Salaam.
Following the Syria thread:
[size=18]Iran 'behind attacks on British'[/size]Britain has accused Iran of responsibility for explosions which have caused the deaths of all eight UK soldiers killed in Iraq this year.
A senior British official, briefing correspondents in London, blamed Iranian Revolutionary Guards.
He said they provided the technology to a Shia group in southern Iraq. The Iranians had denied this, he added.
While UK officials have hinted at an Iranian link before, this is the first specific allegation to be made.
They may feel there is little to lose right now by making such accusations, given that diplomatic relations are already low following the breakdown of talks over Iran's nuclear programme, says the BBC website's world affairs correspondent, Paul Reynolds. ...
[url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4312516.stm]BBC News[/url]
Is this the first step in warming up the population to a war?
'They killed our troops. We must retaliate.'
Or is Iran playing a dirty game, trying to muddy the situation in Iraq so much that the 'coalition of invaders' does not have the time to invade?
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Britain has since apologised to iran for blaming it deaths of all brit soilders.
iran was innocent. britain got it wrong.
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/article336567.ece
Ayatollah rightly named America as "Great Satan".
www.presstv.ir
May aswell add the quote from the link:
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Iran is a shia country. Iran looks America in the eye. we fear only Allah. we dont hate American people we hate their goverment, they interfered with Iran in 1953, until they say sorry people of iran will not forgive. Suprem Leader told public never to fear America, spit on its face, walk on its flag curse Bush. Supreme Leader said no to Bush when he asked Iran leaders to take part in war on terror. Iran hates Osama and condemned him for 9-11 attacks. but Iran will not help America until Bush says sorry to the Ayatullah Khamenei.
Ayatollah rightly named America as "Great Satan".
www.presstv.ir
Right... and America is a powerful nation. America looks everyone in the eye and fear only God - because as near as we can tell he's the only one powerful enough to destroy us. We don't hate the Iranis we just hate their government. We look to the 70s hostage crisis and will not forgive. Our President reminds us that while the Iranis are good people that are interested in freedom from an oppressive regime - and therefore we should never be disrespectful of them, their leaders must be dealt with harshly. There will not be an end to the cold relations until Iran abandons this illegal and nuclear program which we have made clear is understood is an act of aggression against us, apologizes for the hostage crisis, and makes dramatic reforms both in its policy toward "the Great Satan" and its own citizens.
So much fuss about such a simple thing. Iran can abandon it's illegal program - and accept the extremely generous offer given it by Europe and the United States - as the President did, in fact, sign on. Or it can face international sanction.
I think it's clear at this point they are interested in a nuclear program. They sit atop a massive oil reserve and have no need for nuclear energy - the infrastructure alone to switch to nuclear power costs in the billions. They are knowingly and willingly breaking one of the most important - if not the most important treaty in international law. They have been offered full economic normalization with Europe, and greater trading rights with the United States and still continue their course. Obviously they are being driven by something.
Iran is pursuing a bifurcated path toward nuclear weapons. We know they bought information from Abdul Qadeer Khan the so called "father" of the Pakistani nuclear program. We know that they failed the IAEA requirements for non proliferation in 2003 and 2004. We have found Highly Enriched Uranium in their facilities and that's not terribly surprising since the IAEA found blueprints to enrichment centerfuges - but seeing as they bought all this information from Khan why should that be surprising? Their second path toward nuclear weapons pursues Plutonium production rather than Uranium Enrichment - largely because their Uranium resources are so limited. They have already admitted to producing Plutonium as far back as 1998. This is confirmed by our knowledge of their heavy water facilities designed for Plutonium seperation.
HEU and Plutonium are not used for power.
So in light of Malik's posted apology it appears that the British government was not warming the population up for war (otherwise they wouldn't have apologized), and Iran was not playing a dirty game... since they didn't actually do anything.
Britain does not hate America, it just sort of a trend to be anti-septic.
Also you gotta love the way Galloway told the dudes in the senate: "While I understand you have a cavelier sense of Justice..."
I have little respect for America for not signing up to the kyoto treaty, I hope[i][color=green][size=18] Greenpeace takes over Canada and invades America...
Canada? mwahhaha![/size][/color][/i]
Gentleness and kindness were never a part of anything except that it made it beautiful, and harshness was never a part of anything except that it made it ugly.
Through cheating, stealing, and lying, one may get required results but finally one becomes
Iranian people are just like American people. They hate each others goverments but love their own goverments. I like Supreme Leader of Iran. I dislike Supreme Leader of America. He is aggresive.
Ayatollah rightly named America as "Great Satan".
www.presstv.ir
correction: they are both agressive.
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lol that pretty well sums it up.
I'm presently being stalked by an iranian. - on a complete side note
[size=16][b] 'Divine mission' driving Iran's new leader[/b][/size]
As Iran rushes towards confrontation with the world over its nuclear programme, the question uppermost in the mind of western leaders is "What is moving its President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to such recklessness?"
Listen carefully to the utterances of Mr Ahmadinejad and there is another dimension, a religious messianism that, some suspect, is giving the Iranian leader a dangerous sense of divine mission.
- In November, the country was startled by a video showing Mr Ahmadinejad telling a cleric that he had felt the hand of God entrancing world leaders as he delivered a speech to the UN General Assembly last September.
- When an aircraft crashed in Teheran last month, killing 108 people, Mr Ahmadinejad promised an investigation. But he also thanked the dead, saying: "What is important is that they have shown the way to martyrdom which we must follow."
- The most remarkable aspect of Mr Ahmadinejad's piety is his devotion to the Hidden Imam, the Messiah-like figure of Shia Islam, and the president's belief that his government must prepare the country for his return.
- One of the first acts of Mr Ahmadinejad's government was to donate about £10 million to the Jamkaran mosque, a popular pilgrimage site where the pious come to drop messages to the Hidden Imam into a holy well. All streams of Islam believe in a divine saviour, known as the Mahdi, who will appear at the End of Days. A common rumour - denied by the government but widely believed - is that Mr Ahmadinejad and his cabinet have signed a "contract" pledging themselves to work for the return of the Mahdi and sent it to Jamkaran.
[url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/01/14/wiran14....
Oh God... I know who this guy is...
An Iranian Bush - an impulsive populist leader that thinks he's guided by God and has absolutely not respect for international order.
Oh this is not good...
You can't have two cowboys in the same sandbox - look what happened to the west.
Atleast we can (almost) predict what will happen.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
A shootout?
...im moving to antarctica.
It's far away, and will be a tropical paradise after the fallout.
For Iran to have any chance whtsoever, it would need to take out a hell alot of sattelites.
I think it has missiles that can almost reach America. I doubt it has a strong navy.
So a realistic war would be Iran Vs Iraq round 2
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
I highly doubt they would use a missile attack, we would kamakaze their missiles if necessary.
They have intimate ties to terrorist organizations though, and I have no doubt they wouldn't try to sneak a bomb in through a suicide bomber.
I suspect the US would respond quickly and totally.
Hezbollah are focussed on only one thing.
They are not global, and condemn alqaeda style attacks.
I find that as an empty fear. It will not happen.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
lol well it's not just Hezbollah.
You don't build nuclear weapons you cannot deliver - the regime does resort to terrorism - hell they invented "martyrdom" and if you have nuclear weapons you obviously accept that civilians will die. It's hardly far fetched.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
I find it strange that everyone is so scared about the Iranian prime minister's fiery rhetoric. Nobody listened to what the last prime minister said because it was assumed that he had no real power. Why would the situation change?
Its as part of an international game to up the ante.
Does he have real power? who knows.
His public speech is pretty naive though. He speaks from the gut instead from the head. He gives plenty of soundbites to those who want them.
Can he carry out what he says? who knows.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Good point Salaf - I think the problem here is that this PM has a strong populist appeal whereas the last certainly didn't flex his political potential as much (perhaps he didn't even have it).
What really bothers me is that even if he is powerless the violation of the nonproliferation treaty is still happening - obviously [i]somebody[/i] is driving this.
So is it the military, the supreme council, or the PM?
Or perhaps all three in a concerted effort - [i]a policy[/i].
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4615172.stm
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I wonder if the Iranians will invite Israel to this international conference.
I've not come across anyone try to refute what Ahamdinejad says about the Holocaust.
Surely some institution, think-tank or charity should be out there refuting Iranian anti-Holacaust views.
But maybe it suits some peoples interests to let Ahmadinejad say whatever and then use it to vilify him.
:?
You can't vilify a villian, they've already done the work for you.
Why would anyone [i]want[/i] to attend his perverse little conference - the best route is to not dignify the event with an appearance.
David Duke used to have "holocaust talks" all the time, the JDL and ADL never bothered to send representatives - why should they have? They were rigged events - like Ahmadinejad's - to blast out antisemitic garbage.
On his remarks in general - there is nothing to refute. Anybody who can say the holocaust is a myth or "wasn't that bad" in light of the painstaking paperwork the Nazis prepared for their own execution - or the miles of film - pounds of pictures, hours of witness testimony or the actual standing concentration camps; obviously is denying reality to begin with.
It is more appropriate to condemn the comments - and that's precisely what everyone has done... debating the merits only gives him room to wiggle.
Salam
One thing is for sure. This conference is going to put doubts into millions of Muslims across the world.
And the rest of Jew haters will love the event.
When religious scholars from all over the world express their doubts, people begin to ignore scientific evidence.
[url=http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/01/15/iran.holocaust/index.html]Holo... Conference[/url]
Omrow
Apparently OIC will be sponsering this conference.
So the outcome isn't a given.
I bet Iran will invite Nazis and other racists from Europe.
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