I've picked 'Normal' but what i really mean is a bit of everything. These options are a little restricted. I think we have a whole range of personalities. Those that bash every word you say and who are too critical. Those that come here for a bit of advice. Those that write some pretty good things and want to share them. Those that allow everything and anything. Those that don't give a toss about anyone else. Lots of different sorts meh thinks.

It was restricted on purpose

were young people looking for our path, we're not scholars so we might come across as "liberal". as long as no one forces anything on anyone tis fine. people need to explain themselves man..

[quote=Titanium]what the heck?! 81 % of voters think this site is too liberal? this forum is NOT liberal, far from it and if you think this forum is liberal then, my friends, you havent seen true 21st Century liberalism.[/quote]

Lol someone clearly voted extreme

*blum3*

I'd like to hear the reasoning behind the extreme vote, I don't understand it. One or two people who are extreme are more the exceptions rather than norm, and in a general sense I can't see how we're extreme! :S

RE last para. thats subjective. peoples guilt level is different for all.

But I don't want to bend my boundaries to be less guilty. I'd rather feel more guilty, which in turn, would make me act on my guilt and be a better person.

You don't need to vote to see the results, you can click on the poll and at the top there is a tab which lets you view the results.

I'm not suprised most people chose 'too liberal'

Normal with a slight hint of craziness :/ lol basically we all feel strongly on certain issues doesn't make you extreme nor should it mean you be labelled as too liberal when failing to agree with everyone around you.

What do you mean "we", you don't count, you're not a registered member 😛

[quote=Titanium][quote=Seraphim][quote=Titanium]what the heck?! 81 % of voters think this site is too liberal? this forum is NOT liberal, far from it and if you think this forum is liberal then, my friends, you havent seen true 21st Century liberalism.[/quote]

Lol someone clearly voted extreme

*blum3*[/quote]

I haven't voted yet as Titanium because I'm not too comfortable with the options provided above. I had to vote on something to see the statistics so far.

But yes, I still think this forum doesn't know what liberalism is all about and I don't think It'd like to promote it either. Lilly is right to some extent, this forum is a way for young and confused to find some solitude and confidence in their choices hence it may APPEAR liberal but that doesn't mean that it is. It may be liberal compared to some of the orthodox serious no nonse/no life/ no fun/ strict sects but it's not liberal at all.

Only if you guys knew how far the bending and breaking rules could go without feeling guilty, I don't think you'd like to be associated with "liberal muslims".[/quote]

Interesting... you didnt vote as Titanium... so who did you vote as??

#ThePlotThickens

Dear me. You ARE allowed to vote without having an account on here. I could vote 20 times and none of you would know. It's only when you're a registered user that you can only vote once. 

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Dictionary meaning of LIBERAL: Open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values.

Hmmm.. Now that i'm thinking of it what sort of liberalism are we talking about?

'Cause if you're talking about being a member in society and general things, we ALL are liberal in some way or another.

Even on The Revival, we share our opinions. We might not think in exactly the same way so we'll ask for clarifications and explanations, but its just broadening our understanding and letting us hear what other people have to say. So we ARE being liberal in that sense.

If you're talking about it on religious grounds, then it's important that we acknowledge that not everyones going to agree with our religion and our behaviour and certain parts within a religion either.

Willing to discard traditional values? That's fine too. Tradition in terms of culture can go in the bin if it likes. But i think it's important, well for me its important, that i DON'T discard RELIGIOUS values. 

Too broad - Depends on what angle you want to see it from.

your all crazy

[quote=abualabbasassaffah7]your all crazy[/quote]

I take that as a compliment! 😉

[quote=Hummus][quote=abualabbasassaffah7]your all crazy[/quote]

I take that as a compliment! ;)[/quote]

you just prove my point

[quote=abualabbasassaffah7][quote=Hummus][quote=abualabbasassaffah7]your all crazy[/quote]

I take that as a compliment! ;)[/quote]

you just prove my point[/quote]

LOOOOL!!!

[quote=abualabbasassaffah7]your all crazy[/quote]

So what you still doing here then? 

Do you like to be in the company of crazy people?

That makes you crazier..

[quote=_Me_][quote=abualabbasassaffah7]your all crazy[/quote]

So what you still doing here then? 

Do you like to be in the company of crazy people?

That makes you crazier..[/quote]

to fix you all up

[quote=abualabbasassaffah7][quote=_Me_][quote=abualabbasassaffah7]your all crazy[/quote]

So what you still doing here then? 

Do you like to be in the company of crazy people?

That makes you crazier..[/quote]

to fix you all up[/quote]

😂

Since when did you care to fix any of us up? 

[quote=_Me_][quote=abualabbasassaffah7][quote=_Me_][quote=abualabbasassaffah7]your all crazy[/quote]

So what you still doing here then? 

Do you like to be in the company of crazy people?

That makes you crazier..[/quote]

to fix you all up[/quote]

😂

Since when did you care to fix any of us up? [/quote]

right from the begining for the sake of allah to makesure people here dont follow the wrong things otherwise whats the point

if i hated you would i try and correct you i wouldve said i ahte you better to leave you with incirrect beliefs and increase your chance for hell not that im going jannat though inshallah we will

back in the days when muslims were divided their beleifs was atleast in the right zone today were both split and dont even have the right aqeedah views and others atleast lets be in the correct way first and along with this increase unity

Wrong things..

Right, ok.

Each to their own I guess.

he does say right stuff though..but the way he says it..urgh.

[quote=Lilly]he does say right stuff though..but the way he says it..urgh.[/quote]

yeah thats correct

[quote=abualabbasassaffah7][quote=Lilly]he does say right stuff though..but the way he says it..urgh.[/quote]

yeah thats correct[/quote]

... And realisation dawned upon thee...

🙂

[quote=Hummus][quote=abualabbasassaffah7][quote=Lilly]he does say right stuff though..but the way he says it..urgh.[/quote]

yeah thats correct[/quote]

... And realisation dawned upon thee...

:)[/quote]

i was always aware of it

so whats the reason for your user name hummus

[quote=abualabbasassaffah7]so whats the reason for your user name hummus[/quote]

Do you like it? lol. I don't pronounce it with the Arab-ness that it should have 'cause then they'd be throat/full-mouth letters to pronounce. I'm not a fan of the dip either and i barely eat it but one of the users suggested it to me, so i thought why not and decided to keep it that way. 

[quote=Hummus][quote=abualabbasassaffah7]so whats the reason for your user name hummus[/quote]

Do you like it? lol. I don't pronounce it with the Arab-ness that it should have 'cause then they'd be throat/full-mouth letters to pronounce. I'm not a fan of the dip either and i barely eat it but one of the users suggested it to me, so i thought why not and decided to keep it that way. [/quote]

not a username to like or dislike brother

How come I never knew about Hummus being a 'brother'. :S

[quote=_Me_]How come I never knew about Hummus being a 'brother'. :S

 [/quote]

how can anyone know without that description being on the profile like all the other forums

every person is different

we look at 4 caliphas, abu bakr ra soft person, umar ra harsh strict, uthman ra shy, ali ra was in between abu bakr ra and umar ra not too harsh but not too soft either and he was not shy

evey person is different so the way they deliever their speach will be different

but yeah it is important to keep the listeners hooked in so the need to use certain techniques to keep them in is important but every speakers have their own style, some fast some slow some in between,  others funny, others serious others calm

theirs different types depending ont he person

What I meant by "having a personality" was they're entertaining, have charisma etc. I know people have different personalities, but for this I just meant, would it be good enough for someone to just sit there and give the facts with a mostly neutral expression or do people expect/want/need more.

[quote=TPOS]What I meant by "having a personality" was they're entertaining, have charisma etc. I know people have different personalities, but for this I just meant, would it be good enough for someone to just sit there and give the facts with a mostly neutral expression or do people expect/want/need more.[/quote]

its good to see scholars throw in some jokes or humour which makes things a bit interesting rasulullah saw did joke and he said as long as you joke makesure it contains no lie so joking is sunnah so putting that in your islamic lecture will make it better again depending on the topic for example entertainment is not best tool to use in afghanistan palestine syria affairs but for biography of a sahaba ra it can be used

No, we shldnt fall in yhe trap of wanting ertatnment rverywhere. Thats our loss. Really its going to be our loss. Ehat I meant by per so nality is having manners, nt being jsrsh, being on the level of the listeners, nt looking down on them. But abt entertaining liateners. Thats wrong. Look at the news. We wanted entertainment so nw we dnt get real nrws. Jist flashy n superfitial garbage.

A speaker must hold the interest of the listeners. (preach with wisdom etc.)

How thats done, well many ways and depending the audience, some will like plain facts others may need greater engagement.

[quote=Lilly]No, we shldnt fall in yhe trap of wanting ertatnment rverywhere. Thats our loss. Really its going to be our loss. Ehat I meant by per so nality is having manners, nt being jsrsh, being on the level of the listeners, nt looking down on them. But abt entertaining liateners. Thats wrong. Look at the news. We wanted entertainment so nw we dnt get real nrws. Jist flashy n superfitial garbage.[/quote]

jazakallahkhair

I like how this has exactly 100 votes :p

I was listening to a talk and the speaker mentioned how in the past people used to travel far and wide to gain knowledge and then they'd get their and some of the scholars/teachers would be quite boring and may even speak in a low tone and so one - basically they weren't like the sort of teachers we want today.

In that sense, it's right not to expect every speaker to have a "personality" as long as they pass on the necessary information. It shows that you have the determination to learn despite the hurdles in between.

On the other hand, it depends on your personality, some people just may not be able to listen to such a talk at all, they just may not benefit from it.

Furthermore there's no harm in using the knowledge we have today to help people learn better - for example the time spent on a talk - people may think it's good and easy to teach someone about something for a whole day non-stop, but it'd be silly to ignore things like the attention span of people. Also more on topic, these days, we probably do want a little more entertainment, I don't think there's anything wrong with that as an idea, but I think there probably could be too much. It's a matter of striking the balance. Actually I don't think it's so much as wanting to be entertained, but more being able to relate, and having a sort of "relationship" with the speaker, so they don't sound so robotic, I think that's what's more important and it's the jokes and "entertainment" which help to do that.

i guess then we need to divide the seeking knowledge into the student of knowledges teachers and the general speakers who talk to the masses.

the one who talk to the masses wld need more of a "personality" than the student of knowledge's teachers. coz for the former the listener might not be interested/willing; for the latter the listener is willing.

[quote=Lilly]i guess then we need to divide the seeking knowledge into the student of knowledges teachers and the general speakers who talk to the masses.

the one who talk to the masses wld need more of a "personality" than the student of knowledge's teachers. coz for the former the listener might not be interested/willing; for the latter the listener is willing.[/quote]

I remember NAK giving an example that Umar (ra) wouldn't respond to like a full on lecture whereas Abu Bakr (ra) who had a different personality would. I think again it goes back to being able to relate to your audience, but yes to some extent those divisions are sensible.

A lot of talks revolve around emotional issues and most of the time when you can hear or see the person delivering the talk being effected by the words he is uttering to the point where he finds it hard to continue is something which really captures the moment for me and embeds in me that same emotion that for example the sahaba may Allah be pleased with them may have felt.

Very simple example, i'd find it hard to listen to someone talking about the death of the prophet pbuh and the state of the sahabah on that woeful day in a way in which he or she was showing no emotion at all...and yea there are many scholars like that who can literally go on for ages in that same dreary tone which does nothing to keep the listener active.

However that's not to write them off, after all every scholar has gone through some difficulty or another to attain whatever knowledge that is in their possession. But like i said for me, i need to hear that the lecturer is passionate in his words and really knows what buttons to push to attract the audience and to make their words as such that they will have a lasting effect upon the listener.

When i read the title i kind of thought you meant should the speaker have good manners etc and know the proper etiquettes of delivering talks and also of other things. The latter is just as important IMO, i can't listen to someone who feels the need to shout and bring the house down with each and everyword and feel the need to write and slag other people off in their speech.

I have a photo on the Oblivion ride.

Everyone is pulling a face, grabbing the bars, looking like they're about to cry and I'm the only one with my arms up with the worlds biggest (cheesiest) smile on my face.

I love that picture...

WHAT A QUESTION!!

OF COURSE ALTON TOWERS IS BETTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I still remember oblivion. So much great memories. Went on it twice too!!

Although Blackpool has fairly good thrill rides aswell. Just A.MA.Z.I.N.G. >_<

I love scary rides me, and oblivion was just the highlight of Alton Towers. 

[quote=_Me_]

I love scary rides me, and oblivion was just the highlight of Alton Towers. 

[/quote]

I used to too. Then I got a road legal superbike (0-62 in 2.02 seconds, almost 80mph in 1st gear) and started having fun on the M40.

No theme park ride comes within 10,000 miles of that thrill.

It's truely awesome.

Hate theme parks

cant think of a worse place to have a good time

think the last time I went, I sat under a tree and ate

whilst everyone went on rides

Lol! 

Has anyone ever been on a rollercoaster straight after they've gotten off one? I think I've done that atleast twice for every scary ride in Alton Towers I've ever been on, although I was forced to go on Infusion in Blackpool and nearly died. That was the only ride I came off with a massive headache because it went so fast and you stay upside down for longer.

Oh and another one which was really bad, because it went really high up and upside down and everything whilst spinning around, and my silly headscarf came in the way and covered my eyes so I couldn't see anything. Which made it so much more worse! 

The adrenaline you get before and after you go on scary rides is just something to remember. 

This poll has just brought back all the joys and memories! 😃

I kept being told that Thorpe Park is awesome, the best etc so before I went I had high expectations of it. But when I did go it didn't live upto my expectations! Most of the rides were kinda lame although I loved stealth and one or two others. I did think I was going to break my neck on one of them though! I remember having a similar feeling of being injured when going upside down, on one of the rides in Blackpool maybe the Pepsi Max? 

But yh, I do love the adrenaline from the rides 😃

Last place i visited was Drayton Manor. For the first time, ever, i didn't faint. That was probably because they'd removed Black Revolver. I don't know why i faint on that but its happened about two-three times. I wouldn't even call it a ride. Its not a thriller. Its not a rollercoaster. You don't even have to wear a seatbelt lol. Its just pitch black, loud hurting-your-ears type music, and you spin and spin and spin and spin and it gets faster and faster and faster. That's all.

Thorpe park is closer and the tidal wave is awesome 

LOL Muffy i cant believe u postd ths poll.

[quote=Seraphim]LOL Muffy i cant believe u postd ths poll.

 [/quote]

The old one was boring me so I had to change it, this was a good enough replacement. Although this result is surprising - no one has voted no?! 

[quote=TPOS][quote=Seraphim]LOL Muffy i cant believe u postd ths poll.

 [/quote]

The old one was boring me so I had to change it, this was a good enough replacement. Although this result is surprising - no one has voted no?! [/quote]

I told you the everyone would agree. Well... the millions and millions anyway haha.

i havent had an adrenaline rush in a while.....

but there's got to be more interesting ways to get adrenaline pumping right?

[quote=Lilly]

but there's got to be more interesting ways to get adrenaline pumping right?

[/quote]

A MOTORBIKE - WHY IS NO ONE LISTENING TO ME...!!!???

That's an awesome idea, but the amount of accidents i have seen involving motorbikes scares me. 

Edit: The image isn't working.

Can't see anything but a white box with a red X in it...?

Can't see anything but a white box with a red X in it...?

[quote=Northen Southener]Can't see anything but a white box with a red X in it...?[/quote]

same here.

ill pass on the motorbike. not enough control. how abt learning martial arts..oooh...being able to use a bow and arrow, or a sword..i'll even be grateful with a slingshot (i think).

if i cld go on a trip up in the far eastern mountains, just spend my time learning a martial arts and being muslim. and nt think abt anything else. oh. the awesomeness of it. 6 months or so.

hmm...looking at my pc, i think we have a problem, my tagball has turned into just tag words. we must be missing some kind of plugin...

[video:http://youtu.be/2d-ySfbhILQ]

Needs?

Not that it bothers me or anything, but you've totally blanked me out TPOS and I absolutely hate not knowing

Bearing in mind I have VERY little knowledge, I would love to know what you really mean

Printing out prayer timetables every month? 

Reciting the Adhaan everyday?

I'm probably the only one who's always curious.

I'll just continue assuming otherwise

-Having the mosque open at the appropriate times

-leading all 5 prayers

-offering daily classes for children - teaching them well

-Having sufficient space for women

-Having regular events for women to participate in (not just always having mens stuff!)

-offering support for the community

And so on. Anything that helps the mosque be a sort of centre point for the Muslim community

I don't know what i regard as my own local mosque, since the one that my Dad prays at is different to the ones that i've studied at and the one that i study at right now. There's just too many to chose from. But if i put them all together, then i think they totally serve the needs of the Muslim community, 100%, for both men, women and children. They're all doing a VERY GOOD job! Go go Brummieland!

🙂

Mosques in Luton aren't doing a great job in regards to inviting speakers over...it's like the good speakers attend birmingham and london and avoid Luton like the plague. But i guess that's because London will just attract more people and it's not too far away...

Other than that mosques around here are doing a great job with classes for children and UK Islamic Mission has also been pretty active for the last 6 months or so

But all in all i think Birmingham and London are outdoing the rest and mashAllah attract muslim brothers and sisters from all over