I reckon its not nice to upset grieving families. they have already suffered loss of loved one. To anger them on top of this is sure to make them grieve even more. Islam tells us to respect people especially on their sad days.
Choudary may have legitimate issues about Britain taking part in Afghanistan and Iraq wars. Most of the public agrees that both these wars are unjust. But for Choudary and his group to protest in front of funerals is wrong. I would not hold such a march in Wootton Bassett.

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@ tom - you wanted someone to negotiate with. Here, you can have these.

Atleast they are carrying out a peaceful demo...

who do they represent you? who elected them to represent who? anyway a good number will be probably enjoying the pleasures of her majesty's prisons after the Luton disgrace

the march will be banned and quite right too but as fox hunting is banned the hounds would have enjoyed it

you guys really are pushing your luck

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you guys really are pushing your luck

If you're going to group me with them (or any other ''Muslim' extremists') then how would you feel about me grouping you with any beer-swilling, skin-headed hooligan who smashes up cafe furniture nearby to any football ground at which England are playing during the World Cup or European Championship? Or any priest charged of pedophilia?

You might say that you don't care what I think of you. And I don't blame you! But I'm training to be a primary teacher, and what if I were to think of or treat all the families of any white kids in my classes like that???

But I try my best not to treat anyone differently from each other. Muslims believe that all human life is equal in value to God. Something that is not expressed in what is known as the 'Old Testament' to Christians.

Like it or lump it, the Muslim population of Britain is growing faster than almost any other religion. Christianity is decades and decades into a slump. (I'm not gloating or saying that "this is how it is written" and I'm certainly not in favour of a 'Muslim' conspiracy to take over the World. I'm just stating the facts.)

I try my utmost not to label or stereotype people based on their skin colour, culture, beliefs, creed or favourite football team. I urge you to start doing the same, and encouraging your friends and family to follow you in this, for the sake of Britain's future society.

In return I promise to do the same with my friends and family (Muslim or not), as well as trying to promote tolerance and understanding with any children I may teach in the future.

Who knows, I might be teaching one of your children someday.

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they represent themselves. you wanted someone to negotiate with, so negotiate.

self appointed loudmouths they can negotaite with the Prison Governor

an elective representative is not always ... representative. how would muslims know about that? there is no structure in islam snd no democracy

On this matter of war that those guys are protesting about however, I would think that their views are confirmed by a vast majority of britons who would not have gone to war if they had any real choice, but were forced into it by lies, deception and "elected representatives".
the vast majority probably want to give them a good kicking you should be thankful that the police protect you

If you can negotiate and convince them to do whatever, I am sure many other muslims who hold a far more pragmatic view of the world (and many non muslims too) would be catered for already.

nobody cares much what you chaps think after 9/11/ 7/7/shoe bombers condom bombers and \luton demos and so on most of us simply want the threat contained by the police and security service

of course the law needs strengthening in some matters just as we have always done in wartime enjoy your jihad tom

@Tom, you seem to be convinced that 'my people' are waging a war on 'your ethnic population'.

We hear Muslim folk who call to intolerance and hate against the West.

We hear about Muslim individuals who have blown innocent people up.

We hear about more Muslim individuals who have tried to blow more people up but have - thank God - failed.

Is this the war? Is there more to it? Do you think the above mentioned terrorists/hate-mongers represent anything more than a minority among Muslims?

tom wrote:

...nobody cares much what you chaps think...

but you do.

Dawud wrote:

@Tom, you seem to be convinced that 'my people' are waging a war on 'your ethnic population'.

We hear Muslim folk who call to intolerance and hate against the West.

We hear about Muslim individuals who have blown innocent people up.

We hear about more Muslim individuals who have tried to blow more people up but have - thank God - failed.

Is this the war? Is there more to it? That is quite enough thank you Do you think the above mentioned terrorists/hate-mongers represent anything more than a minority among Muslims? Unfortunately i do, universal islam a caliphate with conversion or death and dhimmitude if you are lucky are innate in sunni islam. Since you do not accept democracy the only way to achieve these objectives is by violence. If not all muslims understand that then you can pretend that the violent ones are a minority whereas Islam as a whole is a threat there are only active terrorists and those who give tacit support islam is incompatible with western values enjoy your jihad i hope you will not mind terribly if we defend ourselves

no problem we will play last man-standing. its you chaps who need a legitimate \(i.e. elected) spokesman else how will your jihad ever end?

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@ tom - I am not willing to decipher that post. even Neanderthals will be able to quote properly. its not too hard. really.

What will you negotiate? What do you put on the table, what do you offer?

Either way, there would have been no need if Blair had been able to control his blood

its your gang that needs to negotiate you may then avoid the consequences of your violence to date blood lust is an islamic trait do your worst i do not think a bunch of pakistani teenagers concern us overmuch, except fot the expense of umemployment benefit tom

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Things to negotiate:

1. Troops in Afghanistan
2. Troops in other Muslim countries.
3. Any covert operations in such places.
4. Support for Israel when relating to matters involving the Palestinians or weaponry.
5. Propping up unpopular regimes.

There are 5 points that many people have sore points over. What do you offer? Nothing I am sure someone will pass the negotiated settlement onto their superiors if they find something of worth offered.

we would offer none of those things or anything like them anyone who says otherwise is dreaming.

none of your business anyway or the business of any religion. it would seem that your cult has gotten too big for its boots.

since negotiation is impossible since there is no-muslim body with legitimate authority, recognised by International Law who could sign and deliver on any agreement so we will continue to protect the UK and the subjects of her majesty against threats wherever they are located what are you going to do about it?whinge i expect or blow up a few innocents. send the jihadis to old-folks homes although you are too cowardly for that.

we are unphased by the rantings of pakistani teenagers or the psychopaths of the al qaeda franchise Careful, or we will send the israelis after you Boo!

so enjoy your jihad

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tom wrote:

...we are unphased...

Who are "we"? the borg? a figment of your imagination? we the subjects of her majesty most ethnic brits

and if you can't deliver upon negotiations, why ask for them in the first place? i did not
i pointed out that there is no legitimate muslim body to negotiate with and certainly not you and in any case the answer to your demands is, "nuts" its you who needs negotiations but who cares you will have to be sorted out using all necessary means to protect the uk

It is easier to take people as individuals and then deal with the individual issues - people from afghanistan have different issues than people from Gaza, from Somalia, for an arab country, from indonesia.

actually i do not give a fig forthe hoodlums in gaza or bloodthirsty psychopaths of somalia
and we can let the Indonesian government sort out the fundisthere and the police can deal with the likes of you in case you did not spot it your bluff is being called you are just a noisy rabble who aspire to be criminals using a cult to try snd disguise your nihilism tom

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ok... except it was your bluff that was called.

really by whom? an exploding jihadi or two the game has barely begun and your tactics have gotten you nowhere they hsve set back islam by half a century and turned it into a pariah bin hidin' damaged islam more than the west ever could

we europeans have had enough ever hear of gk chesterton?

" for we are the people of England who have never spoken yet"

you had your jihad you lost

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you were demanding someone to negotiate with and now make clear that you have since decided to change your stance as there is nothing to negotiate.

which part of "there is nobody to negotiate with" did you not quite understand?

"we the europeans" are also a religious lot and in general, I would suspect the vast majority either cannot stand or atleast disagree with athiesm.

rubbish any evidence for your statement? and no business of yours anyway

You my friend are not a part of "we the europeans", you do not fit in, never have and can only really fit in if future europe becomes even more tolerant.

thank you i fit in very well having been company director in several european countries. it is you who are the pariah with the chip on his shoulder because your death cult has been rumbled

When it comes to the bigger picture, hte big bang, the start of the universe, it is far harder to believe that there was no God than to believe that there is one... considering how even if there was a minute change of conditions there - more mass, more dense mass, different types of mass etc, the universe as we know it would not have been created, following occams razor, any logical person would accept the existence of God. It is the simplest answer, the only logical conclusion.

the enemy is "belief" itself anyway the simplest answer may be appropriate for simpletons enjoy your jihad is it a global jihad or just a neighbourhood one? tom

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tom wrote:

rubbish any evidence for your statement? and no business of yours anyway

You made it my business by saying you wanted to protect European heritage, the european way of life.

There was a poll recently on religions, 25% of Brits did say they were athiests, a large rise from what was there before. Its the new cool thing, but it is not historical and pretending to not want Islam and muslims around due to them not having a European heritage is hypocritical to your stance considering where you come from and believe.

thank you i fit in very well having been company director in several european countries. it is you who are the pariah with the chip on his shoulder because your death cult has been rumbled

Looking like you fit in is not the same as actually fitting in mind, body and spirit. that is indeed the problem with muslims

tom wrote:

the enemy is "belief" itself anyway the simplest answer may be appropriate for simpletons

But it is also the logical one. enjoy your gcse science

tom wrote:

enjoy your jihad is it a global jihad or just a neighbourhood one?

Thanks, I will inshallah.

tom wrote:

You wrote:

tom wrote:

rubbish any evidence for your statement? and no business of yours anyway

You made it my business by saying you wanted to protect European heritage, the european way of life.

i certainly do want to protect that heritage and so do most europeans

There was a poll recently on religions, 25% of Brits did say they were athiests, a large rise from what was there before. Its the new cool thing, but it is not historical change it the only constant - you see people in europe can change their beliefs without being stoned to death. that may have something to do with it - perhaps did did not realise that? and pretending to not want Islam and muslims around due to them not having a European heritage is hypocritical to your stance considering where you come from and believe.
we do not want islam and muslims around because we do not like the cultural baggage it comes with including arranged marriages, honour killings and the refusal or inability to integrate which result in alien ghettos. to that we might add your incomprehension of european art and music which result in increased alienation that is without terrorism, demands for hateful shariah, and halal slaughter and the arrogance that surprisingly comes from those with least to be arrogant about. we do not have all these problems with hindus or jews,

thank you i fit in very well having been company director in several european countries. it is you who are the pariah with the chip on his shoulder because your death cult has been rumbled

Looking like you fit in is not the same as actually fitting in mind, body and spirit. that is indeed the problem with muslimswhat an arrogant statement how dare you tell me that i do fit into my own homeland how many european languages do you speak? you are the enemy alien. its a jihad remember?

tom wrote:

the enemy is "belief" itself anyway the simplest answer may be appropriate for simpletons

But it is also the logical one. enjoy your gcse science

tom wrote:

enjoy your jihad is it a global jihad or just a neighbourhood one?

Thanks, I will inshallah.

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Looking like you fit in is not the same as actually fitting in mind, body and spirit.

... you are the enemy alien. its a jihad remember?

This has got to stop.

Britain is our home. I don't care about the Muhajiroon/Islam4UK/Bin Hidin' lot. If they tell me I should reject Britain as my home and work to undermine and kill my white neighbours, then I will walk away, or tell them to shut up or (if I think they're serious about the 'kill' bit) forward their details to the police. But tell me Tom, isn't it then fair, that my white neighbours accept me a Brit? Fair enough my mother's family is from India, and yours probably isn't, but why does that make this country any less my home than it is yours?

I feel cheap for trying to prove myself to someone who doesn't seem to want to listen to my message of peace, but I'm gonna keep trying anyway. Most of my closest friends have been white, European Brits. As for my religio-political views, I've had a look at the Oxford Centre for Islamic Studies and Queen Rania's wiki profile like you suggested and I think they're doing sterling work.

If you're feeling threatened by non-white people, specifically Muslim people, who keep trying to blow people up and make us as Brits feels scared, then spare a thought for how those Brits who are peaceful Muslims feel that we are linked to such scum. We have to balance anger and shame with the fear that everyone else feels, because our religion is being hijacked and our spiritual values massacred.

Please believe that if I stumble across a mosque which is a hive for ingrown terrorists in the UK, you can bet I'll be calling the police. The thing is, it hasn't happened yet. I've been to maybe fifteen UK mosques in my life and no-one was preaching jihad against the west.

I have never considered England to be anything other than my home. Would you cast me out?

Dawud wrote:

tom wrote:

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Looking like you fit in is not the same as actually fitting in mind, body and spirit.

... you are the enemy alien. its a jihad remember?

This has got to stop.

Britain is our home. so it was for the germans and italians interned in 1939 or the japanese intered in the usa after pearl harbour thats the kind of thing that happens in wartime not wartime you say? it looks like wartime from here andit does to the islam uk nutters

I have never considered England to be anything other than my home. Would you cast me out? no and i am the sworn enemy of the bnp and the like, but the muslim community is making life difficult if not impossible for its friends

i have employed muslims and was CEO of a business in a muslim country for a period. no problems but that was years before 9/11 and the rest.

if you are as you say call Thames House and help the uk and help save your community from disaster tom