I think cosmetic surgery would be allowed if say, a dog bit your face off. But not if you just want to look like Victoria Beckham.

I read on sunnipath.com that cosmetic surgery is halal (in particular circumstances that is! :--p ). i.e. if you suffer psychological damage as a result of a particular cosmetic flaw or defect etc. Body dysmorphic disorder I suppose?

In our society, nearly all of us have been exposed (through advertising and general everyday life), and conditioned to value and enhance our external appearances - especially women who are taught by society from their infancy. Our spiritual and internal being to put on the back benches. Why only embelish your body and not your heart too?

Beauty has degraded itself to only manifest itself through an external representation. You cant have good qualities like compassion and generosity to be beautiful, you have to opt for cosmetic operation :roll: :?

As you can tell, I dont see the real need for cosmetic surgery I think its a natural human and basic nafsi trait not to be content, and always want better.. We humans are never satisfied - the grass is always greener.. Forget moisturiser, use anti-ageing cream, leave that and use botox, or why not go for the whole hog and get a face-lift :roll: btw in 10 years, you'll have to repeat the process :roll:

Salam

BM wrote:

many asians (mainly women) are very keen on finding ways to achieve fair coloured skin...........hence.....TIBET cream and Allah.

I think God would certainly work.

But Tibet? Definately not.

Omrow

Omrow you were being smart but to treat you with your own medicine so to speak, he was using a saying God knows what else and putting ALLAH swt where god was so your not so smart(well this post wasnt required to point that out).

Salam

Well, it was clear to me that BM said
many ladies were resorting to God and cream to become white.

Perhaps he was referring to some
whitening prayer while using the cream.

Applying "God and Cream", so to speak.

That doesn't work. Its idolatry.

Remember Shilpa Shitty incident on Channel 4 ?

She was also trying desperately to beome a white woman.

Omrow

Salam

Oh, I sm sorry BM.

Ok then.

Can you clarify what exactly you meant by
saying that Asian girls hope to turn white by using
Tibet cream, Allah, and SWT knows what else.

Omrow

Reading what Omrow writes makes me realise that sarcasm and wit is a very real and delicate art form. Ever considered writing a book? :--p

You guys need to stop being so touchy. Someone can't make a joke on this forum without everyone taking it so seriously and getting all defensive.

2 words:

lighten.
up.

Hmmmmmmm

maybe liposuction
is that allowed???
cos ur only sucking fat out of urself!

salams,
someone mentioned dental braces,i dont think that's haram, it falls under a different category. straightening bent teeth that a person could get bullied for.

I would get no cosmetic surgery done,coz i don't have hangups about myself,i am what i am, and pleased that Allah (swt) made me this way, anything more is vanity.

I'll use lotions and potions but under the knife i shall not go,its a waste of money.

Hajjar wrote:

salams,
someone mentioned dental braces,i dont think that's haram, it falls under a different category. straightening bent teeth that a person could get bullied for.

I would get no cosmetic surgery done,coz i don't have hangups about myself,i am what i am, and pleased that Allah (swt) made me this way, anything more is vanity.

I'll use lotions and potions but under the knife i shall not go,its a waste of money.

Hajjar wrote:

salams,
someone mentioned dental braces,i dont think that's haram, it falls under a different category. straightening bent teeth that a person could get bullied for.

So if someone bullies us cos we're Muslim, can we give up our religion?

The vast majority of people get braces for vanity/pride.

Pride is the worst possible personality trait to have.

We can't dye our hair for the same reason. A man can't even wear gold or silk.

You think braces are ok but not wearing gold or silk or dyeing our hair?

I get confused at such literalist interpretations of Islam.

Ya'qub wrote:

The vast majority of people get braces for vanity/pride.

and you've met the vast majority have you? a huge population of the world huh? i think not. you've just made a massive generalisation and im sure a lot of people would actually be quite offended by that comment ya'qub.

people get braces because they want to have decent enough teeth and not because they are vain or for pride! some, note some people may get braces for the reason you have mentioned but that certainly is not the majority. nothing in islam prohibits one from looking good, our bodies are an amanah, we are told to look after ourselves, beautiful ourselves for our husbands/wives. (obviously not to the extent that in attracts the attention of the opposite sex). i aint come across a fatwa that states braces are haram

ya'qub wrote:

We can't dye our hair for the same reason.

you sure about that? of course you can dye your hair. what you mean is we can't dye our hair the same colour as our hair. well you see ya'qub the sahaba may Allaah be pleased with them were instructed by the prophet of Allaah saw to dye their hair black so that when the kufar would approach them on the battle field they would get scared because they would appear to be young and strong (no white hairs). you see ya'qub, there are exceptions in different situations.

Fiqh of Hair Dyes

masha'Allaah top answer.

I dont see how dental braces fall into the category of cosmetic surgery? They're simply there to correct a person teeth alignement allowing the teeth to work better and prevent the muscles in the jaw from being strained.

I had braces put in when i was 13/14 to align two of my teeth. Its not like i even asked for them, my dentist just put me in for them. A little while later the braces came out, my teeth were perfectly aligned.

Things like bleaching your skin is just plain wrong, but Im not too sure where laser eye surgery comes under this. Cos technically it does improve your vision to the point where you MAY not need to wear glasses anymore.

came across some articles which i hope will remove some misconceptions that ppl may have.

Islam's Stance on Liposuction

Live Clinic: Plastic Surgery

Islamic Perspective on Cosmetic Surgery

For those of you that dont like reading the bottom line is that you cant undergo plastic surgery if it is for beautification purposes. Plastic surgery can only be used to remove a defect.

Noor wrote:

Ya'qub wrote:

The vast majority of people get braces for vanity/pride.

and you've met the vast majority have you? a huge population of the world huh? i think not. you've just made a massive generalisation and im sure a lot of people would actually be quite offended by that comment ya'qub.

people get braces because they want to have decent enough teeth and not because they are vain or for pride! some, note some people may get braces for the reason you have mentioned but that certainly is not the majority.

No, it IS true - and its because orthodontists recommend people to get braces...do you know why? Because orthodontists get MONEY from people who wear braces!

SOME people (very few) NEED braces because otherwise they won't be able to brush their teeth properly, but these people are in a tiny minority. If you haven't realised, mankind has been around for THOUSANDS of years without the need for braces, and even today in the vast majority of countries people have much more important things to worry about than one or two crooked teeth.

But it seems around 70-80% of teenagers in Britain are given braces by orthodontists, and the orthodontists are laughing all the way to the bank.

If strait teeth were so important, don't you think Allah (swt) would have made humans have strait teeth? There is a different between a dangerous deformity (e.g. someone being blind) and a slight annoyance (e.g. wearing glasses).

What pisses me off is people who do change themselves in a way which I think is DISHONEST.

e.g.

-contact lenses ("my eyesight is perfect!")
-braces ("my teeth are perfect!")
-hair dye ("I'm not going grey!")
-skin bleach ("look how fair I am!")
-corsets ("I haven't got a pot-belly!")
etc
etc
etc
plastic surgery is the same, but in a more extreme way. It's like beer compared to whiskey. One is worse than the other, but they're both part of the same thing. If we truly believe that only our good deeds and belief will exist for eternity, we would spend more time worrying about that than being vain and proud.

/rant over (until next time)

Ya'qub wrote:

What pisses me off is people who do change themselves in a way which I think is DISHONEST.

e.g.

-contact lenses ("my eyesight is perfect!")
-braces ("my teeth are perfect!")
-hair dye ("I'm not going grey!")
-skin bleach ("look how fair I am!")
-corsets ("I haven't got a pot-belly!")

If shariah has allowed it then what the hell is your problem Ya’qub? ‘I think’ doesn’t come into it, if shariah says yes it’s fine or no it’s haram then that’s that, there’s no room for personal opinions. We really shouldn't speak about matters we have no knowledge of.

Sunnipath wrote:

Question:

What is the permissibility of getting one's teeth cut (by a dentist) purely for the sake of beautification?

Answer:

Assalamu alaykum

In the name of Allah the Inspirer of truth

It is not permissible to make changes to the human body for the sake of beautification. Having the teeth cut for this reason is therefore unlawful.

Abdullah ibn Mas'ud relates that the Messenger of Allah (upon him be peace) prohibited the washirah (Fath al-Bari from Ahmad and Nasa'i). Washirah is the one who cuts or shortens the teeth. See also Radd al-Muhtar 5:239

[b]As for the use of braces to straighten out crooked or unaligned teeth it is permissible (even if there is an accompanying intention for beautification), otherwise it is to be avoided. [/b]

Mufti Taqi Uthmani provides a simple conclusion to issues of this nature. He writes in his commentary on Sahih Muslim:

To conclude: any changes made to the body, by the removal of something or addition of something, in a way that it is permanent and giving an impression that it is part of the original creation, is considered changing (the creation of Allah) and is prohibited. As for the adornment a women adopts for the sake of her husband, like reddening the hands [with henna], the lips, or cheeks [with makeup, etc.], which does not create a confusion with the real creation, it will not come under the prohibition according to the overwhelming majority (jamhur) of scholars. As for removing a sixth finger it will not be considered changing the creation of Allah since it is eliminating a defect or sickness, hence, the majority of scholars have permitted it with the exception of just a few (Takmila Fath al-Mulhim 4:195).
And Allah knows best.

Wassalam

Abdurrahman ibn Yusuf

Source

Sunnipath wrote:

It is permissible, rather recommended (mandub) to dye the hair of the head (and beard for men) provided the ingredients used in the hair dye are Halal.

The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said:
[b]“Change the old age (white/grey hair), and do not imitate the Jews” (Sunan Tirmidhi & Sunan Nasa’i).[/b]

He (Allah bless him & give him peace) also stated:

“The best dye to change your old age is Henna (a red plant dye) and Katm (type of grass)” (Narrated by many Hadith Imams).

Source

Sunnipath wrote:

Colored-contact lenses can not be called haram. They would be permissible for a women to use as part of her makeup for her husband. However, it would not be permissible to wear them outside to draw attention to oneself, and it would surely be haram to deceive a prospective fiance regarding the color of ones eyes by wearing them.

And Allah knows best.

Abdurrahman ibn Yusuf

I wasn't issuing a fatwa, this is nothing to do with whether these things are 'halal' or not. I think those things are dishonest and show ingratitude to Allah (swt). I am perfectly free to have that opinion and make it known. If you follow the example of the prophet 'Isa (as) you wouldn't brush your hair with a comb because your fingers are enough. Is it 'haram' to use a comb? Of course not. But I should tell someone not to spend precise time and money on hair-straighteners.

You don't need to be an imam or a scholar to say that you shouldn't waste your free time playing computer games when you could be doing more productive things like reading Qur'an. It might be 'halal' to play computer games (as long as you complete your obligatory salah) but its still a very BAD thing to do and therefore I can say to someone that they are being 'ungrateful' of Allah (swt), who has put them on this earth and guided them to Islam, but they still choose to waste their time with their Xbox.

Do you understand what I mean (i.e. I'm not trying to issue a fatwa).

that's a matter of opinion wa Allaah wa Rasul alam.

Noor wrote:

that's a matter of opinion

err...yeah. I was stating my opinion.

And don't call me four-eyes.

All right, children, you can stop fighting!

Salams,

i needed braces as a kid, because i had new teeth growing and the old ones hadn't budged. I was in and out of hospital i had eight teeth removed in total. I came out with bulges on my cheek looked like i had been boxing, jokes aside. Did i wana go school like this? I was 15 doing gcses. one teacher made a joke but no students did. But had i been the vulnerable type i would have been bullied.

I had removable braces, and i don't think i did it for vanity. At that age i was like a geeky student, i never cared for boys or high fashion just studies. My teeth needed alignment, since teeth had been removed. if they weren't moved the gap where the tooth was removed would be visible.

Now for those who say its vanity well tell me this would you marry a woman with gaps in her teeth, be honest now. i find it hard to believe. if me having braces is vanity then i say hey perhaps its subconsciously to do with satifying mens vanity. Society is all about women having to be beautiful for men. I mean how many ppl would think it's a big deal if a guys teeth weren't perfect, not as many as compared with the female species i'm sure.

Hajjar wrote:

Now for those who say its vanity well tell me this would you marry a woman with gaps in her teeth, be honest now.

My uncle is so your theory is flawed.

Hajjar wrote:

Society is all about women having to be beautiful for men.

Im sorry but what a load of crap. Just coz society says women have to look and dress a certain way in order to look "beautiful" doesn’t mean to say society is right. If a man only appreciates you for the clothes you wear, the 3 inches of slap or the fact that you have perfect straight white teeth well then the shallow sod aint worth bothering with.

As regards to braces and wearing them for vanity purposes that is not true. My older sis had to have braces for a couple of years coz they had to do an operation on her jaw. Having her jaw broken and pushed back and having metal screws put near her nasal passages and then being told your allergic to morphine was NOT for beautification purposes!!!

im not the one who suggested it was for vanity if you read what brother Yaqub said you'll see he mentioned it, i merely put forward a view. I never said society was right or wrong i said society says in general women must look beautiful for mens eyes,theres a difference.

BTW i had braces i went through a lot of hospital appointments,pain and all the rest so why are you blowing off steam on me?I think you need to calm down a bit.
Your sisters ordeal sounds horrendous, she had issues unrelated to typical asthetic dentistry. We are talking about simply needing braces to straighten teeth no other reason.

I'll say this your uncle is an exceptional man, many brothers these days are very fussy, and very much into asthetics, yes they care about the deeni issues but they want the future wife to be perfect physically aswell. There's nothing wrong with wanting beauty just wanting perfection, coz it cannot be found on this earth.

But ive come to agree with brother yaqub many things we do in society to beautify ourselves is for vanity.I don't think they're all in vain though as Brother Yaqub is suggesting i think...If it maeks us feel better, if it's pleasing for our spouses, if it's not against the laws of our faith, nor against hijab rules whats wrong with it?, nothing.

where's the modesty in what, what are you referring to?

[quote=Noor
you sure about that? of course you can dye your hair. what you mean is we can't dye our hair the same colour as our hair. well you see ya'qub the sahaba may Allaah be pleased with them were instructed by the prophet of Allaah saw to dye their hair black so that when the kufar would approach them on the battle field they would get scared because they would appear to be young and strong (no white hairs). you see ya'qub, there are exceptions in different situations.[/quote]

wem
what if we already hav black hair!?!?!?
n ive heard that u cant dye ur hair black??

can someone please give some links to a scholar thats answered this topic

Furthermore
getting braces is not about vanity
its about trying to hav decent teeth
sometimes if ur teeth arent straight it poses problems
thats just stupid