Lilly wrote:

You wrote:

You're the knowledgeable one and you have found my knowledge wanting before, so I will leave that task to you.

I am sure you will be able to find out the truth or untruth in my words in short order.

There are ahadith mentioning the kissing of hands, the kissing of feet, the getting the drops of water from wudu, the getting of the hairs of the prophet and even the drinking of the prophet (saw)'s unrine for shifaa.

Now you can go ahead and research this to see if I am telling the truth or not.

why are we doing this again?

because I could not be bothered to find the references. I am sure he can find or reject them if he really is wanting to learn. as a first, I will link to this topic though which contains a very long hadith which Noor provided me the reference for. in the hadith it says:

Urwa then started looking at the Companions of the Prophet. By Allah, whenever Allah's Apostle spat, the spittle would fall in the hand of one of them (i.e. the Prophet's companions) who would rub it on his face and skin; if he ordered them they would carry his orders immediately; if he performed ablution, they would struggle to take the remaining water; and when they spoke to him, they would lower their voices and would not look at his face constantly out of respect.

and that is from Sahih Bukhari.

Just to say that the hadith “Whoever innovates something in this matter of ours [i.e., Islam] that is not a part of it, will have it rejected.” is being misinterpreted in the original post.

It means actions that are counter to the qur'an and sunnah.

There is also the hadith that if someone starts a good actions and others follow his sunnah, then he will be rewarded for their actions.

Now, you need to combine the two to see what the true interpretation is, and the true interpretation is found eg in the taravih prayer by jama'ah that was an innovation started at the time of Hadhrat Umar (ra).

You (the person) hasnt said anything that needs to be proven. He has only questionned and suggested ideas. Therefore, Ahlusunnah, i do not understand what is it you want him to prove?

BUT

You wrote:

There is also the hadith that if someone starts a good actions and others follow his sunnah, then he will be rewarded for their actions.

this might need "proving" though.

@Ahlusunnah,

what you state had nothing to do with anything we were talking about so why bother typing it, was their a purpose for that

you have typed a lot in the past few days, clearing your name of what You is saying, by explaining you intention is NOT going to be useless. It DOES have something to do with the topic, aka your intention. The purpose is for us to understand your intention.

Lilly wrote:

this might need "proving" though.

I created a topic on this, but noone was interested back then.

Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah is grammatically correct. Anyone who says the name "Allah" and nothing else has not ascribed anything to Allah nor spoken of His divine qualities. Those who say the name of Allah constantly and repetatively are not giving a discourse.

Saying that they are giving a discourse is incorrect.

Just wanted out that the following bit was wrong:

ahlussunnahwaljama'ah wrote:

4. It is not permissible for a Muslim to innovate any dhikr to recite regularly or to tell others to do so – such as awraad/wird, ma’thooraat or du’aas. The adhkaar that were reported in the saheeh Sunnah are sufficient for this, otherwise a person is an innovator or one who calls others to bid’ah. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever innovates something in this matter of ours [i.e., Islam] that is not a part of it, will have it rejected.” (Narrated by Al-Bukhaari, 2550; Muslim, 1718). According to a report narrated by Muslim: “Whoever does any action that is not in accordance with this matter of ours (i.e., Islam) will have it rejected.”

Ibn Rajab Al-Hanbali (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

“This hadeeth represents one of the most important principles in Islam. It is like a scale against which the external appearances of deeds are measured, just as the hadeeth “Actions are but by intention” is the scale against which the inner motivations of actions are measured. Just as every deed which is not done for the sake of Allaah will bring no reward for the one who does it, so also every deed which is not in accordance with the way of Allaah and His Messenger will be rejected and thrown back at the one who does it. Anyone who innovates new things in the religion and does things for which Allaah and His Messenger have not granted permission, this is not a part of the religion at all.” (Jaami’ al-‘Uloom wa’l-Hukam, 1/180).

Al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

“This hadeeth is one of the most important basic principles of Islam, and it is one of the most concise and comprehensive sayings of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). It clearly states that innovations and newly invented matters will be rejected. The second report adds another idea, which is that some of those who follow the innovations of others may become stubborn when they are presented with the evidence of the first report which says, “Whoever innovates something…” They may say, “I am not innovating anything”. But he may in this case be presented with the evidence of the second report, which says, “Whoever does any action…” This clearly shows that all innovated actions will be rejected, whether the one who does them innovates them himself or is following someone else who innovated it… This hadeeth is one that should be learned by heart and used to denounce evil actions and be spread as evidence so that all people may use it.” (Sharh Muslim, 12/16).

This needs to be taken into context with otehr hadith, like the one discussed in this topic from Sahih Muslim.