It's rude and unnecessary, unless solicited, for people to run around giving frank appraisals of everyone else. All that is needed to show respect is to avoid any undue violation.

Reverence is another matter, and good manners dictate you do not ask other people to show praise for something they obviously do not believe. If you decide to impose yourself on somebody else like that you will bare the responsibility for the reprocussions of breaking this rather simple understanding among people.

There is no reason to discuss any of this, we don't have these kinds of problems here everyone has been brought up well enough to grasp these little rules of conversation. Those that lacked these rather simple manners earlier in the day find themselves corrected at the end of it. And so there is no need to fight.

Now let that be the end of that.

"The Great 100" wrote:

I am not running around giving frank appraisals of anyone. I resent the implication.

I wasn't implying that...

It was a syllogism and I was setting up an axiom for the minor premise that immediately followed.

In fact I worked triple hard just to make sure absolutely nobody presently involved in this conversation could read anything insulting into it whatsoever.

That's why I kept everything in the subjunctive and used neutral sounding words.

"The Great 100" wrote:

Alright. :oops:

lol looks like i'm not going to be going into arbitration after law school

"The Great 100" wrote:

My point is clear.

Are you sure? I thought my point (and intention) was pretty clear from the last post but even despite all my careful efforts it turns out you can read it another way.

Not to mention there is that whole other tiger to contend with - intention. A point can be crystal clear but it's a lot more difficult to convey your intentions with clarity.

To a certain extent that can be even worse since it depends so heavily on how willing the recipient is to recieve it.

For example you could say "well dave does have a point" and that settles that but you might not be very clear if my intention was to chastize you (as you thought was the case in the last), or to present an interesting/academic argument just for the hell of it. And as it would turn out while both readings [i]could[/i] be true neither actually is true; since the real intention is distraction.

Or you could say "no Dave does not have a point" but that really isn't all that relevant and in the end basically serves as obiter dictum for the purposes of this example.

But since I'm going with a "Stream of Conciousness" approach I figured it would account for some style points.

I have not read this topic, so I may be off-base here.

I would not expect to believe in the prophethood. I would not even demand that they respect the prophet (saw).

But on these forums its a must to be respectful.

No idea if that line will ever be crossed, but just to make it clear.

No I was just making it clear to everyone that there is a line somewhere.

I do not know if anyone has crossed it, but letting people know will warn those who may intend on crossing, and relieve the worry for those who think someone else may cross it.

"Admin" wrote:

No I was just making it clear to everyone that there is a line somewhere.

I do not know if anyone has crossed it, but letting people know will warn those who may intend on crossing, and relieve the worry for those who think someone else may cross it.

[i]Jim, let me here tonight issue a warning to the enemies or potential enemeies of the United States: you may think you know the location of the "lock-box". Maybe you do. Or maybe that's a decoy. Or a dummy "lock-box". Only the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, myself and Tipper are gonna know for sure. [/i]

too much for me too read

but 100man, i dont expect you to believe in the Prophet (saw), nor am i bothered if you accept his status.....but is there a need to disrespect him? to think bad of him?

regarding krishna and other god's - i simply dont believe they exist. it would be silly and pointless if disrespect them or think bad of them, coz quite frankly - there isnt much to think about

christian god, jewish god, muslim god - all the same god....the prophets - we accept Jesus and Moses.

If you dont accept Jesus or Prophet Muhammed (saw)....why does it concern you in such a way, that you had to start this thread?

i dont want to argue with you, or go down the same route as the last discussion between me and you went....but bro, i feel offended.

It's my belief that i love the Beloved Prophet more than anything or anyone - what islam for me bases all around.

Think what you like of the Prophet (Saw), but please - if its not nice, dont tell me

and i know we can disagree.....but why raise it?

its pretty obvious with you being from a diff faith, that you disagree on the Prophet

Talking about Him is a touchy subject, it just further stokes the flames in what is already a tense atmosphere in the forum world and the real world

I can see what you want to say, but it aint neccessary - people just going to hate you (or have) more, rightly or wrongly

p.s. i like what you said dave, even tho i never understood it. I love you :oops:

100,

i did not find your post offensive although it was unnecessarily provocative. as some people have already mentioned, it doesn't come as a surprise that you do not believe in Muhammad (s.a.w) being a Prophet, seeing as how you follow Judaism - not exactly rocket science. i would however have found it offensive if, as beast pointed out, you made your inevitably ill-informed views on the Prophet (s.a.w) known.

khan,

your response was disgusting. in fact it probably doesn't even count as a response seeing as how every other word was a swear. :?

once Abu Bakr (r.a) was sitting with the Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) whilst someone cursed him repeatedly from across the road. Eventually Abu Bakr (r.a)'s patience was spent and he responded to the curses. The Prophet (s.a.w) then got up and walked away. When Abu Bakr (r.a) asked: "O Prophet of Allah, why did you walk away when I replied to his curses?", the Prophet (s.a.w) said: "As he began cursing, Allah appointed an Angel to respond, but as soon as you responded to him the angel went away."

as Vedeno put across very well, our love for Rasulullah (s.a.w) knows no bounds. but our defense of the Prophet (s.a.w) will sound hollow if we do not follow his example when expressing ourselves.

Yup, we all must follow Sunnah and show good character at all times - that was what made people come to Islam, the character of the Beloved Prophet (Saw)

"*DUST*" wrote:

as Vedeno put across very well, our love for Rasulullah (s.a.w) knows no bounds. but our defense of the Prophet (s.a.w) will sound hollow if we do not follow his example when expressing ourselves.

Fantastic point.

This was also shown in the cartoon issue when people in their zeal to stick up for the status of the Holy Prophet contradicting His message in the violent riots..

"The Great 100" wrote:

khan,

You've misread me. We've been here before, send me that PM about your life story any time.

why would i wanna send u my life story..?
who are u to wanna know about my life..?
look at ur own life, look at urself.

from where i'm standing you look like a [DELETE] well we've been here b4.

CHIEF.