"Beast" wrote:

Someone asked about the use of the title 'Lord' at MICS. The answer given was that it was OK because it is a wordly title. It does not assume any 'godly' authority.

I know that... but i still dislike using it in such a context... :?

"Beast" wrote:

As for whether Lord Nazir is a 'goody' or a 'baddy', that's a difficult question.

For one thing, it's very difficult to get that far into the system without being a bit dodgy. A certain forum member [u][b][i]seems[/i][/b][/u] to know a bit about him but refuses to tell us. He's certainly not as bad as Khalid Mahmood or Shahid Malik though.

From what I've heard him say he is genuinely moderate IMO.

oh ok. he's been invited to ISNA conventions a coupla times now, in the last one he was cracking old jokes about Bush... :roll:

He tried those jokes at the Unity Conference. So rehearsed...

"Asghar Bukhari" wrote:

Anyway - may Allah bless the jihad and those who strive to defend Islam. And that includes the revival team. One of the few magazines that actually have the guts to tell the Muslims the truth without selling us out.

ws

Asghar
MPACUK

Such high praise

"Med" wrote:

Jihad is the jihad of the battlefield. MashaALLAH the work of MPAC is good and appreciated but deceiving people and calling your lobbying and media meetings etc as jihad is not on.

Jihad means to struggle.

Quote:

Whenever the call for jihad was made, the Sahabah Karaam came out with their swords, they never came out with the pen to write diplomatic letters, or ploughs to till barren land, or come out with placards and leaflets saying be more politically active. The jihad is the battlefield.

[url=http://www.sunnipath.com/Resources/Questions/QA00000797.aspx]SunniPath using a quranic reference that counters your position. [/url]There is also another daeef hadith that many use.

[quote]MashaALLAH the work of MPAC has good and bad in it. But abusing the masaajid and imams is not the way. The honour of the masjid must be maintained./quote]

When mosques and their comittees make mistakes, they should be held accountable. If people practice racism with mosques, that should be publically lambasted. Same with Imams and scholars. They have a duty to the community. If they do not carry it out, someone should hold them accountable.

1. Yes jihad has been used in these contexts but in the legal language jihad has referred to fighting, mujahada has become the accepted word to describe the other non-battlefield struggles particulalry when dealing with the nafs.

2. Yes masaajid should be accountable. But abusing imams and masaajid in such a manner I personally dont agree with. It gives the masaajid a bad image and brings them into disrepute. If problems are happening in the masjid, they should and must be addressed but I personally dont think going on tv and saying mosques are like this, imams are like that is the right way. What honour and respect is this for the signs of ALLAH? Problems should be dealt with in hidden if possible, and if the problem can only be sorted by public acknowledgment then even it should be done in the right way. I dont think the MPAC way is the right way for this.

What brings them into disrepute? The mosques actually carrying out such attrocities, or them being held accountable?

Burying the head in the sand means no-one deals with the issues. The reason everything is so bad is BECAUSE OF PEOPLE BURYING THEIR HEADS.

Its not an instantaneous change where good commitees went bad, but a slow rot that was allowed to happen because noone dared say the truth.

Would you the people like MPAC highlighted any problems, or the police by storming the mosques?

perhaps I didnt explain clearly and that is my fault. In no way am I saying bury heads in sand and leave things as they are. No.

I'm saying there is a better way for it to be done, as opposed to MPAC way. Undoubtedly if bad things happening in masaajid or there is room for improvement then people need to make moves in that direction. In no way do I advocate head-burying-in-sand approach

salaam ppl,

i'm subscribed to the mpac mailing list, received a letter from asghar bukhari recently in which he mentioned:

"[url=http://news.sky.com/skynews/video/videoplayer/0,,31200-redline_061006_19... is one of the interviews that we were criticised about. We agree with you, humbly apologise and remain accountable."

i've just seen the interview. anyone know what they were criticised about?

"Beast" wrote:

They are exactly what we need. Young, well spoken, energetic, lively, outspoken, active, Muslims who raise the right issues and promote political and religious activation aswell as accountablity of Muslim leaders.

Ditto to the above... just wanna add personally they're too extreme for me. (Hence why im here )

I'm having doubts about them now.

I think they overreacted to Jack Straw. As soon as he wrote the article MPAC were on about how he had no right to be saying what he said and attacking him. They should have been more measured in their initial reaction.

By overreacting they played into the hands of the tabloids and allowed them to write things like "Muslims are outraged", "Muslims attacked Jack Straw", "there was anger in the Muslim community" etc.

IMO MPAC's history with Jack Straw probably played a larger part in MPAC's reaction to the veil affair than did Jack Straw's comments.

MPAC need a strong moderating influence from older prominent British Muslims. Left to their own devices and their youthful eagerness they are liable to shoot themselves in the foot.

About the interview... I got that email too. Don't know why they were criticised for it. Probably something to do with Asghar shouting down the Palestinian woman towards the end.

MPAC....................EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED!!!!!!!!!!

"Beast" wrote:

MPAC need a strong moderating influence from older prominent British Muslims. Left to their own devices and their youthful eagerness they are liable to shoot themselves in the foot.

.

I cant remember who actually said that but some actually believe that all problems would be solved only when the older lot drop dead and the younger generation take lead.

My uncle used to go Uni with the main guys who started MPAC up...as people they're lovely however, some lack basic knowledge in deen yet KNOW how to shut their opponent up in a debate...

"MuslimSister" wrote:

I cant remember who actually said that but some actually believe that all problems would be solved only when the older lot drop dead and the younger generation take lead.

I might have said that somewhere on the forum in the past. :oops:

I have since grown older and wiser and believe that there needs to be more cooperation between the generations.

However, the younger generation needs to be the public face of the Muslim community and the elders have to remain in the background offering their wise counsel.

"Beast" wrote:

I might have said that somewhere on the forum in the past. :oops:

ROFL

"TheRevivalEditor" wrote:

so after watching the women jihad documentary:

[b]ARE MPAC JUST TROUBLE MAKERS?[/b]

I MISSED IT!!!! . BUT AFTER READING ALL THE COMMENTS!! I'm starting to change my mind. Now they are trouble makers!

i dunno enuf about em to really say

who are they?

[color=indigo][b]I cant really make a judgement on them after just watching one programme. Don't no enough about them yet and there were only a few members of MPAC and nothe whole bunch.. so cant really say.[/b][/color]

actually they reminded me of HT but Ht are more wiser in the approach they take they wudav neva messed up n gone barjin in like them sisters did. they wudav def had diff tactics.

them sisters were jus to gobby!!!!!!!!! :shock: esp one who was shouting at the brother to show her respect when she was i repeat SHOUTING AT HIM argh silly woman

"Snoopz" wrote:

them sisters were jus to gobby!!!!!!!!! :shock: esp one who was shouting at the brother to show her respect when she was i repeat SHOUTING AT HIM argh silly woman

Lol. I could never, ever do what they do...but I couldnt help silently cheering for them from the sidelines, loads of my "quiet" friends have had a very negative experience with the main men from Balfor Rd Mosque...I don't think they saw this coming...

[color=indigo][b]Just been browsing the MPAC forum and after seeing some of the threads/posts/toughts/attitudes which they carry.. and they are NOT what we need. They're more trouble than good![/b][/color]

whats this HT everyone is on about?

Salam

HT are the boys who want to force Islamic Law down everyone's throat.

They want to impose a Caliphate [ fundamentalist dictatorship ]
on muslims as well as non muslims.

Bad idea.

God's Holy Prophet Muhammad did not teach coercion.

Omrow

"Omrow" wrote:

Salam

HT are the boys who want to force Islamic Law down everyone's throat.

They want to impose a Caliphate [ fundamentalist dictatorship ]
on muslims as well as non muslims.

Bad idea.

God's Holy Prophet Muhammad did not teach coercion.

Omrow

What? Little boy you need to do some reading. [color=blue]The Caliphate is not a fundamentalist dictatorship in a negative sense[/color]. I’m not HT and don’t agree with them, but that statement is the most utterly preposterous, ill-informed, idiotic thing you have ever wrote. We have a disease in our young people who think they know something and blab all sorts of non-sense. Check yourself.

So Abu Bakr RA, Umar RA, Uthmaan RA and Ali RA where fundamentalist dictators? That is what your saying……. Well?

Ask for forgiveness.

To this topic:
Hadith narrated by Umm Hameed [Radhiallaahu anha]. She said to Prophet [Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam], ‘O dear Prophet, I enjoy very much praying when you are leading the Salaat.’ Rasulullah [Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam] said, ‘I understand that you enjoy praying more when I am leading the Salaat. It is, however, better for you to offer Salaat in your private room than even in your house. It is better for you to pray inside your house than in the courtyard of your house. It is better to offer Salaat in your house than offering it in the neighbourhood Masjid. It is better for you to pray in the neighbourhood Masjid than my Masjid.’

Everything is in this Hadith.

I was once in the company of a person whom I regard highly. Peer Habib-Ur-Rahman of Bradford. He said to us ‘to explain even the shortest Hadith to you would take me 8 hours’.

So I pray for forgiveness if I don’t portray this Hadith to a good standard and I ask you to overlook my shortcomings.

The overview:
Women are preferred to offer Salaat at home. Why did the Holy Prophet PBUH say this?
1. Modesty.
2. Children.

From London to Blackburn. [color=blue]4 hour trip.[/color]
‘It is better for you to pray in the neighbourhood Masjid than my Masjid’
I, for one second, do not believe that there is no Mosque in London or Blackburn that does not accommodate women.

Some Mosques can’t afford it. It took years for the elders to build these Mosques. The younger generation will [color=darkblue]never [/color] emulate the elders.

They were reiterating one Hadith, over and over. It was very boring to see that these jumped up, arrogant, ineloquent people with pent up frustration had taken one Hadith and disregarded others.

Channel four aired your ridiculous farce and you assume it to be a genuine struggle? Channel four and TV as a whole is looking for a reason to show Islam as oppressive. Let’s get to the point, a normal non-Muslim person watching that does not think it is Pakistani men who are oppressive they think it’s the religion. So you want me or others to clap for you? Well done! Congratulations!

GO TO THE MOSQUES THAT [color=blue]DO[/color] HAVE WOMENS AREAS, is that hard to understand?

‘It is, however, better for you to offer Salaat in your private room than even in your house’

They prayed in the middle of the street where dogs walk, but yet they were offered a house with privacy they refused to pray there because they said it was ‘dirty’.

The people MPAC spoke to were all bud bud dingers. Not one was fluent in English.[color=darkblue][/color]

I think women should be educated in Islam and other subjects. At the ned of the day they are the sisters of today and the mothers of tomorrow. Who will teach our children. Women should hold women only functions and Masha'Allah they do. In fact I think more emphasis should be given to women to get educated. Masha'Allah my wife is on so many courses I can't count them. My sister went to college and now teaches children.

To finish, we need our sisters to be educated but we do NOT need organistaions like MPAC.

Well no suprise here. We have always disagreed (since 1999)! From Pakistan's and England's National sport to this!

i just think they're too violent/aggressive. otherwise they're kind of amusing.

we need more mpac guys for the youth to give the oldies a wake up call in the right manner of course

please leave them alone, although they have made mistakes they do a great deal of good aswell. I may not agree a 100% with them but one thing i have learnt is the one who seeks the imperfections of others, runs away from the reality of his own perfections. Sorry i did not mean to offend you.