Salam
This article is about the withdrawal from Grozny in 2000 where the Mujahideen were exiting Grozny and helping to evacuate women and children. The Russians had Grozny surrounded and mined and the Mujahideen ran into one of the minefields.
Rather than stay their trapped , volunteers ran foward and threw themselves on the mines while shouting to their comrades , "See you in paradise!".
Amongst the volunteers were two of the top commanders , Lecha Dudayev ans Shamil Basayev.
Commander Dudayev was Shahaeed (inshallah) and Shamil Basayev lost a foot.
In this way they were able to evacuate the women and children out of the hell-hole in Grozny.
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Last month the Chechen rebels attempted to break out of their
positions in Grozny as the Russian forces encircled the city.
The following description of the retreat, as reported by the
Washington Post's Daniel Williams, is a reminder of just how
brutal war can be.
"The order to withdraw from Grozny came from Isa Munayev,
the top rebel commander in the city. Two Mondays ago, in the
middle of the night, thousands of fighters began to head west and
south."
Heda Yusopova, a mother of two and a cook for a group of
Chechen rebels, was part of a group which went toward Alkhan-
Kala, three miles from the city. The column included units under
the command of Shamil Basayev, a notorious rebel commander
whom Russia considers a deadly terrorist.
"Yusopova's group of 150 shuffled warily in the middle of the
column of several hundred guerrillas." They were about to walk
into a mine field. "She heard artillery shells blasting the fields
that lay between the city and Alkhan-Kala. Then they came
upon the mines. 'It was scary,' she said. 'The first thing I did
was to try to calm the children.'"
Her children, ages 9 and 10, screamed. There was panic.
Volunteers were needed to move to the front of the column,
replacing those who had stepped directly into the killing field.
[b]
"A figure came out of the darkness. 'See you in paradise,' the
volunteer said. 'God is great.[/b]'"
"Yusopova wove her way among dead and wounded rebels
sprawled on the snowy plain. 'I had to bandage fighters as we
went. We couldn't wait for a safe place,' she said."
"With explosions lighting up the snow all around, commanders
urged everyone forward. Some commanders took the lead.
Basayev lost a foot to a mine. Lecha Dudayev, another
commander, was killed scouting for mines." The rebels insisted,
however, that most of the guerrilla columns escaped Grozny
without incident. And later counterattacks would seem to
confirm that.
When Yusopova's group reached Alkhan-Kala, they sought
refuge in basements and rested.
Please try not to make too many similar topics. Keep them all together.
Now for the thread hijack:
Never heard of him before. So can someone enlighten me, maybe a biography?
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
He was specificly chosen by elected president of Ichkeria , Aslan Maskhadov to replace him should he (Maskhadov) be martyred.
Not much was known about him before he came to power. He gave Islamic talks on Chechen tv in the inter-war period.
He is neither a Sufi nor a Salafi which is probably one of the reasons Maskhadov chose him and all the resistance swore loyalty to him.
He managed to unite the resistance perhaps even more so than Aslan Maskhadov.
If the Chechen side confirm this , it will be big news.
Whats with all the Chechnyan rebel propaganda... Are you in Chechnya or something?
Who are you anyway, you never did an intro in the new members thread
Who i am isnt really any of your business.
And this isnt propaganda - this is what happened in the withdrawal from Grozny in 2000.
Surely even someone like you can praise them for this action - sacrificing their lives to get women and children out of Grozny.
It has been confirmed(unless Russia has hacked the site) , he has been martyred inshallah.
In Russian:
http://www.kavkazcenter.com/russ/co.../17/45317.shtml
This is very big news and could change everything potentially , id make a new thread about it but i dont think there'd be to much views.
As someone said to me , forget Chechnya , Palestine is more important issue :roll:
again, the link is broken.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Sorry , that link was in Russian anyway.
Here one in english:
http://www.kavkazcenter.com/eng/content/2006/06/17/4801.shtml
In polite society it's considered "civilized" to introduce onesself
And the point in telling us is... It seems like you could lump all of this into a general "Chechnya" folder rather than giving us minute-by-minute updates of hero stories from the Chechen rebels. Look at the topics you've created so far - with the exception of your pitiful defense of Beslan the only person who's posting any follow up is you... That's because these aren't discussion topics.
Well since your so adverse to introducing yourself and you seem to know so much about me why don't you jump over to the introduction thread and introduce me.
:roll:
Hello , Im Vedeno.
Well the point is to keep the memory of what is happening in Chechnya alive in the minds of the brothers and sisters here.
I havent seen many articles about Chechnya here.
Whether the brother or sisters care is another matter but all i can do is try.
Why should all the articles be lumped together? I dont see all the articles on Palestine or Iraq lumped together. No-ones forcing you to read them.
Touchy fellow , aint ya? :roll:
Havint too many small topics on very similar topics can cause people to ignore them all.
Just like 'offbeat news' where any mildly interesting news is pout there even if it has no relevance to anything else, maybe havine one or two chechnya topic that are active would be good.
Then if an important event occurs, start a new none for that event only.
No point being hostile to Don. He does have a point.
(and no, news from 2000 does not mean start a new topic :P)
With Beslan, that is understandable as a separate topic from the rest, but the others are either russian hostilities, or chechen heroics, which can all be in one topic or so.
The reason that there are not many news articles regarding chechnya on this site is not becasue it is 'forgotten' (which at times it unfortunately is), but rather because if we post news items, they must also be readable by non-muslims. KavKaz centre may have a lot of new on it, but its all 'heroic chechen kills evil russian invaders. Again. Part 8.' now that is not unbiased enough for us to post. And other stories are too specific and do not give a broad picture. You cannot jump into the middle of a story with knowing what is going on.
At times I actuallt have a good look around if I can post something. Anything. That can be read by everyone.
That is one of the thing about The Revival site. I try not to willify anyone in news. get the facts. Lets the people decide as best as possible.
Now if you can help here, I will appreciate it alot.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Well Kavkaz isnt as biased as you suggest. If you look at the casualties they have reported of the war , it corresponds with what the the "Soldiers Mothers" group says in Russia.
As for the language , they are describing the war from their point of view.
For example in Russia if you hear about the war , you will hear about the loyal soldiers keeping constitutional order against the illegal bandit and terrorist groups.
Similarly Kavkaz portrays the war from its side , as Mujahideen against the Russian invaders.
by bias, I mean language bias.
It would be good to have neitral language.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Whats so biased about it?
Muslim fighters are Mujahideen. Russians are invaders. Its the truth!
But for a neitral audience who do not know anything aboiut it, they do not want to be forcefed predetermined views.
It is almost disneyesqe. 'He is the uber good guy that can do no bad. And he is the super evil guy that can do no good. Evarrr!!!'
Too simplistic.
Chechens can do bad things, and russians can do good things.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Since its an Islamic site , it uses Islamic terminology. "Mujahideen" , "Munafiqeen" etc.
Kavkaz also post criticism of itself. For example after Beslan , Kavkaz posted all the letters that abused it and so on.
As supporters of the resistance and independance , it is natural they present them in a good light.
Also an importsnt point is , apart from the reports on battles within Chechnya (which Kavkaz's own reporters report) alot of their stuff about Chechnya is taken from other sites , western agencies included.
Since Russian soldiers are invaders and are commting a slow genocide of the nation , do you really expect Kavkaz to have articles praising them?
Anyway since this is an Islamic site i dont see what the problem would be with news from another Islamic site.
You misunderstand. I am not criticising kavkaz there.
They are catering to the converted. They have an audience. They give their news.
But I was responding to the comment that there is not as much about Chechnya on THIS website.
I have at times seen a story that I want to add. But becasue I cannot find something suitable for THIS site, I cannot use it.
Otherwise, for news etc, and a diferent look at everything, it is cool.
(Its funny how you have been talking Kavkaz, me The Revival, without each otehr realising! :P)
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
OK bro , point taken.... finally
Just one last thing.
What type of things are you looking for , for this site?
I assume its not general news of army operations and casualties and so on. Or is it?
Or is it just general stuff on what has been happening over there? Must it appeal to non-Muslims?
Salam
It does not 'have' to appeal to non-muslims. Just not put them off our side.
And the news has to be moregeneric. Not amny know what is going on, so jumping into the middle of a complex story that we may or may not fully cover is not a good thing.
army operations and casualty figures are more of a passing comment rather than what is happening.
Maybe articls on general well being of chechens would be good to start with... followed by basic articles on what is happening. Its something that will take time to cover.
And good articles posted (with correct links!) on the forums will be taken by those with the powert, and put on the site Inshallah.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Dave,
ftr Vedeno is a Chechen border village and the scene of much strife and bloodshed amongst Russians and mujahideen.
Admin,
Since so few Muslims in those lands are particularly enamoured of mujahideen I recommend you seek to balance views such as Vedeno's, if you put them on the front page, with moderate Islamic voices. That is obviously not the same as recommending you necessarily publicise the American or Russian line. Perhaps you have access to a range of well-nuanced views within the UK Muslim community, that can give the lie to more extremist claims of representing the wishes of the umma. I believe I make this comment with neutrality in mind and to underline the difference media such as The Revival might be making.
[size=10]I feel I'm gonna move on back down south
you know where the water tastes like cherry wine[/size]
Im very impressed with your knowledge!
Not many people would have known that.
Are you saying the article was an extremist article? :?
Or do you just think im the extremist?
I dont think what ive posted is extreme , in fact i think its pretty mainstream.
I haven't said one way or another, I just know having spoken to many Muslims very frustrated and oppressed by both jihad and communism that there is a widely unspoken case for live and let live. I am not well-versed on Chechnya but I find Russia inherently very nationalist, absolutist and dangerous, and the same is certainly true of mujahideen.
[size=10]I feel I'm gonna move on back down south
you know where the water tastes like cherry wine[/size]
Asalaam alaikum,
http://www.therevival.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1326&highlight=chechnya
Use that thread to post your articles. Thank you for your contribution- the Chechens are truly the words bravest people and not short of martyrs waiting to join the caravan! May Allah swt grant them victory and peace in their land. Ameen