Just because someone does something wrong doesnt mean you pull all safety nets from under their feet.
If someone steals something and gets injured doing so, would it be advocated to not treat them for their injuries?
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"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Submitted by s.b.f on 18 November, 2012 - 17:57 #3
Is your answer a straight forward 'no' to the question in the title?
Yes, but it deserves to have an "IMO" before it as it sounds like a statement of fact right now.
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"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Just because someone does something wrong doesnt mean you pull all safety nets from under their feet.
If someone steals something and gets injured doing so, would it be advocated to not treat them for their injuries?
Is it ok to overlook a kid drinking or smoking, as long as you have not allowed them to buy it (they've stolen it or whatever) ?
I don't understand why there's a law for minimum age of sex, yet teens under that age can go and easily get condoms.
No sex should be promoted, not safe sex!
s.b.f, you have given no context to this question, obviously for some people it's fine, what exactly are you asking about?
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"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
Submitted by s.b.f on 18 November, 2012 - 18:30 #6
TPOS wrote:
s.b.f, you have given no context to this question, obviously for some people it's fine, what exactly are you asking about?
I didn't think question needed a context.
What are you confused about?
You answer to this question is: 'Yes it is wrong to provide condoms to anyone who wants it.' and your justification for it was because it promotes sex.
I don't understand why there's a law for minimum age of sex, yet teens under that age can go and easily get condoms.
Do you think that even if free condoms didn't exist that people would actually stop sexual interactions altogether?
no but that doesn't mean you make it easier for people. It's contridictory for people to warn the youth against sex if they know there's free condoms available and they aren't likely to face consequences (pregnancy) but that doesn't mean there won't be other consequences that the youth may not think about like the emotional consequences of having sex when you're not ready, or of one night stands or for Muslims, the fact that it's haraam (I'm talking outside of marraige obvs) - and there are good reasons why it's haraam.
The cons of sex at a young age/outside of marriage etc should be publicised more, instead of making it look alright.
If you're gna hand out free condoms, then there's no point in telling them about the negatives of it. It's a little bit like the "smoking kills" message on cigarette packs.
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"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
Submitted by s.b.f on 18 November, 2012 - 18:50 #8
'If you're gna hand out free condoms, then theres no point in telling them the negatives of it' ????!
It is not that straight forward and you know it.
The general idea is that people have already decided to have sex, if they're going out to get condoms.
You have to accept that a lot of people are having sex at a young age and outside marriage. Like all the time. So of course free condoms should be provided for those people to reduce trasmitted infections etc etc etc.
Do you think the 'promoting sex' aspect of free condoms outweighs the disadvantages?
I think it's better to find solutions to the problem, than solutions to the consequences of the problem. And giving free condoms is only dealing with the consequences of underage sex and to some extent helps it, therefore it's not a great thing. Of course simply taking away free condoms is not gna help either, it is a societal problem, therefore the way society thinks needs to change.
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"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
Submitted by Hummus on 18 November, 2012 - 19:18 #10
What would an unmarried girl/guy be doing with condoms?! Really, what are they playing at. I'm not saying that they have sex on their mind, but what would be the need to keep a collection if they're not going to come in use any time soon? If this is from a Muslim to Muslim person, i'd be there lecturing them, telling them, that if they really wanted a condom, they should go and get one themselves, or ask their parents to do the honours of visiting Boots. Wouldn't that person be part of the sin too, by giving them the means to have sex safely rather than preventing sex from happening in the first place?
If it was a Muslim to non-Muslim conversation, then instead of pulling out some Quranic Ayats or Hadeeth, i'd just tell them on their level. I'd tell them why i think its not such a good idea to make your sex organs so cheap so as to allow the opposite gender to make use of you in such a manner. I'd tell them, how do you know that this person that you intend to have sex with is going to be your lifelong partner? You never know, the following day they might just dump you and come to realise that people don't want you 'cause you've already lost your virginity.
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Submitted by TPOS on 18 November, 2012 - 19:26 #11
I think s.b.f is refering certain places, clinics, (pharmacies?) which give free condoms to anyone, not individual people who give to their friends.
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"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
Submitted by Hummus on 18 November, 2012 - 19:33 #12
Then, if thats what she meant, then i'd agree with what a few of you already said.
I'd rather educate them on not having sex rather than having safe sex, but in a society like today's, that's going to prove very difficult, so i'd say you'd rather give free condoms rather than not giving them condoms and then they happen to get STD's or become pregnant underage. I read something along the lines of, the UK is the country with the higest number of teenage pregnancies in Europe.
But just generally, i think as a human with sense, if you cared about yourself and you cared about other people, and you cared about self respect and about where your sex organs were going, then you would be clever enough, to use that God given brain and realise that sex before marriage isn't the best of options.
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Submitted by Castiel on 18 November, 2012 - 20:00 #13
By handing out condoms to anyone, your promoting the idea of "safe sex". So you want to ask yourself if thats really your intention?
Condoms as we all know is a form of contraception used to prevent unwanted pregnancies and STDs. Although theres no single attitude towards contraception within Islam, however most schools of thought permit it.
But i dont think that this automatically leads to promoting promiscuity. Your not automatically giving them permission to engage in sex. People will always do what they want to do. They will either use it the next time they engage in sex or they wont. Your providing a safeguard.
Sex outside of marriage however, now thats a whole different subject. But your question seemed more about whether or not contraception was permissible or not.
The above are just my thoughts based on what I know. But I hope it answers your questions.
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And I heard as it were, the noise of thunder. One of the four beasts saying come and see and I beheld, a pale horse. And his name that sat on him was Death... and Hell followed with him.
yes, because of the above mentioned argument.
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
No.
Just because someone does something wrong doesnt mean you pull all safety nets from under their feet.
If someone steals something and gets injured doing so, would it be advocated to not treat them for their injuries?
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Is your answer a straight forward 'no' to the question in the title?
Yes, but it deserves to have an "IMO" before it as it sounds like a statement of fact right now.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Is it ok to overlook a kid drinking or smoking, as long as you have not allowed them to buy it (they've stolen it or whatever) ?
I don't understand why there's a law for minimum age of sex, yet teens under that age can go and easily get condoms.
No sex should be promoted, not safe sex!
s.b.f, you have given no context to this question, obviously for some people it's fine, what exactly are you asking about?
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
I didn't think question needed a context.
What are you confused about?
You answer to this question is: 'Yes it is wrong to provide condoms to anyone who wants it.' and your justification for it was because it promotes sex.
Do you think that even if free condoms didn't exist that people would actually stop sexual interactions altogether?
no but that doesn't mean you make it easier for people. It's contridictory for people to warn the youth against sex if they know there's free condoms available and they aren't likely to face consequences (pregnancy) but that doesn't mean there won't be other consequences that the youth may not think about like the emotional consequences of having sex when you're not ready, or of one night stands or for Muslims, the fact that it's haraam (I'm talking outside of marraige obvs) - and there are good reasons why it's haraam.
The cons of sex at a young age/outside of marriage etc should be publicised more, instead of making it look alright.
If you're gna hand out free condoms, then there's no point in telling them about the negatives of it. It's a little bit like the "smoking kills" message on cigarette packs.
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
'If you're gna hand out free condoms, then theres no point in telling them the negatives of it' ????!
It is not that straight forward and you know it.
The general idea is that people have already decided to have sex, if they're going out to get condoms.
You have to accept that a lot of people are having sex at a young age and outside marriage. Like all the time. So of course free condoms should be provided for those people to reduce trasmitted infections etc etc etc.
Do you think the 'promoting sex' aspect of free condoms outweighs the disadvantages?
I think it's better to find solutions to the problem, than solutions to the consequences of the problem. And giving free condoms is only dealing with the consequences of underage sex and to some extent helps it, therefore it's not a great thing. Of course simply taking away free condoms is not gna help either, it is a societal problem, therefore the way society thinks needs to change.
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
What would an unmarried girl/guy be doing with condoms?! Really, what are they playing at. I'm not saying that they have sex on their mind, but what would be the need to keep a collection if they're not going to come in use any time soon? If this is from a Muslim to Muslim person, i'd be there lecturing them, telling them, that if they really wanted a condom, they should go and get one themselves, or ask their parents to do the honours of visiting Boots. Wouldn't that person be part of the sin too, by giving them the means to have sex safely rather than preventing sex from happening in the first place?
If it was a Muslim to non-Muslim conversation, then instead of pulling out some Quranic Ayats or Hadeeth, i'd just tell them on their level. I'd tell them why i think its not such a good idea to make your sex organs so cheap so as to allow the opposite gender to make use of you in such a manner. I'd tell them, how do you know that this person that you intend to have sex with is going to be your lifelong partner? You never know, the following day they might just dump you and come to realise that people don't want you 'cause you've already lost your virginity.
I think s.b.f is refering certain places, clinics, (pharmacies?) which give free condoms to anyone, not individual people who give to their friends.
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
Then, if thats what she meant, then i'd agree with what a few of you already said.
I'd rather educate them on not having sex rather than having safe sex, but in a society like today's, that's going to prove very difficult, so i'd say you'd rather give free condoms rather than not giving them condoms and then they happen to get STD's or become pregnant underage. I read something along the lines of, the UK is the country with the higest number of teenage pregnancies in Europe.
But just generally, i think as a human with sense, if you cared about yourself and you cared about other people, and you cared about self respect and about where your sex organs were going, then you would be clever enough, to use that God given brain and realise that sex before marriage isn't the best of options.
By handing out condoms to anyone, your promoting the idea of "safe sex". So you want to ask yourself if thats really your intention?
Condoms as we all know is a form of contraception used to prevent unwanted pregnancies and STDs. Although theres no single attitude towards contraception within Islam, however most schools of thought permit it.
But i dont think that this automatically leads to promoting promiscuity. Your not automatically giving them permission to engage in sex. People will always do what they want to do. They will either use it the next time they engage in sex or they wont. Your providing a safeguard.
Sex outside of marriage however, now thats a whole different subject. But your question seemed more about whether or not contraception was permissible or not.
The above are just my thoughts based on what I know. But I hope it answers your questions.
And I heard as it were, the noise of thunder. One of the four beasts saying come and see and I beheld, a pale horse. And his name that sat on him was Death... and Hell followed with him.