Anonymous1 wrote:

Yep - from simple amoeba from the oceans they developed over billions of years...

The theory isn't bad on the face of it - it doesn't necessarily contradict with faith as one could easily reconcile it if it was proven.

erm how is it not contradicting? :S

anon1 wrote:

Few people would say animals are "perfect" - they are limited and finite which in itself implies imperfection. The same applies to humans - and few could argue disabled people are perfect!

perfect as in the way our bodies work so perfectly, every little chemical reaction, the pumping of the heart, the digestive system, the respiratory system etc. how can something that was made randomly work so well?

anon wrote:

It's the same with those who shallowly try to bring "scientific proofs" from the Quran to proof it is from God - it makes one cringe!

what??

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

Anonymous1 wrote:

Yep - from simple amoeba from the oceans they developed over billions of years...

The theory isn't bad on the face of it - it doesn't necessarily contradict with faith as one could easily reconcile it if it was proven.

erm how is it not contradicting? :S

For example, mo text states that animals were created in a final form and placed on the earth without any evolution process...

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

anon1 wrote:

Few people would say animals are "perfect" - they are limited and finite which in itself implies imperfection. The same applies to humans - and few could argue disabled people are perfect!

perfect as in the way our bodies work so perfectly, every little chemical reaction, the pumping of the heart, the digestive system, the respiratory system etc. how can something that was made randomly work so well?

As I said earlier, are disabled people perfect?
What about those who are short sighted, have hearing problems...? etc
I've yet to see any text stating we are perfect. Do you know any?

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

anon wrote:

It's the same with those who shallowly try to bring "scientific proofs" from the Quran to proof it is from God - it makes one cringe!

what??

To prove Quran is from God, one does not use scientific proofs - the miracle of quran is not the "alleged" scientific statements...

Anonymous1 wrote:

It's the same with those who shallowly try to bring "scientific proofs" from the Quran to proof it is from God - it makes one cringe!

True

But it 'works' with some people. It can pull them towards the faith.

If it's based on spurious links etc, is it of value in you opinion (i.e. if it brings people to Islam)?

Anonymous1 wrote:

For example, mo text states that animals were created in a final form and placed on the earth without any evolution process...

what about Adam as?

anon1 wrote:

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

anon1 wrote:

Few people would say animals are "perfect" - they are limited and finite which in itself implies imperfection. The same applies to humans - and few could argue disabled people are perfect!

perfect as in the way our bodies work so perfectly, every little chemical reaction, the pumping of the heart, the digestive system, the respiratory system etc. how can something that was made randomly work so well?

As I said earlier, are disabled people perfect?
What about those who are short sighted, have hearing problems...? etc
I've yet to see any text stating we are perfect. Do you know any?

am i not understanding ur point, or are u not understanding mine? :/

anon1 wrote:

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

anon wrote:

It's the same with those who shallowly try to bring "scientific proofs" from the Quran to proof it is from God - it makes one cringe!

what??

To prove Quran is from God, one does not use scientific proofs - the miracle of quran is not the "alleged" scientific statements...

oh are you talking about how the Qur'an isn't supposed to be a book of scientific knowledge?

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

Anonymous1 wrote:

For example, mo text states that animals were created in a final form and placed on the earth without any evolution process...

what about Adam as?

That would be more difficult to reconcile - either one would need to resort to metaphoric reasoning or inserting him at the point where humans develop.

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

oh are you talking about how the Qur'an isn't supposed to be a book of scientific knowledge?

That's one valid point.
The other one is that where Allah mentions aspects of the universe, it is the visible aspects that the people at the time of the Prophet(saw) could understand in order to deduce Allah exists by looking at his signs. It was not proof that Quran is from God. That had a separate miracle to prove it.

She wasn't asking you how easy it was. She was asking how you actually do reconcile them.

Evolution and humans/prophet Adam (as).

It is an interesting question and I would also like to see your view.

I've stated it above... first part of the answer.

Anonymous1 wrote:

I've stated it above... first part of the answer.

where? what? :S

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

Anonymous1 wrote:

I've stated it above... first part of the answer.

where? what? :S

//That would be more difficult to reconcile - either one would need to resort to metaphoric reasoning or inserting him at the point where humans develop.//

can u say that any simpler?

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

can u say that any simpler?

Not really - as the process of reconciliation would be complicated... any simple explanation will raise more questions than answers... but if you had to think about it and had to do it, I'm sure you'd come up with something similar...

errr ok...