Religious Thugs

Salaam,

I attended the Global Peace and Unity conf today, near the front enterance there were about 30 guys harrassing people who were attending the event.

A mate of mine, who arrived with her dad was told that "it is haraam to enter this programme as its a mixed gathering" and her dad was advised to take his women away from this place (and was followed to the main door) apparently they were very in their face and very intimidating.

(It would have been intresting to find out weather any of these brothers had attended mixed colleges, uni's, schools and/or were OK about going to mixed shopping centres etc)

A guy who was from my year in secondary school built up a reputation for himself in my town for PHYSICALLY grabbing guys by the collar if they refusued to pray in Jamaat with him on time.

During my time in Saudi, I was occasionally yelled at by the 'religious police' for not covering my face whilst doing my tawaaf (erm, hello - women are not allowed to cover their face whilst doing their umrah)

I know of people from B'ham who had taken it upon themselves to vanadalise 'dodgy' billboards.

I know of an aunty from my road, who regularly 'moniters' the local park and screams in the face of any couple getting up to dodgy buisness.

I know NUMEROUS women who harass women who attend study circles and humiliate them in public if they're are not dressed correctly and/or may be wearing nail varnish etc etc

Are 'religious people' acting like gangsters in their zeal to enjoin the good and forbid the evil?

Does it work and get the message across?

And have you ever experienced any in your face dawah?

Wasalaam

They are breaking the basic rule of using hikmah (wisdom).

There is a verse in the Qur'an which says when you are confronted by ignorant people, just say "Salaam".

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

I've never ever come across those kind of people, ever. London is where all the action happens! Seriously, i think these people only exist in the south.

I know older people who try to push kids to the mosque like this, it doesnt work it gives the wrong impression about salah. It starts to become something of a chore for kids when people approach them like this.

Those who danced were thought to be quite insane, by those who couldn't hear the music...

"MuslimSister" wrote:
I attended the Global Peace and Unity conf today, near the front enterance there were about 30 guys harrassing people who were attending the event.

Around what time was this?... I only saw some brothers handing out leaflets.

But I agree that it would've been better if the main hall had seats where men and women sat separately, there was times when I had to squeeze between sisters to get through.

I don't think there's anything wrong with forbidding evil but they shouldn't go 'over the top'.

No, I don't agree with that. I think its wrong.

"MuslimSister" wrote:
A guy who was from my year in secondary school built up a reputation for himself in my town for PHYSICALLY grabbing guys by the collar if they refusued to pray in Jamaat with him on time.

Would the prophet (pbuh) have done that? I doubt it. So, why would it be okay for us to do it? All you can do is tell people. Maybe if u are a parent and your child refuses to read Quran/Salah, then maybe you can, in fact I think in that situation you can.

The media, government, tried to blow us, but they can't out the flame, or doubt the name.

"Allahuakbar" wrote:
No, I don't agree with that. I think its wrong.

"MuslimSister" wrote:
A guy who was from my year in secondary school built up a reputation for himself in my town for PHYSICALLY grabbing guys by the collar if they refusued to pray in Jamaat with him on time.

Would the prophet (pbuh) have done that? I doubt it. So, why would it be okay for us to do it? All you can do is tell people. Maybe if u are a parent and your child refuses to read Quran/Salah, then maybe you can, in fact I think in that situation you can.

the best thing is to do is to say what happens if you miss salah on purpose and try to make them feel bad about missing that particular salah

Such people should know their damn role and shut their damn mouths.

Back in BLACK

"Seraphim" wrote:
Such people should know their damn role and shut their damn mouths.

if u smellllllll lalal loh what the rock is coooking
Lol

Those who danced were thought to be quite insane, by those who couldn't hear the music...

"Funzo" wrote:
"Seraphim" wrote:
Such people should know their damn role and shut their damn mouths.

if u smellllllll lalal loh what the rock is coooking
Lol

lol... i didnt think anyone was gonna catch on.

Back in BLACK

I thought you might not be saying it in that way because of when you said shut there damn mouths

Those who danced were thought to be quite insane, by those who couldn't hear the music...

"MuslimBro" wrote:
"MuslimSister" wrote:
I attended the Global Peace and Unity conf today, near the front enterance there were about 30 guys harrassing people who were attending the event.

Around what time was this?... I only saw some brothers handing out leaflets.

But I agree that it would've been better if the main hall had seats where men and women sat separately, there was times when I had to squeeze between sisters to get through.

I don't think there's anything wrong with forbidding evil but they shouldn't go 'over the top'.

Around 3ish...they were only targetting groups of women with their mahrams. Not guy only groups.

I dunno if these were the same ones you saw, but these ones were also giving out leaflets about muslim captives.

And regarding segregation, given the way the exhibition stalls were all under one roof, opposite to where the main hall was...I think segratated seating would have been impossible to arrange.

I would have had a go at them :evil:

Those who danced were thought to be quite insane, by those who couldn't hear the music...

Giving sincere naseeha is an art, so not everyone can get it right.. A balance needs to be achieved between being all-liberal and passive, and being abusive, intrusive and domineering. A cultivated sense of politeness, good-temperament and tact is the key..

I also agree with You's comment about using hikma.. You can more easily bend people to your will when you treat people in a nice easy-going manner with adab than by yelling at them.. No-one likes bullies.. Theres a hadith that Allah swt will forbid the fire to those that are easy-going and kind-hearted.. Muhammad saw said he was send to perfect good manners.

Treating people in a good manner shows that you have some sense of discipline, logic and control.. But i feel that being nice and polite has a bad rap. People think that it means being weak, that you are a pushover, or that you do not have zeal for the deen/enjoining the good - which it doesnt. Rather it means that you have strength and discipline, that you are able to use HIKMA and logic to ALWAYS treat people in a good manner, and an ability to give appropriate responses in given situations..

Seraphim hit the nail on the head in his post about THINKING before acting.. Young folk esp. tend to act without using their aql which is why they make so many mistakes, and probably turn into religious thugs..

May Allah shine sweet faith upon you this day and times beyond. May your heart be enriched with peace, and may your home be blessed always. Ameen.

"MuslimSister" wrote:
"MuslimBro" wrote:
"MuslimSister" wrote:
I attended the Global Peace and Unity conf today, near the front enterance there were about 30 guys harrassing people who were attending the event.

Around what time was this?... I only saw some brothers handing out leaflets.

But I agree that it would've been better if the main hall had seats where men and women sat separately, there was times when I had to squeeze between sisters to get through.

I don't think there's anything wrong with forbidding evil but they shouldn't go 'over the top'.

Around 3ish...they were only targetting groups of women with their mahrams. Not guy only groups.

I dunno if these were the same ones you saw, but these ones were also giving out leaflets about muslim captives.

And regarding segregation, given the way the exhibition stalls were all under one roof, opposite to where the main hall was...I think segratated seating would have been impossible to arrange.

according to the website there was women-only seating areas

but no men-only seating areas! We're vulnerable too!!

Don't just do something! Stand there.

"MuslimSister" wrote:
I dunno if these were the same ones you saw, but these ones were also giving out leaflets about muslim captives.

Yep, they were the ones.

"Ya'qub" wrote:
but no men-only seating areas! We're vulnerable too!!

Innit!