I really wanted to have a say in that topic.. Sorry Admin.. I don't think the other topic presented a fair mixture of views.

I agree there is a lot of hatred,.. but i believe Bengali's and Pakistani's have come a long way since.

The genocide did happen, my family where in the midlle of it, they saw the Burigonga river turned red, filled with floating bodies, i've seen pictures in footage.

[b]The pakistani's are not at fault.[/b] no body should hate them. same way Americans arn't at fault for mass murders taking place in the middle East by their governments.

Those who are at fault..

[i]There is no doubt that the mass killing in Bangladesh was among the most carefully and centrally planned of modern genocides. A cabal of five Pakistani generals orchestrated the events: President Yahya Khan, General Tikka Khan, chief of staff General Pirzada, security chief General Umar Khan, and intelligence chief General Akbar Khan. The U.S. government, long supportive of military rule in Pakistan, supplied some $3.8 million in military equipment to the dictatorship after the onset of the genocide.[/i]

I believe the Bengali's Jihad against the Pakistani military was for a just cause, may Allah grant the millions of martyrs Jannah.

For more info:
http://www.gendercide.org/case_bangladesh.html

Yahya Khan was also a drunk, an incompetent, and I believe if my memory serves me correctly was a shi'te. NB it is relevant to the topic as yahya khan was the military dictator under who the voting which gave Sheikh Mujibur Rahman the victory was held

"Med" wrote:

Yahya Khan was also a drunk, an incompetent, and I believe if my memory serves me correctly was a shi'te. NB it is relevant to the topic as yahya khan was the military dictator under who the voting which gave Sheikh Mujibur Rahman the victory was held

I hear Pol Pot was Shia too.

When you are that depraved who cares what religion you claim to be.

"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so" - Adolph Hitler, to Gen. Gerhard Engel, 1941

Admin perhaps you should reopen the Bengali thread - this topic is only nominally about Chechnya and it's pretty clear there is still an interest in discussing the bengali genocide.

"Don Karnage" wrote:

When you are that depraved who cares what religion you claim to be.

"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so" - Adolph Hitler, to Gen. Gerhard Engel, 1941

Admin perhaps you should reopen the Bengali thread - this topic is only nominally about Chechnya and it's pretty clear there is still an interest in discussing the bengali genocide.

Is Hitler seriously considered as a Catholic?

My teacher at high school was saying how he instituted pagan beliefs into the state religion. The overall diety was the sun and seeing as the sun can't say or do anything political or religious, Hitler was infact the implied god.

"Beast" wrote:

"Don Karnage" wrote:

When you are that depraved who cares what religion you claim to be.

"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so" - Adolph Hitler, to Gen. Gerhard Engel, 1941

Admin perhaps you should reopen the Bengali thread - this topic is only nominally about Chechnya and it's pretty clear there is still an interest in discussing the bengali genocide.

Is Hitler seriously considered as a Catholic?

My teacher at high school was saying how he instituted pagan beliefs into the state religion. The overall diety was the sun and seeing as the sun can't say or do anything political or religious, Hitler was infact the implied god.

Who knows what hitler actually believed - I suspect different things at different times. He and Ernst Roehm tried to rework a new "German religion" harkening back to the good old days that germans roamed around forests wearing dearskins and praying to oak tries.

Ironically it was Charlemagne (the first Reich) that put an end to this nonsense by chopping down said tree.

Unceremoniously.

But I don't think anybody could accuse Hitler of lying - the guy was always pretty straight forward about what he believed. In mein kampf he basically said "Let's kill all the jews" and we acted terribly surprised when they started disappearing in large numbers.

[b]Fighting Against Extermination[/b]

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From the burning ruins of Grozny came what may be a final, heartbreaking message from its Chechen defenders: `At a time when the world has left us entirely, we ask Muslims around the world not to forget the ordeal of their brothers in Chechnya fighting the jihad (holy war) against Russian oppression.'

Look at Grozny and you see a second Warsaw Ghetto. Like the valiant Jewish defenders who held off the might of the Nazi SS, Chechen, another forgotten people facing extermination, are fighting to the death against impossible odds.

I've been a combat soldier and have covered twelve high intensity wars from the front, but I have never seen anything that equals the heroism and boundless courage of the Chechen mujihadin. For the past four months, 5,000 lightly-armed Chechen warriors fighting on flat, open terrain that favors air, armor and artillery, have held 160,000 Russian troops, backed by regiments of heavy guns and rockets, helicopter gunships, ground attack aircraft, and thousands of tanks and armored vehicles. Russia's generals have repeatedly vowed to `exterminate' the Chechen. All Chechen males from 6 to 65 are being thrown into concentration camps.

Chechen mujihadin, most without any formal military training, have no heavy weapons and are chronically short of radios, anti-tank rockets and even small-arms ammunition. There is almost no medicine or morphine for their wounded, and no shelter from massive Russian bombardment that includes banned fuel air explosives, toxic gas, and napalm. If taken alive by the Russians, they will be first tortured, then executed. Chechnya is totally cut off from the outside world. Only a handful of Arab, Dagestani and Estonian `ansar,' or volunteers, have managed to slip into Chechnya to aid the struggle for independence. Many have been killed.

The bloody siege of Grozny - which Russian generals vowed to storm by early December, and Putin promised to take by New Year - still holds out at this writing. Mujihadin are defending every ruined building and mined street while some 40,000 civilians cower in cellars under non-stop Russian shelling. Still, overwhelming Russian numbers and fire power must eventually prevail. Losses are high on both sides – about one Chechen for every four Russians. How much longer can the surrounded Chechen, whose supplies are running out, continue their David v. Goliath struggle?

Renowned Chechen field commanders, Sheiks Shamil Basayev and Ibn al-Khattab, admit Grozny has no strategic value, but insist `we want to prove to the world and the Russians that despite the size, power, or technology of any enemy, there is no way they could defeat the people of belief, principal, and land.' Brave words from the world's bravest people.

So 1.5 million Chechen defy 146 million Russians – as these Caucasian mountaineers have done for the past 250 years. The Chechens who today defend Grozny are the children of a nation that has three times nearly been exterminated by Russian genocide: in the 18th, 19th, and 20th centuries, the last when Stalin had tens of thousands of Chechen shot and the remainder of the Chechen people deported to Siberian concentration camps.

In the First Chechen War, 1994-1996, Russia killed 100,000 Chechen civilians, razed much of the small country, and, in an act of monumental terrorism, scattered 17 million anti-personnel land mines across the tiny nation. Russia was driven from Chechnya in 1996, but its hardliners and communists vowed to `exterminate the Chechen bandits.' Their man Putin's first act was to declare a crusade - blessed by the Russian Orthodox Church- against Chechnya. Moscow demanded revenge for 1996 and Afghanistan.

While Russian troops fought their way into Grozny, elite Russian forces were pushing into the southern mountains. Chechen units are battling ferociously, under intense shelling and 2,000lb bombs, to defend the strategic Shatoi and Vedeno gorges. Outnumbered twenty to one, the Chechen's defence of passes vividly recalls the 300 Spartans at Thermopylae.

At least the mountainous terrain gives the mujihadin some cover; in the flat, barren north, mujihadin can only move at night. The Clinton Administration, which is largely financing Russia's genocide in Chechnya, supplied Russian attack helicopters with advanced US night-vision devices, `to combat terrorism,' says the White House. Clinton recently called for the `liberation' of Grozny' by Russia. Yet he cannot understand why so many Muslims see America as their enemy.

If the west's response to Russia's Mongol-like behavior in Chechnya has been shameful and hypocritical, the Islamic world's reaction is yet more disgraceful. Important Muslim nations, like Egypt, Malaysia, and Iran, are negotiating arms and aircraft deals with Russia. No Muslim state has dared challenge Russian brutality or anti-Muslim racism. The only nations to recognize Chechnya's declaration of independence from Russia are brave little Estonia, and Afghanistan, both of whom know full well the terror of Russian occupation. China, which oppresses its own Muslim peoples and Tibetans, loudly applauded Russia's final solution in the Caucasus.

Those who observe a monstrous crime and do nothing share guilt for it. We begin the 21st Century watching silently as a brutish Russia, which knows neither shame nor mercy, crushes the life out of a tiny but heroic people who refuse to bend their knees to Russian tyranny

Isn't the swatika a Hindu symbol?

I've read that the Aryan race controlled India many centuries ago.

[b]Chechnya: Rape and torture of children in Chernokozovo "filtration camp[/b]"

[url]http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGEUR460192000?open&of=ENG-RUS[/url]

"The soldiers often told us, 'even if you get out of here alive, you will certainly be handicapped'."
"Musa", a survivor of the Chernokozovo "filtration camp"

Amnesty International has received disturbing testimony from a survivor of the Chernokozovo "filtration camp" that detainees, including women and children, have been raped and subjected to brutal torture.

Amnesty International's field researcher interviewed in Ingushetia "Musa"*, a 21-year-old man, who was held in the Chernokozovo camp between 16 January and 5 February. He was detained in the village of Znamenskiy, while fleeing the shelling of Grozny by bus with his mother and brother. Musa was detained with 10 other men, including two teenage boys.

"Musa" was severely beaten and tortured several times each day during his detention. On 18 January, he was forced to walk between a "human corridor" of 20-25 masked men armed with clubs and hammers, who beat him and the other detainees as they passed. "Musa" was hit on his back with a hammer which has left him with a fractured spine.

"Musa" witnessed a 14-year-old girl being raped by a dozen prison guards in the corridor outside the cells in which he and other detainees were held. The girl had come to visit her detained mother and for the price of 5,000 Rubles she was permitted a five-minute meeting. Her five-minute meeting became a four-day ordeal during which she was locked in a cell, beaten and repeatedly raped by guards.

"Musa" also told Amnesty International about a 16-year-old boy called Albert, originally from the village of Davydenko, who was brought to his cell after being gang-raped and severely beaten by prison guards. One of his ears had been cut off and the guards referred to him by the female name of "Maria". "Musa" believes that up to 10 men were raped in the camp during his 21-day detention.

"Musa" shared a cell for one week with Andrey Babitsky, the Radio Liberty journalist. Among his other cell mates during his 21-day detention, were a man whose hands had been severely burnt by prison guards with cigarette lighters and a 17-year-old youth whose teeth had been sawn off with a metal file and whose lips were shredded, leaving him unable to eat, drink or speak. "Musa" estimated that 10-15 new detainees were brought to the camp each day. Among those he saw were 13-14 year-old girls.

His freedom was eventually secured on 5 February by his mother who paid 4,000 Rubles and bought the release of two Russian prisoners of war from Chechen fighters, as demanded by the camp authorities. "Musa" and his mother escaped to Ingushetia and are currently in hiding fearing for their safety after he was identified following an interview he gave about his ordeal to the national NTV channel. According to medical doctors who examined "Musa" after his release, without urgent medical treatment he risks being paralysed for life.

"'Musa's' shocking ordeal is consistent with other reports that have emerged from the Russian "filtration camps", despite continual denials by the Russian government to the international community and the media that torture and rape are prevalent in these camps," Amnesty International said.

"The Russian government must take immediate measures to end such appalling human rights violations and allow medical personnel and the International Committee of the Red Cross immediate and unhindered access to the detainees. " Amnesty International stressed.

ENDS.../

*"Musa" is not his real name. It has been changed for his own security.

"salaf" wrote:

I've read that the Aryan race controlled India many centuries ago.

Prob has something to do with Alexander's time there.

"salaf" wrote:

Isn't the swatika a Hindu symbol?

I've read that the Aryan race controlled India many centuries ago.

I don't think there is a traceable origin for the Nazis - it was a native american symbol, an indian symbol and an old crusader symbol.

The Aryans were Persians who invaded India, and set up the caste system

They weren't some sort of Atlantean White Germanic civilization that fathered all the pure races.

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"salaf" wrote:

Isn't the swatika a Hindu symbol?

I've read that the Aryan race controlled India many centuries ago.

yeh swastika is a hindu symbol.

Hitler greatly admired the hindu caste system.

The high castes in india even today are GENETICALLY closer to aryans than to the lower castes. The caste system has been"successful" in maintaining social classes.

Iranians are aryan.

Iran is a connected linguistically with the word aryan.

Ethnic cleansing by Russians. What do you expect? They [url=http://www.gendercide.org/case_soviet.html]learned from the best[/url].

[b]Russia's Nightmare Is Coming True :)[/b]

First two bitter wars in Chechnya. Then a savage massacre in Beslan. Now Russia's nightmare is coming true: an explosion of Islamic militancy across an entire region

Nick Paton Walsh
Wednesday November 30, 2005
The Guardian

Raya holds photos of her son Vyacheslav. Photograph: Nick Paton Walsh

The film is shaky, its pixillated frames jarring as it scans across the contents of the makeshift morgue. A leg, a dark mound of pubic hair, a heavily burned head, a broad chest that must for years have seemed invulnerable. About 60 bodies are heaped without decency or clothing on the floor of the refrigerated wagon, their blank faces caught by the mobile phone's camera.

"It looks like something from Treblinka," says Raya, whose son Vyacheslav, 30, a former Russian special forces soldier, lies among the dead. "I looked for him for a week before I found him there."

Yet the authorities say these are not the bodies of victims but of "terrorists", some of at least 92 men shot dead by special forces when they staged one of the biggest uprisings in Russia since the second Chechen war in 1999. On October 13, about 200 men in the sleepy southern spa town of Nalchik staged simultaneously eight armed attacks on police stations, the headquarters of the security and prison services.

The attacks failed spectacularly. Groups of about eight to 10 men, many from the town's educated, young middle classes, appeared hopelessly ill-trained to face Russia's souped-up special forces. One witness who watched the storming of the security services building recalls hearing them shouting frantically at each other: "How do you reload a grenade launcher?"

Officials say that the attacks began when police unearthed an arms dump meant to supply a larger uprising in early November, and the militants decided to go for broke, summoned by just a phone call from the underground Islamic groups that they had joined.

Police responded with brutal efficiency and the insurgency was over within hours. In total, officials said, 33 police and 12 civilians died, far fewer casualties than after previous attacks by Islamic militants in the region. But the violence had one undeniable consequence: Russia had lost the control and the cooperation of yet another town in the troubled north Caucasus.

In mid-2002, when I first came to the region, extremist and separatist violence was limited to the grey ruins of Chechnya, crippled by two separatist wars in the 90s. But by 2003, the violence had begun to spread to neighbouring Ingushetia, then further west to the tiny town of Beslan in September last year. By the end of this year, months of violence in Dagestan, to Chechnya's east, and the Nalchik attacks in the previously dozy republic of Kabardino-Balkaria, proved conclusively that the Kremlin had failed to keep a lid on the violent radicalisation of an entire region. Moscow may blame foreign fundamentalism for infecting its southern flank, but it is clear that Europe now has its own indigenous Islamist movement with militant teeth, what one analyst close to the Putin administration has called a "Russian Hamas". Extremists within the movement advocate establishing by force an Islamist caliphate across the north Caucasus.

Last Sunday, Russia attempted to complete the political solution it has imposed on the republic by holding parliamentary elections, a final bid to convince the outside world that the conflict is ebbing rather than intensifying. Ahead of the vote, I travelled from Nalchik in the republic of Kabardino-Balkaria through five other republics to see how and why Islamic radicalism began to captivate the north Caucasus.

The growing power of the jamaats

The bodies of the dead of Nalchik will not be returned to their relatives. Russian anti-terrorist laws forbid it, but critics say the move is designed to thwart the Muslim imperative to bury the dead within 24 hours.

Raya's son Vyacheslav had wanted to be a policeman when he left the elite Russian special forces. "He tried to join, but I did not have the money to pay the bribe needed to get a job there," she says. "Nobody needs people like him, who don't smoke, drink or pay bribes. All he wanted to do was live cleanly and honestly." She says her son joined a local "jamaat", or council, a strict Islamic group which claims to offer an alternative system of justice to the corruption of the local authorities.

Raya's membership of the jamaat and regular attendance at a mosque attracted the attention of the local police, says his mother. He was arrested twice, she says, once as he left prayer. "They beat him, once on the kidneys so badly that he could not work [as a builder] for a week. After you go through that, you are ready to do anything."

Tales of police abuse are echoed by others. Fatima Mamayeva's husband, Timur, is now on a police wanted list for suspected involvement in the uprising; earlier this year, he was arrested and heavily beaten four times. "They put a plastic bag over his head to partially suffocate him." She says police recently joked to her that she will have to take revenge as a "shakhidka", or female suicide bomber.

Another suspect is Rasul Kudayev, a former wrestling champion whom the Russian authorities cite as proof of the international connection to the militants. Kudayev was arrested in Afghanistan by US troops in 2001 and held in Guantánamo Bay. In May 2004, he returned home to Nalchik, telling his family he had been given mysterious coloured pills and subjected to extreme temperatures, irritant gels and stress positions. He told them that local police continued to harass him for months and then accused him of attacking a police checkpoint on October 13. They arrested him 10 days later. His lawyer, Irina Komissarova, says that when she saw him on October 26 he had to be carried into the room and had clearly been beaten.

One woman, Ira, had two sons who died in the arrests, Rustam, 25, and Ansur, 21. She says they were both graduates with no history of arrest. "If they are guilty, then they are guilty, but how can they be terrorists? They attacked government buildings and police."

The mobile phone film of the morgue is circulating, and fuelling their anger. "What do you think is going to happen next if we can't get the bodies?" says Rustam, hinting at further insurrection. "What would you want to do?"

Poverty and religion

Moscow's bid to master the predominantly Muslim Caucasus is a centuries-old and turbulent enterprise, born in tsarist times of an imperial need to "civilise" a neighbouring people. But since the fall of the proudly secular Soviet Union, corrupt local government and intense poverty have been the catalyst of an Islamic revival in the north Caucasus.

The Kremlin has often played down social decline in this tinderbox region. But in June this year, Putin's envoy to the north Caucasus, Dmitri Kozak, wrote a report for his boss that said intense local corruption, unemployment and police abuses were bolstering the role "extremist groups" and "Sharia enclaves" were playing in the region. Poverty hasn't helped; over the past three years, the United Nations Development Programme in Moscow has noted, living standards have risen across Russia but remained the same in the north Caucasus. In this climate, anger has grown, and the response from Moscow has been brutal, the practical application of Putin's famous promise to "kill the terrorists in the outhouse". All of which has made the Islamist alternative appear more attractive.

Rasul is a senior figure in the Kabardino-Balkaria jamaat. Young, well shaven and liberally doused in aftershave, Rasul is the only one of three deputies to the jamaat's head - a fugitive ideologist called Musa Mukhozhev - who is not on the run or believed to be dead.

Rasul spent three and a half years at a retreat in Saudi Arabia, where he learned Arabic. His jamaat, which forms smaller deputy councils in each village, requires that its members go to the mosque as often as possible to pray. "The jamaat is never supposed to do anything against the local government," he says. "We go to the local administration and say that we have a group of young, physically fit volunteers who are ready to help people with any problem." He says the groups, which are often led by a young man rather than a village elder, follow a contemporary take on sharia law that bans drinking and frowns upon smoking and premarital sex. Suspected criminals are called to make amends before their peers and are threatened with expulsion from the jamaat, he says. Would the group ever use violence to further its ends? "Yes. When we have to."

Rasul blames the Nalchik attacks on a months-long crackdown by police against suspected radicals. "They started arresting the youth in the villages," he says. "They were shaving crosses in their heads." He says many were tortured: a 28-year-old had a bottle inserted in his rectum and had to go to hospital to have it removed; people were battered on the kidneys; fingers were slammed in doors. A spokeswoman for the Kabardino-Balkaria police denied all accusations of torture and said such "rumours" are distributed by those interested in "destabilising the republic".

Rasul says most participants in the October 13 violence were "well connected" to local jamaats. "There is not one person who took part in that who was not beaten by the police," he claims. "If the torture continues then it [the conflict] will become more radical. If they keep beating our sisters and parking armoured personnel carriers near our houses, then the 4,800 men left in the jamaats will not listen to Musa [Mukhozhev, their leader]. They will not listen to anyone."

A lockdown now chokes Nalchik. Thousands of Russian troops, drafted in from across Russia's south, stand on street corners and sleep in school gyms, where six-year-olds now go to school next to men with AK47s. One senior Russian ministry of interior officer says: "Chechnya is now in the 10th stage [of insurgency]. They are getting cleverer and cleverer. But this place is in stage one. We have to take hardcore measures; it will die down and we can go home."

Back to Chechnya

To reach Chechnya, I have to pass through the republics of North Ossetia and Ingushetia. The former is home to Beslan, where at least 32 gunmen held a school hostage last September, killing 331, roughly half of whom were children. In 2002, the United Nations rated Ingushetia as the second worst place to live in Russia (after the remote republic of Tyva, just north of Mongolia). Since then it has also begun to resemble a conflict zone. In June last year, militants took over the capital Nazran for a night, killing up to 100 local police.

Chechnya's own capital, Grozny, is a city ground down to a dusty despair. When I arrived, prior to the elections on Sunday, it was under a deep fog. The vote marked an almost surreal attempt to impose some common ground on the warring factions among Chechen society, whose internecine violence is proving such a powerful recruiting tool for Islamic militants. The pro-Kremlin party, United Russia, won nearly two-thirds of the votes, amid widespread accusations of serious electoral fraud.

In March 2003, the Kremlin handed over control of Chechnya to a loyal group of Chechens headed by the mayor of Grozny, Akhmed Kadyrov. Installed as president in October that year, he and his son Ramzan, 28, began buying up an impressive army of former militants and mercenaries that became known as the "Kadyrovtsi" - Kadyrov's people.

The Kremlin gave these pro-Russian Chechens the task of suppressing fellow Chechen separatists and militants, thus turning Chechen against Chechen. The Kadyrovtsi, who quickly earned the Russian military's brutal reputation, have gradually become the republic's new caretakers.

There are now four main groupings among the pro-Russian Chechens, some more orderly than others. On June 4, a unit from one of the battalions carried out an operation on the border between Chechnya and Dagestan. Just after 4pm, 300 masked troops burst into the village of Borozdinovskaya and, in an uncomfortable echo of the Beslan massacre, herded its men into the school, where they were held, say witnesses, for nine hours. Eleven men were led away and have not been heard of since.

It's a familiar equation, one that Zerem, a senior commander in another unit, says makes the militants even more popular. "All the time we are bickering among ourselves, they get stronger and stronger," he says, pointing to a region on a map of Chechnya on the wall of his Grozny office. With his finger he draws an oval around four villages in the south: the volatile Vedeno and Nozhai-Yurt regions. In this region, Zerem says, the militant leader Doha Umarov commands 200 men out of a scattered force of about 3,000 Islamic militants.

Zerem says this year eight men have left his home village to join the Islamists. "The militants are agitating very strongly right now. They have a recruiter in every village. The government is paying no attention to the youth at the moment, and if someone is beaten, let's say by federal troops, he will join the militants to take revenge."

Dagestan

High in the hills of the mountains above the Dagestani capital of Makhachkala, about four hours' drive from Grozny, is the village of Ghimri. A ramshackle tunnel bores through the mountains for the last three miles, leading out on to what seems like a different country, the green star and crescent flags of Islam peppering the unrefined beauty of the landscape.

The local school teaches Arabic, women cover their hair, arms and legs, and in rare cases, their faces. When someone was last caught drinking two years ago, they got 40 lashes. Local criminals are asked to repent before their peers at the local mosque. Most residents claim the village adheres to some form of sharia law; whether it adheres to Russian law is open to question. In May three men shot dead a local police chief who was trying to stop them blowing up the tunnel to the village. They hid in Ghimri, the village refused to give them up and the police dared not enter.

Outside the mosque, Magomed-Ali, 17, says: "We have sharia here. Theft does not occur. People do not drink. Some smoke, but only a bit." The town has its own jamaat that works alongside (some say above) the local administration.

Habib, 27, moved here after finishing his Islamic studies in Syria in 2001. "Each person has their own path and we have ours here," he says. "You know the situation. Our youth talk about jihad. I have my children, my family and we all fulfil what we can of our Islamic obligations."

Habib expresses concern that the federal authorities might move to reassert secular control over the village. "Who wants their home destroyed?" he asks. He is right to be concerned. The town of Karamakhi , a mucky cabbage plantation a few hours drive from Ghimri, renounced Russian rule and declared itself under sharia law in 1998. By September the next year, Putin's military had removed many of the roofs from the village's houses, leaving its 5,000 residents to live among the ruins. According to Ibadullah Mukayev, now the head of the local administration, at least 50 residents were killed. "People saw how bad it was," says Mukayev, "what happened to their homes. If you go against Russia, where do you go?"

But Dagestan retains active, extremist local jamaats. Explosions and gunfights have claimed the lives of police and militants almost every second day since January. In Makhachkala, I am given a propaganda video made by local young "mujahideen" by a militant sympathiser who gives his name only as Abdul. The son of a well-known Islamic ideologist in the region, he begins the now familiar justification. He was himself tortured by the police two years ago, he says. "They picked me up off the street, and knew who I was. They beat me with telephone cables, batons. They put a gas mask on my head and beat my chest. I weighed 70 kilograms when I went in, and 47 when I came out two months later." He lists other torture methods he has heard of: objects violently inserted into the anus, women and children raped in front of male relatives. The Dagestani police deny all allegations of torture.

Like Rasul in Nalchik, Abdul is a meek young man reeking of aftershave. Yet his rhetoric becomes less gentle when he speaks of what should follow. "The reaction of any man to this is to take up arms and get revenge. The jamaat provides a focus for the soul, and our members are not the unemployed or discontented, but the educated and middle class. We have lost 40 Dagestani members of the jamaat so far this year against the police. The aim of the jamaat is to create a united Islamic caliphate in the north Caucasus and live as is written in the Koran. Will the fight be difficult? Yes. It is written that it should be."

Civilian casualties are an "unintentional consequence" of jihad, he says. As we pass a checkpoint, he winds up the window between him and the police officer outside and continues with an ominous confidence.

"No part of this jamaat is underground. We can all go where we want, rent a flat, raise a family, travel to Moscow." He mocks police incompetence: "They do not know who we are." Then he shakes my hand in parting, courteous and demure. "Assalam alaikum," he says. Peace be with you.

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"(*_Shazan" wrote:

[b]Russia's Nightmare Is Coming True :)[/b]

First two bitter wars in Chechnya. [b]Then a savage massacre in Beslan.[/b] Now Russia's nightmare is coming true: an explosion of Islamic militancy across an entire region

You shouldn't be smiling at this...

Whats the words they use to describe the chechen women fighters?

Black widows?

[url]http://www.crimesofwar.org/chechnya-mag/[/url]

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"Med" wrote:

Whats the words they use to describe the chechen women fighters?

Black widows?

Yes. May Allah grant them vicotry. Ameen

ameen.

Sometimes the women leave men standing behind.

The First to accept the islaam at Nabi Muhammad salallahu alayhi wa sallam's hand was a woman - Ammi Khadijah radhiyallahu anha.

The First to be martyred in the way of ALLAH in islaam was a woman - Hadrat Sumayya Umm Ammar radhiyallahu anha.

mashaALLAH. Some women today even follow in the footsteps of their illustrious elders.

I admire her very much! She certainly taught a few people

“I know what I am doing; Paradise has a price and I hope
this will be the price for Paradise.”

Hawaa’ Barayev, The Sword of the Hijab.

To all Muslims!

To all those who failed to fulfill their duties to their brothers and sisters in Chechnya,

To all those who waste their time with worldly exploits while Muslims are slaughtered in Chechnya and other parts of the world…

Take heed of the message issued by a young Muslim woman who wore the Hijab and was not even 20 years old, whose final words were: “I know what I am doing; Paradise has a price and I hope this will be the price for Paradise.”

Moments later, sister Hawaa’ Barayev drove a car laden with explosives through the streets of Alkhan Kala and into a building that was used by the leadership of Russian Special Forces in Chechnya. Russian troops unleashed a hail of fire in an attempt to stop sister Hawaa’, but Allah had chosen to give victory to her and to her message. She drove the car through the gates and into the centre of the building. The explosives detonated ripping through the structure and causing heavy damage.

After the dust settled, 27 Russian soldiers, many of them senior Special Forces officers, lay dead. The building used by the Russian Special Forces was severely damaged, and a Russian army of 270,000 Russians watched helplessly as a female warrior of Allah drove a knife through the heart of the leadership of ussia’s ‘elite’ forces. The massive damage to the building and the hundreds of panicky Russian soldiers who surrounded the structure after the attack belied official statements that only few soldiers were killed or wounded in the attack.

Sister Hawaa’s sacrifice for the sake of Allah and the Muslims is a warning to the unbelievers not only in Chechnya, but across the world, that the people of Allah will no longer accept the tyranny of infidels. It is a warning to all those who think they can commit crimes against Muslim women and children without being accountable for such crimes; Hawaa’ Barayev taught the enemies of Allah that they will be held accountable and will be hunted down by the soldiers of Allah; Hawaa’ Barayev taught the enemies of Allah that the Ummah of Islam still has, and will always have, mothers who give birth to Mujahideen, men and women, who will defend the faith and honour of Muslims everywhere.

Will those Muslims who are sitting in the comfort of their homes learn the lessons taught to the world by Hawaa’ Barayev; will you follow in her example of unquestioning faith and heroic selflessness? Will you support your brothers and sisters in Chechnya with your strength, political and financial? Will you at least remember your brothers and sisters in Chechnya in your prayers?

This operation has added a new dimension to the guerilla war that the Mujahideen are undertaking as part of their effort to exterminate the presence of Russian forces in Chechnya. May Allah increase the number and scope of such operations, and may He grant His Infinite Mercy to our beloved sister and martyr of the Ummah, Hawaa, for truly is He the Most Gracious and Most Merciful, and we do not sanctify anyone above Him.

Shortly after news of the operation spread, Field Commander Ramadan Ahmadov commented: “The men of Chechnya who are sitting at home and doing nothing can no longer look at the faces of their women any more; may Allah have mercy on sister Hawaa’.”

Hawaa’ Barayev is the first woman to launch such a martyrdom operation in Chechnya. She is not the first woman martyr in Chechnya, for there have been many of our sisters who have died at the hands of the Russian cowards. However, sister Hawaa’ has set a precedent with her actions; not only has she followed in the footsteps of her elder cousin, the brilliant field commander, Arbi Barayev, she has also reinforced the determination of the Mujahideen to live, fight and die for the sake of Allah Most High.

May Allah grant His Victory to the Mujahideen in Chechnya, and may He reserve for them a lofty position in the highest levels of Paradise and in the shade of His Glorious Throne. May one of these Mujahideen be our sister and martyr of this Ummah and may her words be embedded in the hearts of Muslims verywhere:

“I know what I am doing; Paradise has a price and I hope
this will be the price for Paradise.”

Hawaa’ Barayev, The Sword of the Hijab.

"(*_Shazan" wrote:

Hawaa’ Barayev, The Sword of the Hijab.

mashaALLAH, I remember reading about this Hadrat. mashaALLAH.

Qur’an Brings Smile to Chechen Refugees in Austria

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Austrian Muslims have brought a smile to dozens of Chechen faces who sought refuge in the European country with the distribution of much-needed Russian translations of the meanings of the Noble Qur’an.

“We aim to closely knit Chechen families to their faith and to educate them about Shari`ah and teach them Arabic to protect them from a ferocious proselytizing campaign in the country,” Fareed Soliman, who supervises the distribution of the copies, told IslamOnline.net Tuesday, January 17.

Soliman, a physician, said 100 copies have been handed to 20 Chechen families in a refugee camp outside the capital city of Vienna.

A Chechen woman refugee, who requested anonymity, said that her peers are vulnerable to Christian proselytizers.

“Church representatives are visiting us on a weekly basis, but we give them a rowdy reception because we know their real intentions,” she told IOL, adding that they were trying their best to protect young generations.

Each mosque in Vienna also has now a copy to meet the needs of Chechen worshippers.

“I was approached by a Chechen the other day and at first glance I though he was seeking shelter or cash, but I found out that he needed a Qur’an, which moved me greatly,” said Mohsen Ali, an engineer based in Vienna.

Sheikh Othman, a Chechen researcher in Shari`ah, said an Al-Azhar institute in Vienna will assign Chechen tutors to teach children Arabic and help them memorize the Noble Qur’an thanks to Austrian Muslims.

Muslims are estimated at 400,000 in Austria of the country's eight million population. Islam, which was officially recognized in Austria in 1912 during the reign of Czar Franz Joseph, is considered the second religion in the country after Catholicism.

Chechen Mosque

But the most pressing demand by Chechens is to have a mosque in which sermons and lectures are delivered in Russian, the mother tongue of the vast majority of Chechen refugees.

Austrian Muslims had already raised funds for the mosque, but still need much more to get basic amenities like electricity and heating systems.

There are between 18 and 20 thousand Chechen refugees in Austria’s nine states. Vienna alone is home to six thousands.

“Only three Chechens have been granted Austrian citizenship so far,” Sheikh Othman noted.

Refugees are grateful to the Austrian government for the kind treatment. The Refugees Authority provides Chechens with halal food and alcohol-free drinks.

The government body already pays each refugee in the country, whether Chechen or not, a monthly sum of 40 euros in addition to a makeshift shelter and daily hot meals.

The small mountainous republic of Chechnya has been ravaged by conflict since 1994, with just three years of relative peace after the first Russian invasion of the region ended in August 1996 and the second began in October 1999.

At least 100,000 Chechen civilians and 10,000 Russian troops are estimated to have been killed in both invasions, but human rights groups have said the real numbers could be much higher.

The wars have forced up to half a million Chechens to flee the country to neighboring and European countries. Women, who lost their husbands to the wars, make up most of the refugees.

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"Med" wrote:

mashaALLAH, I remember reading about this Hadrat. mashaALLAH.

[b]Du’aa for the Mujahideen

The Supplication is as follows:- [/b]

"O Allaah Revealer of the Book, Recompenser of the Final account, Destroyer of the confederates. O Most Powerful, O Most Magnificent! O Allaah, verily we ask you to disperse their (the enemy's) gunfire (upon our warriors) and to shake the ground from beneath their feet and strike terror into their hearts. O Allaah, cripple their support and blind their vision and send upon them decay and disease. O Allaah, divide them against one another and disperse their unity and strike heavy discord amongst their ranks, and make them flee to their destruction, and show us from amongst your wonders and strength that you mete out to them, and make an example of them for those who are heedless. O Allaah quicken their defeat and make their wealth war booty for the Muslims."

"O Allaah grant aid and victory to our brothers, the Mujahideen (all over the world in general, and specifically in Chechnya and Palestine, from amongst the people of the land and the Helpers), and unite their ranks and bring them together upon the word of truth. O Allaah, direct their aim and strengthen their support, and make them steadfast and send upon them your tranquillity and heal their hearts and guide them to all that is good, and cause us (who sit at home) to join their ranks, O Answerer of supplications."

"O Allaah, give them authority and rule, and aid them with your Army of the Heavens and the Earth, O Lord of the Worlds"

Salam

Chechen war is going on since 1994.

Troops invaded the country on 11 December 1994.

For the last 12 years the Russian military has failed to subdue the Chechens.

Using the gun to win over population is not going to work.

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Omrow

"Omrow" wrote:

Salam

Chechens.

Using the gun to win over population is not going to work.

Omrow

And the Jihad continues.......................

"Omrow" wrote:

Salam

Chechens.

Using the gun to win over population is not going to work.

Omrow

Actually its the other way around. The russians are using guns to control the chechen population.

Afterall it did become independent for a while... then the russian guns rolled in.

Using the gun to win over population is not going to work.

I’ve been reading the Beslan thread with great interest, and although it saddens me when Muslim views are polarized, whenever the plight of the Chechens are mention- all rational arguments are debunk with the terrible events of Beslan. The Russian spin machines have achieved their objective well- and that is to tarnish all Chechens as bloodthirsty terrorist- if innocence Chechens victims were wrapped around cotton wool and given the spotlight under the world's media, then our damnation would only be reserve for the Russians. Alhamdulilah my work with Save Chechnya will continue