artifacts go to view >> character encoding and change it to that when reading)
As for the sunnipath answer it seems to ignore the hadith that at some point there will be no problem with the travelling.
They seem to be sticking to the past and the rulings made for it ignoring the hadith that at some point it will be allowed...
Hence me asking about now as opposed to historically.
(and that distance thing needs to be looked at again too anyway - horses are noit the predominant mode of transport so converting 3 days and 3 nights into 48 miles seems less applicatory atm.)
All IMO.
EDIT - the sunnipath bit abour reasoning and as to how that would not change the ruling would only apply IMO if there was not another hadith saying that at some point the travel would not be limited. Since there is...
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
I meant the trip on the plane is safe... Pakistan itself is pretty hit and miss tbh.
Back in BLACK
Can I just have a clear answer:
Are Muslim women allowed to travel on their own or not?
If so how many days are they allowed?
yes.
as many as they like.
Hmm...
Condition seems to be safety.
If you go by what Noor said, the answer to your question is yes.
If you don't, then the question is if you accept that travelling with trustworthy company is valid. if so (and the people are trustworthy and there are other females there), the answer is also yes.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
No idea.
That could be similar to travelling with a mahram and then half way through you split up, or the husband decides on it to be a good time to get divorced?
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Thanks Noor.
1. no conditon.
2. yes. as long as theres no chance of fitna happening then its fine.
you run.
seems like you wanted to say something.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
duh
I hope not
Good on you for sorting out Plan B and the rest
Islamonline.net - there's many things I wouldn't take from that website.
As long as it says something I like...
And the source is not always the problem, rather what is said and how it is said.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
assalamu alaikum,
prominent scholars came to a consensus about converting it to 48miles there is a wisdom behind it, they didn't randomly decide upon 48 miles to make womens lives difficult, look into that i'm sure it's covered on sunnipath and other sites.
As for it being safer today, i haven't got the figures for the UK but the last i checked USA stats a woman is raped every 2 mins, so for all the modern transport, laws and so called increased respect for women this occurs. Also its a fact that women are verbally or physically harassed at some point during their life whether at work, or whilst traveling to carry out daily chores. Everyone knows someone who has experienced this. So why should we change Allah's commands to accommodate the whims of women or even men today what right have we to do that? If there is a good reason then scholars will create new fatwas but why should they be altered for minor reasons. Like i would love to go shopping in london without my brother or husband. But it is 100 miles and more depending on where in london i was to go. So should i go and demand a new fatwa because i want to fulfill my desire? Is this a real need? No. But if i want to do islamic studies, and have no male mahram then i may have a case.
Even for Hajj 1 of the pillars of Islam, in hanafi madhab it is only obligatory on a woman if she has a mahram if she does not then it is no an obligation upon her, in fact Allah will be happier with her not performing it and maintaining her modesty, and safety. There are a few extenuating circumstances but you get the point i'm trying to make. This ruling was not altered to accommodate women today, so why should the ruling for travel be altered? I assume you're suggesting women should be allowed to travel without any restrictions on mileage covered right, clarify please.
A sister here said she had a 8 hr flight on her own, it was pretty safe, she had no problems. But what if she had a problem with a passenger who was perhaps making things difficult for her, making crude comments, or being threatening etc. I'm sure she would have wished her brother, father or some mahram was there for her at that moment right? I really think there is a great wisdom for these rulings, it's a safety net for us. Course if there is a dire need our religion is flexible.
I think i said this before but even though 48 miles is stressed in hanafi fiqh as maximum mileage a woman can travel. Even below 48 miles where possible she should travel with a mahram because that is better for her own safety. I used to think this was something male scholars had created just to keep women locked up. Until i started getting problems just making a mile journey to work. So much so i stopped walking, and stopped using the bus altogether. I had my brother drop me off and boss take me home again. So naturally i've changed my opinions about the ruling now, i don;t believe it's a tool to oppress women, but a tool to safeguard them.
“O my people! Truly, this life of the world is nothing but a (quick passing) enjoyment, and verily, the hereafter that is the home that will remain forever.” [Ghafir : 39]
Ok the hadith that you guys have mentioned before about the woman travelling to yemen has actually PASSED. yes the time is not now! acutally now is the worst you can get you might get abducted when your travelling. A woman can travel for 3 days n nites bla bla bla.
I think its better to be with a mahram than with a stranger! anyone you cannot get married to you can travel with.
The hadith was about the "future" (which may since have come and gone).
@ Hajjar - the fact there is a hadith about this implies to me atleast that the issue is not clear cut and dry.
They came to that distance as a maximum as that was what could be travelled by people in that time period.
As for the safety argument - the question is is it a valid argument? By that I mean, was the limitation due to safety? If so, then you can question how safe something is and then work on it - if that is not the underlying reason then its (probably) impossible to then say that the limit is too short and long.
I also do not think that the "reason" for the limitation was to control - but if the reason was for safety, that can have new and different consequences over time.
Some of the ahadith mention shorter times being allowed for travel - maybe these were for less safe periods of time/destination?
If there is problem on a flight - are there flight marshals on planes for such things? Even going with a mahram (or being male) does not mean absolute safety - there is a risk to everything in life - mostly so minuscule that it is not considered.
The same with other things - there may be a good (but no where near perfect) law and order system and the travel allowed may change through circumstance, location and even mode of travel.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Finally!
It has taken me DAYS to find this topic!
(also found another similar topic from years ago)
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
i hate looking at old posts i made its like looking at old photos disastrous, cringe worthy embarrassing lol i need to control my fingers when typing. i type far too much nonsense. i dont half go on in my posts lol
“O my people! Truly, this life of the world is nothing but a (quick passing) enjoyment, and verily, the hereafter that is the home that will remain forever.” [Ghafir : 39]
- why were you looking for this topic?
- and why are you evil? (referring to your signature)
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