[size=18]Abu Hamza jailed for seven years [/size]
[b]Controversial Muslim cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri has been jailed for seven years after he was found guilty of inciting murder and race hate. [/b]
Abu Hamza, 47, who preached at Finsbury Park Mosque, London, was found guilty of 11 of the 15 charges he faced.
He was sentenced to seven years to run concurrently for eight counts and 21 months for the others. He has already been in jail since May 2004.
US authorities are seeking the cleric's extradition for terror-related matters.
That's intriguing
not to sure about this one.
Cops knew about this for ages.
They should have acted sooner.
It would have removed a significant cog for anyone wanting to commit terror in the UK.
so he aint gettin the death sentence?
or do the US still want him?
will he able to take the hook into prison with him? coz they dont even allow shoe laces incase someone uses it as a weapon!
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
salaam
best news ive heard in ages.... now with bakri gone, hamza locke dup...all we need now is BNP leader locked up then life will be alot better for Muslims here...
Abu Hamza embarrased Muaslims every time he opened his gob...
im sorry but he was a disgrace....good riddance...
and for anyone who's not sure about this one or sympathises with him.... then... what can i say.... and dont argue but he's a muslim, he's a scholar, but its just what the media says....
he is extremists, preaches hatred, incites hatred, has polluted concept of jihad, brainwashes muslim youth, shows himself up along with Islam, makes Islam seem like a very backward, intolerant, rigid, violent, anti-west, hostile religion.............
im glad hes gone, now the scholars in the UK have to get up and lead....
that about scholars getting up and leading isnt gonna happen, unfortunately
we as the youth needa get up and be heard and hopefully lead!
by the way......
and Nick Griffin was acquitted :?
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
Griffin will be re-tried.
Griffin's gonna be re-trialled on a few more charges...but cant see him getting locked up........why ever not i cant understand!!! he is openly racist, islamophobic- why is he not charged for inciting religious and racist hatred???
Well if we say Abu hamza and Bakri are extremist and dont represent us....then 'moderate' ( hate this word) Muslims who follow the middle path, who can speak english should come forward...theres plenty out there....
Only if we had Shaykh Hamza Yusuf here in UK....
If only...
America has a number of scholors who look like they can lead a community, Shaykh Hamza Yusus along with Shaykh Zahid Shakir. There's also Muhammad AlShareef.
What UK needs is a scholor, who is a good public speaker to get up and take the lead. Unfortunatly everytime that happens a lot of sectarianism kicks in.
Reason why i beleive Shaykh Hamza is so hugh in USA and in the world is becuz they say time and time again they follow traditional islam and do not follow a sect.
If a young scholor can do this in the UK, he can take all the energy (anger) in the british muslims and channel it positively and finally bring communities together.
Ive seen various programs n documentaries and heard many speeches from speakers in America, who have brought communities together, youth and elder generation, and they work together for positive aims.
But when i look around, in Manchester (closest city) I see one mosque not wanting anything to do with another, and mosque committees having more of a say then the actual community.
I think this particular attitude comes from the IndoPak region, and peoiple of that region. South east asians brought up here for the most part hav a different attitude then do the commitees of mosques.
To move forward we need to somehow get onto mosque committees, and make sure they dunt see us coming, until BOOM, its too late, that when i believe we can make a difference.
_____________- -SupeRazor- -_______________
Some ppl make their goals the stars.
They may live n die n never reach the stars,
but in the darkness of the night, those stars will guide them to their destination.
Becuz they made them in their eyesight
yup amongst the indo-pak people is where the whole sect thing is a major issue
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
Exactly, n unfortunatly some of it is spreading into the youth like a disease, we have examples on the forum ahem.Med.ahem.
This needs to be adressed and the committees needa b fixed up big time.
Problem is, most committes exsists of money men, without em we cnt run.
So, we need to figure a way of making them less influencial in the desicion making.
_____________- -SupeRazor- -_______________
Some ppl make their goals the stars.
They may live n die n never reach the stars,
but in the darkness of the night, those stars will guide them to their destination.
Becuz they made them in their eyesight
I like Hamza Yusuf
dont we all
me, razor, ed n the boys gonna be there
REPPIN THE REVIVAL when he comes manchesta!!
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
Aye indeed, inshallah.
Shaykh Hamza is well cool.
_____________- -SupeRazor- -_______________
Some ppl make their goals the stars.
They may live n die n never reach the stars,
but in the darkness of the night, those stars will guide them to their destination.
Becuz they made them in their eyesight
Salam
Hooker is no more.
I don't think they should let him out in two years.
Seven years should mean seven years.
Omrow
dunt worry, he's a muslim, he aint goin nowher but camp x-ray
_____________- -SupeRazor- -_______________
Some ppl make their goals the stars.
They may live n die n never reach the stars,
but in the darkness of the night, those stars will guide them to their destination.
Becuz they made them in their eyesight
God willing.
i wouldnt wish camp x ray on my enemies
except maybe one or two
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
I wonder why BBC decided [url=http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41307000/jpg/_41307156_hamza203afp... put this[/url] on their front page....
I heard somewhere that Abu Hamza lost his hand and eye when a landmine exploded while he was in Afghanistan and trying to make a field safe for the locals. If this story is true, i can't possibly think bad of him.
Though I didn't agree with alot of what he said, i can't help think that these charges were basically made more worse by the publicity machine, Come on there was no chance he was going to get a fair trial. Not after the way he been vilified over the last couple of years.
Yes he wasn't the best PR machine for the muslims of the UK. But because i never heard him speak life or met him personally, I wouldn't want to judge him. Plus these people don't simply go away, the media need them to sell paper afterall, look at the news in the last couple of days Bakri been getting alot of airtime. :roll:
"A true Muslim is thankful to Allah in prosperity, and resigned to His will in adversity."
[url=http//www.guidancemedia.com/videostream.php?id=Burda.mov]Quran[/url]
I heard that although he claims to have lost both his hands and one eye whilst in afghanistan apparently he lost it whilst he was making a bomb and it exploded prematurely. I think i heard it on BBC yesterday, not sure :?
Seriously @ times one just cannot trust the media....hardly
bunch of jokers...
Yuit: some good points.
I think he was inciting Muslims in the UK and beyond to wage jihad for many years, and that very few young British Muslims are totally untouched by his teachings. Not having met him you might not want to judge him but it seems a bland defense given "if this story is true, i can't possibly think bad of him".
[size=9]Whatever you do, know that I will always love you. Or else.[/size]
Unfortunately 100 I had first hand experience of the media yesterday, and just put it this way, they won't be getting my trust very quickly again. I hear them say all day on Monday that Omar seem a really nice bloke, tell us something about him, i remain quiet, after his statement the same person came up to me and said that Omar was a brillant bloke, only to hear the same person on ITV news say that the bloke apologies was fake, because now he be exposed as a drug dealer. It all about finding a story that sells. I also had newspaper asking question trying to lead me to say something against certain people, they scum IMO and i won't be using them to source my opinion of people. Never really trusted them before, but yeah this week, taught me a important lesson. Should i read the newspaper and form a opinion on someone i known for 18 years or so, or should i judge him on my interaction with him.
"A true Muslim is thankful to Allah in prosperity, and resigned to His will in adversity."
[url=http//www.guidancemedia.com/videostream.php?id=Burda.mov]Quran[/url]
yup ive experienced it too......Yuit is right. The media do it to sell
however.....im not defending Abu Hamza........i reckon a lot of the findings (guns, weapons etc) could potentially be planted
but waging war against the infidels etc......nah, i dont mind him being locked up - he drove many moderate muslims away, and since the mosque has re-opened they have come back
the hook he says is from an explosion in Afghanistan, but its one of them things we'll never know.
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
yeh, in agreement with yuit on this one.
I don't agree with, lets say the methods and contents (most of which have been quoted out of context on the media..) of Abu Hamzas preaching.
Yuits points about the media's campaign to draw a cartoon figure of a baddy has dictated the way the trial went.. are a good observation in my opinion.
SKY news yesterday asked this spokes person of an Islamic org yesterday that the Muslim community should have done more to remove such figures.
The Muslim guy replied there have been many Islamic organisations condemning his methods, and the vast majority of Muslims in the UK do not follow him and distant themselves from him and his group. Muslims have also apparantly protested against Abu Hamza.
But where was the media coverage for that? That don't sell does it.. All the papers and news channels did was brand him with Big ugly images associating him with Islam.
So what are Muslims meant to do?
Following the recent events, invasions of Muslim countries with talk of invasion of another, Media taking the **** with images, a white racist walking away from a similar trial, and now this..
I find it hard to see a level playing field for us when it comes to these laws of freedom of speech and incitement of hatred and violence.
It has come to a stage where the government here in the UK need to reassure the Muslims that we are equal. How they do it I do not know. Maybe make their laws more clear and not discriminate against a particular faith or culture.
Muslim communities need to do more..? they need to do this? they need to be doing that?
I'm fed of of hearing it.. It's in the governments hand now, they gotta sort out their policies. They gotta create equality, they gotta define a fine line in media of freedom of speech and inciting Hatred.
[b][i]Round and round the Ka'bah,
Like a good Sahabah,
One step, Two step,
All the way to jannah[/i][/b]
I dunno about this whole law... we've tried laws over here about "inciting violence" and "hate speech" but they never work out because the terms are too broad and subject to interpretation.
And as for Abu Hamza - the guy is a complete pig, but all he did as far as i've heard is speak.
It just seems like the law is too open to abusive interpretation.
If they were arresting him on other charges - like actually planning attacks on people or something like that it's another matter entirely.
truth is, it aint equal
agreed
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
I know, when your mate's a crack dealer and gets on TV dressed as a suicide bomber life can suck. It's a shame they didn't mention he's a brilliant bloke.
I doubt it. He runs a militant organisation which supported and collected for global jihad and was prosecuted for incitement, which seems about right. You are equal and you know. The government doesn't owe you a thing.[size=9]Whatever you do, know that I will always love you. Or else.[/size]
Right but that's a crime regardless of this bizarre "inciting violence" law. That's engaging in terrorism.
That's what I think they should be arresting him for - however if they are arresting him because he makes militant speeches then as disgusted as I am I think it's a dangerous move against civil liberties.
I think they really captured it in the movie The American President:
[i]"You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours."[/i]
Not to mention taking the Al Capone route and charging them with lesser crimes is a miscarriage of justice. Abu Hamza is a terrorist, who engaged in terrorist activities with his son in Yemen - he should be charged with those crimes; not for misusing his right to speak freely.
Pages