You're welcome peacegirl! Actually the online guides weren't seeing far enough ahead so while I was shopping for birthday and Chanuka presents today I flicked through a TV magazine just for you.
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[size=10]The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.[/size]
[size=9]Bertrand Russell (1872 - 1970)[/size]
Submitted by yashmaki on 13 December, 2006 - 21:38 #32
CHRISTMAS
Treating Christmas with Respect
by Abdul Malik Mujahid
Christmas is an annual Christian religious holiday commemorating the birth of Prophet Jesus, peace be upon him. For many Muslims who even do not celebrate the birthday of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, it becomes an issue of what stand they should take.
There have been a number of legitimate criticisms of the holiday from Muslims and non-Muslims based on theological and cultural considerations. However, this cannot be used to disregard the holiday as merely an exercise in ancient pagan practices, for instance, or excessive consumerism. Muslims have to remember that for practicing Christians, Christmas really is about Jesus.
Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, was so accommodating of Christians that according to the two earliest Islamic historians, Ibn e Saad and Ibn Hisham, the Prophet even allowed a delegation of 60 Byzantine Christians from Najran in Yemen to worship in his own mosque in Madinah. Lead by their bishop (Usquf), they had come to discuss a number of issues with him. When time of their prayer came, they asked the Prophet's permission to perform this in the mosque. He answered, "conduct your service here in the mosque. It is a place consecrated to God."
God expects us to stay away from mocking the religious beliefs of others, no matter how much we disagree with them. He says in the Quran: "And insult not those whom they (disbelievers) worship besides God, lest they insult God wrongfully without knowledge. Thus We have made fair-seeming to each people its own doings; then to their Lord is their return and He shall then inform them of all that they used to do" (Quran, 6:108).
We also have to remember that even if for many nominal Christians, the celebration is not really about participating in religious traditions, Christmas is a time for families to get together. In a number of cases it is the only time of year families get together, either because family members are scattered in different parts of the country or the world, because of communication and relationship problems, or because in America today, the family unit is becoming weaker and weaker.
Christmas is a great time to relate to our neighbors. We should not forget though, that "relating" does not mean "preaching". Dawa cannot be made in a rude manner. Allah says in the Quran: "Invite (all) to the Way of your Lord with wisdom and beautiful advice, and reason with them by ways that are the best and most gracious: because your Lord knows best, (those) who have strayed from His Path, and those who receive guidance " (Quran, 16:125).
In particular, when dealing with Jews and Christians, Allah says: "Do not argue with the People of the Book unless it is in the politest manner, except for those of them who do wrong. Say: 'We believe in what has been sent down to us and what has been sent down to you. Our God and your God is [the same] One, and we are Muslims before Him'" (Quran, 29:46).
This may not be an occasion to emphasis the differences as much as the commonality of our beliefs, unless someone is really asking you about them.
A starting point for a discussion about Christmas could be the Islamic belief in all Books revealed by Allah and all Prophets sent by Him. In this discussion, special emphasis could be made on Prophet Jesus. Non-Muslims are often surprised to discover that Muslims also believe in this noble Prophet and his great mother Mary (peace be upon her).
Remember that respect does not mean compromise. This article is not asking you to compromise anything. You have freedom of religion given by God to believe in what you believe in. But in a world where conflict is increasing, a Muslim should be a bridge- builder and a peacemaker. It was due to the Muslim practice of Islamic ideals of respect and tolerance that the key of the holiest Christian Shrine in Jerusalem, the church of the Holy Sepulcher, remains entrusted with a Muslim family, as it has been for over 1400 years.
These are the lessons which need to be learned by those extremists who attack Christians during their worship in Nigeria and those extremists who burn Masjids in the USA.
Submitted by Funzo on 13 December, 2006 - 21:50 #33
i wud just lyk 2 say dat my post where based on what the brothers said plus they where ht so i dont want y'all thinkin it was me anyways i hope you all are well and may allah bless you all
ameen
hudafiz fanzo
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Those who danced were thought to be quite insane, by those who couldn't hear the music...
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Submitted by Sirus on 27 December, 2006 - 01:03 #43
Since you changed your username... all is allowed.
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"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
My xmas dilemna 2day was weather or not I should throw my xmas dinner (which the dinner ladies had took so much care and pride in making) - in the bin....the potatoes were hard, the vegetables were extra mushy, and the the Turkey (despite their promise) was not halaal!
Submitted by Noor on 17 December, 2007 - 23:32 #47
if it was not halal the absolutely! well not in the bin but maybe should have offered it to the ladies. did you eat the potatoes and stuff?
Submitted by Ya'qub on 18 December, 2007 - 07:10 #48
i ordered my turkey for my mum, the only ones they had were HUGE so I'll i guess i'll be eating it all week.
if it was not halal the absolutely! well not in the bin but maybe should have offered it to the ladies. did you eat the potatoes and stuff?
No I didnt even put the Turkey on my plate - and yes, I finished some of my dinner, but threw the rest away.
Another xmas dilemna that I faced today was the bottles of bubbly that I recieved from the parents as xmas presents- intrestingly enough it was the same parents who asked me if I was OK with recieving presents in my religion.
Didnt know weather I should chuck them down the sink or return them to the parents - luckily for me, other teachers took it off my hands.
I told another teacher that, no pork and no alcohol is all they need to remember, it should be obvious enough...and she said to me, sometimes the obvious misses people....you'd think that naming a teddy bear Muhammed, in a class where majority of the class are named Muhammed, would obvioulsy not be a big deal. But obvioulsy not.
Submitted by Omrow on 18 December, 2007 - 17:02 #50
Salam
I already got Christmas cards from my neighbours.
Muslims should get into the mood and enjoy Christmas as much as anyone else.
Christmas is a wonderful time.
After all, Jesus Christ is our prophet too.
We love him as much as Christians or Hindus.
I dont know why Hindus love Jesus, but I saw on tv that they do.
MERRY CHRISTMAS to everyone here.
Omrow
Submitted by Ya'qub on 18 December, 2007 - 17:06 #51
"Omrow" wrote:
I dont know why Hindus love Jesus, but I saw on tv that they do.
Vishnu a Merry Christmas?
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Don't just do something! Stand there.
Submitted by Seraphim on 18 December, 2007 - 18:54 #52
"Ya'qub" wrote:
"Omrow" wrote:
I dont know why Hindus love Jesus, but I saw on tv that they do.
Vishnu a Merry Christmas?
lol... not quite.
There are alot of Christians in India (believe it or not).
The staff at my school put on a xmas christmas pantomine for the kids - (I had a part too ) it was a laugh and the kids loved it - apart from one little boy from my class, who was in a strop - refused to get into it and kept on yelling "No - I wont" whenever he was asked to sing a xmas song with the rest of the school, he refused to clap and when the headteacher wished the rest of the school 'Merry Xmas' - he threw a strop, asking her not to 'wish him anything' - (he's also the one who covers his eyes and ears and rolls on the floor when he hears xmas songs) He's such a character, he makes me laugh and makes me angry at the same time.
I'm glad xmas is over in school.
Submitted by Funzo on 19 December, 2007 - 21:28 #54
"Seraphim" wrote:
"Ya'qub" wrote:
"Omrow" wrote:
I dont know why Hindus love Jesus, but I saw on tv that they do.
Vishnu a Merry Christmas?
lol... not quite.
There are alot of Christians in India (believe it or not).
But then they wouldnt be hindus then would they?
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Those who danced were thought to be quite insane, by those who couldn't hear the music...
Submitted by Seraphim on 19 December, 2007 - 23:09 #55
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Submitted by Funzo on 20 December, 2007 - 10:38 #57
"Seraphim" wrote:
Duh
He said hindus loving jesus were did christians come in to this?
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Those who danced were thought to be quite insane, by those who couldn't hear the music...
Submitted by malik on 20 December, 2007 - 14:21 #58
Muslims dont celebrate Kaafir festivals because they dont celebrate our holy days.
Isa (pbuh) is a Prophet of Allah but Kaafirs have abused his teachings and perverted the Islam he taught to suit their own evil selfish greedy desires. Teaching of Isa (as) are now only to be found in Allah's Book holy Quran.
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Ayatollah rightly named America as "Great Satan". www.presstv.ir
Muslims dont celebrate Kaafir festivals because they dont celebrate our holy days.
Wrong.
It is not about being petty. We don't celebrate holidays from other religions as we are not members of that religion and our beliefs defer.
Other religious days such as the first day of Ashura are common with other religions. (Judaism)
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"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Submitted by Funzo on 21 December, 2007 - 23:39 #60
If we did celebrate it then we would except the fact that hazrat isa(as) was born on that date which we know to our knowledge he wasnt, okay.
—
Those who danced were thought to be quite insane, by those who couldn't hear the music...
You're welcome peacegirl! Actually the online guides weren't seeing far enough ahead so while I was shopping for birthday and Chanuka presents today I flicked through a TV magazine just for you.
[size=10]The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.[/size]
[size=9]Bertrand Russell (1872 - 1970)[/size]
CHRISTMAS
Treating Christmas with Respect
by Abdul Malik Mujahid
Christmas is an annual Christian religious holiday commemorating the birth of Prophet Jesus, peace be upon him. For many Muslims who even do not celebrate the birthday of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, it becomes an issue of what stand they should take.
There have been a number of legitimate criticisms of the holiday from Muslims and non-Muslims based on theological and cultural considerations. However, this cannot be used to disregard the holiday as merely an exercise in ancient pagan practices, for instance, or excessive consumerism. Muslims have to remember that for practicing Christians, Christmas really is about Jesus.
Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, was so accommodating of Christians that according to the two earliest Islamic historians, Ibn e Saad and Ibn Hisham, the Prophet even allowed a delegation of 60 Byzantine Christians from Najran in Yemen to worship in his own mosque in Madinah. Lead by their bishop (Usquf), they had come to discuss a number of issues with him. When time of their prayer came, they asked the Prophet's permission to perform this in the mosque. He answered, "conduct your service here in the mosque. It is a place consecrated to God."
God expects us to stay away from mocking the religious beliefs of others, no matter how much we disagree with them. He says in the Quran: "And insult not those whom they (disbelievers) worship besides God, lest they insult God wrongfully without knowledge. Thus We have made fair-seeming to each people its own doings; then to their Lord is their return and He shall then inform them of all that they used to do" (Quran, 6:108).
We also have to remember that even if for many nominal Christians, the celebration is not really about participating in religious traditions, Christmas is a time for families to get together. In a number of cases it is the only time of year families get together, either because family members are scattered in different parts of the country or the world, because of communication and relationship problems, or because in America today, the family unit is becoming weaker and weaker.
Christmas is a great time to relate to our neighbors. We should not forget though, that "relating" does not mean "preaching". Dawa cannot be made in a rude manner. Allah says in the Quran: "Invite (all) to the Way of your Lord with wisdom and beautiful advice, and reason with them by ways that are the best and most gracious: because your Lord knows best, (those) who have strayed from His Path, and those who receive guidance " (Quran, 16:125).
In particular, when dealing with Jews and Christians, Allah says: "Do not argue with the People of the Book unless it is in the politest manner, except for those of them who do wrong. Say: 'We believe in what has been sent down to us and what has been sent down to you. Our God and your God is [the same] One, and we are Muslims before Him'" (Quran, 29:46).
This may not be an occasion to emphasis the differences as much as the commonality of our beliefs, unless someone is really asking you about them.
A starting point for a discussion about Christmas could be the Islamic belief in all Books revealed by Allah and all Prophets sent by Him. In this discussion, special emphasis could be made on Prophet Jesus. Non-Muslims are often surprised to discover that Muslims also believe in this noble Prophet and his great mother Mary (peace be upon her).
Remember that respect does not mean compromise. This article is not asking you to compromise anything. You have freedom of religion given by God to believe in what you believe in. But in a world where conflict is increasing, a Muslim should be a bridge- builder and a peacemaker. It was due to the Muslim practice of Islamic ideals of respect and tolerance that the key of the holiest Christian Shrine in Jerusalem, the church of the Holy Sepulcher, remains entrusted with a Muslim family, as it has been for over 1400 years.
These are the lessons which need to be learned by those extremists who attack Christians during their worship in Nigeria and those extremists who burn Masjids in the USA.
http://www.soundvision.com/info/christmas/ctreat.asp
i wud just lyk 2 say dat my post where based on what the brothers said plus they where ht so i dont want y'all thinkin it was me anyways i hope you all are well and may allah bless you all
ameen
hudafiz fanzo
Those who danced were thought to be quite insane, by those who couldn't hear the music...
I must admit I do like Christmas. It is indeed a time to be jolly.
I truly wish every Christian a merry Christmas, Muslim Eid Mubarak, every Hajji a successful Hajj, every Jew a great Hanukkah.
He who sacrifices his conscience to ambition, burns a picture to obtain the ashes!
Very good article Yashmaki
Happy ChristmaEid everyone & happy holidays to others
And i'll see you in the New Year
Back in BLACK
MERRY XMAS
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
Merry xmas to all those celebrating and a very happy new year!
I gave xmas cards to my workmates, they were so happy so I think it was well worth it. It's a nice gesture.
Back in BLACK
i forgot to add for yesterday.....Happy Qaid-e-Azam day! dec 25th - the birthday of the founder of pakistan
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
Happy Boxing Day.
Happy days!
Sunday Monday
happy days!
...
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
mondasys tuesdays wendesdays.........thursdays fridays saturdays, happy days!
it hardly felt like xmas around herE!!
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
HEY NOBODY SINGS MY SONGS EXCEPT ME!
Those who danced were thought to be quite insane, by those who couldn't hear the music...
Since you changed your username... all is allowed.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
My xmas dilemna 2day was weather or not I should throw my xmas dinner (which the dinner ladies had took so much care and pride in making) - in the bin....the potatoes were hard, the vegetables were extra mushy, and the the Turkey (despite their promise) was not halaal!
if it was not halal the absolutely! well not in the bin but maybe should have offered it to the ladies. did you eat the potatoes and stuff?
i ordered my turkey for my mum, the only ones they had were HUGE so I'll i guess i'll be eating it all week.
Don't just do something! Stand there.
No I didnt even put the Turkey on my plate - and yes, I finished some of my dinner, but threw the rest away.
Another xmas dilemna that I faced today was the bottles of bubbly that I recieved from the parents as xmas presents- intrestingly enough it was the same parents who asked me if I was OK with recieving presents in my religion.
Didnt know weather I should chuck them down the sink or return them to the parents - luckily for me, other teachers took it off my hands.
I told another teacher that, no pork and no alcohol is all they need to remember, it should be obvious enough...and she said to me, sometimes the obvious misses people....you'd think that naming a teddy bear Muhammed, in a class where majority of the class are named Muhammed, would obvioulsy not be a big deal. But obvioulsy not.
Salam
I already got Christmas cards from my neighbours.
Muslims should get into the mood and enjoy Christmas as much as anyone else.
Christmas is a wonderful time.
After all, Jesus Christ is our prophet too.
We love him as much as Christians or Hindus.
I dont know why Hindus love Jesus, but I saw on tv that they do.
MERRY CHRISTMAS to everyone here.
Omrow
Vishnu a Merry Christmas?
Don't just do something! Stand there.
lol... not quite.
There are alot of Christians in India (believe it or not).
Back in BLACK
The staff at my school put on a xmas christmas pantomine for the kids - (I had a part too
) it was a laugh and the kids loved it - apart from one little boy from my class, who was in a strop - refused to get into it and kept on yelling "No - I wont" whenever he was asked to sing a xmas song with the rest of the school, he refused to clap and when the headteacher wished the rest of the school 'Merry Xmas' - he threw a strop, asking her not to 'wish him anything' - (he's also the one who covers his eyes and ears and rolls on the floor when he hears xmas songs) He's such a character, he makes me laugh and makes me angry at the same time.
I'm glad xmas is over in school.
But then they wouldnt be hindus then would they?
Those who danced were thought to be quite insane, by those who couldn't hear the music...
Duh
Back in BLACK
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
He said hindus loving jesus were did christians come in to this?
Those who danced were thought to be quite insane, by those who couldn't hear the music...
Muslims dont celebrate Kaafir festivals because they dont celebrate our holy days.
Isa (pbuh) is a Prophet of Allah but Kaafirs have abused his teachings and perverted the Islam he taught to suit their own evil selfish greedy desires. Teaching of Isa (as) are now only to be found in Allah's Book holy Quran.
Ayatollah rightly named America as "Great Satan".
www.presstv.ir
Wrong.
It is not about being petty. We don't celebrate holidays from other religions as we are not members of that religion and our beliefs defer.
Other religious days such as the first day of Ashura are common with other religions. (Judaism)
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
If we did celebrate it then we would except the fact that hazrat isa(as) was born on that date which we know to our knowledge he wasnt, okay.
Those who danced were thought to be quite insane, by those who couldn't hear the music...
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