I've looked everywhere for the speech but I can't seem to find it. I heard on the radio yester that the Catholic church is asking British Muslims to stand with them against the release of the Davinci Code film. Since both faiths claim to love and honour Jesus (as) isn't it right that we defend Jesus (as) when it is suggested that he married Mary Magdalene.
This was discussed on the Asian network yester, and there were mixed views. But a lot of the muslim callers said yes we should stand with the Christians because they stood with us to demonstrate against the war in Iraq. But more importantly because if we claim to love all the prophets in our religion we should be willing to defend each and everyone of them equally. Jesus (as) is a prophet to us. Yes this book/film maybe fictitious but so was Salman Rushdie's book which ridiculed Prophet Muhammad (saw).
Another caller suggested too often muslims like to sit in their comfy zones at home and do nothing. As long as something doesn't effect them directly they're not concerned.
What are your views should we support the Catholics. What difference is there between this campaign and the blasphemous cartoons depicting prophet Muhammad (saw)?
Do you think these Christians are a bunch of religious fanatics making a fuss over nothing, just like the Muslims did over the cartoon issue?
Here's one response:
http://www.judeoscope.ca/breve.php3?id_breve=1470
I hear the film's not very good anyway.
So I'll back the Catholics by not watching it.
well its prophesised that Christians will unite with Muslims,.. The second coming of Isa a.s is around the corner. With Huge number of Christians already reverting to Islam just shows how the prophecy is starting to become reality.
I think we should show support to the Catholics. If the contents of the film is blasthemous and is insulting to our prophet, we shouldn't have to protest under the Banner of christianity, rather we should protest our feelings under Islam.
But I think its good News,
[b][i]Round and round the Ka'bah,
Like a good Sahabah,
One step, Two step,
All the way to jannah[/i][/b]
How would we show our support for them?
I have not read the book, nor have I an intention to watch the film. Is that the right way to 'show support'?
Or is it better to read the book, watch the film, and give it a proper critique?
WHat is the actual subject about? Is it about the Prophet Isa (as), or is it about the church?
Granted we should not support, condone or accept in any way the insulting of the Prophet Isa (as), but how far should we go to support the actual catholic church?
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
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I don't think it's worth our time reading the book and I certainly won't be watching the film either. But, I was asked by a Christian what our perspective is on this book. I don't know anything about it, but apparently it's got something to do with the idea that Jesus (a.s.) married Mary Magdalane (one of his follwers) and a side issue is that God is really a Goddess and the early Church repressed this fact.
Anyway, the point I'm making is that there are lots of review/critiques out there. We should understand firstly the Islamic perspective on this, then educate ourselves on the issues - that is, in my opinion, the best way we can support the Christians.
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I've not read it either but I can understand the concerns of the Church.
I heard some reviews about it. Apparently it's not well written, but it's a page turning best seller. No doubt it'll bring in the big bucks, but I doubt we'll hear from this author again. One hit wonder perhaps.
Oh we will hear from him again.
His next book is about the Freemasons.
Apparently the knights Templar are 'bound to be' in the story... I was not aware of any link (mainly because I have not looked for any.), but this show on BBC4 about Dan Brown's book (where the Opus dei were defending themselves...) said we all know how the knights templar are always involved...
Anyone else keep thinking Derren Brown instead of Dan brown?
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
yeah I got confused. I like Derren Brown's style. I remember him going to the races and making the cashier hand him over money, even though the horse he bet on had lost. Some how he made her believe that he bet on a winning horse. But he's a different story i'm going off topic.
I don't think the doctrinal issues are really what concern the Church, rather, the virulently anti-Catholic position of Dan Brown captures the Holy See's attention. The guy had that whole forward warning us that these are real groups we should be aware of etc, then went on and on about opus dei and other reclusive church affliated organizations. It really casted them in a sinister light. I'm not into Opus Dei... not my cup of tea, but making them out to be sinister church hit men then warning his readership about these dangerous people is uncalled for.
As for the doctrinal issues, I've always enjoyed textual criticism so long as it's got weight behind it and isn't another spurious unfounded position (and there is no shortage of those). Brown's book borrows and embellishes facts from Baigent Leigh and Plantard which turned out to be largely a hoax anyway.
On a side note I think probably one of the biggest mistakes the Christian world made in the modern age was to open textual criticism to parties outside the fold of the church heirarchy and scholarship. With the advent of the internet it's caused a great deal of confusing as interested parties pass on bizarre theories and conjectures based on selective attention to history and sketchy paleography.
i watched the film...and i kind of liked it :?
even tho i dont believe the theory, its an interesting one
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
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well.... i can promise that i wont go and see it again if that helps.
it was kinda dull....
disappointed.... in my day if we werent satisfied we'd demand our shilling back.
Back in BLACK
Muslims were offended by the Danish cartoons but the rest of the world seemed confused by all the fuss.
Here another faith group has been offended but many Muslims will not understand why Catholics feel slighted.
I think those who made a big song and dance about the blasphemous cartoons should support the Catholics on this one as a matter of principle. Especially as the Catholic Church, under the late Pope John Paul, has gone a long way to establishing friendly relations with the Muslim world.
[i]It is my ardent hope that Muslim and Christian religious leaders and teachers will present our two great religious communities as communities in respectful dialogue, never more as communities in conflict. It is crucial for the young to be taught the ways of respect and understanding, so that they will not be led to misuse religion itself to promote or justify hatred and violence. Violence destroys the image of the Creator in his creatures, and should never be considered as the fruit of religious conviction. Better mutual understanding will surely lead, at the practical level, to a new way of presenting our two religions not in opposition, as has happened too often in the past, but in partnership for the good of the human family.
As members of the one human family and as believers, we have obligations to the common good, to justice and to solidarity.
May the hearts of Christians and Muslims turn to one another with feelings of brotherhood and friendship, so that the Almighty may bless us with the peace which heaven alone can give. To the One, Merciful God be praise and glory for ever. Amen[/i]
[b]Pope John Paul II - Address at Omayyad Mosque of Damascus - 6 May 2001[/b]
http://www.catholic-forum.com/saintS/pope0264qr.htm
I'm not sure I agree with the Church's position on Islam.
The Church has worked very hard over the last several decades to promote goodwill between Muslims and Catholics; by focusing on our similarities real or imagined. However it seems as though the Church has gone too far on many occasions, and drastically misunderstands the profound differences between Catholics and Muslims - Jesus being one of them. Dialogue is important but for it to be honest the Church needs to address differences as well as similarities and not disillusion itself with thoughts of unity where it can not exist.
It also seems mildly dishonest that the Church would ask Muslims to condemn the movie on account of Jesus when by all accounts the Church is more concerned with the blatently anti-[i]Catholic[/i] tone of the movie; rather than spurious theories about Jesus Christ.
I'm not convinced this new era of goodwill is about the Church's genuine doctrinal position; it seems like there is an air of politics about it.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.