Protest @ Pakistani consulate in Manchester, Friday 2.30pm

University of Manchester Student Union are holding a protest outside the Pakistani Consulate on Dickinson Road in Rusholme this Friday at 2:30.

We need solidarity at this time, and people need to come out on the streets and articulate their joint sense of frustration and anger.

Please let others know.

Surely there been enough large gatherings of Pakistanis shouting aggressively to scare all of middle-England by now??

Don't just do something! Stand there.

Great... thats all we need.

More dis-organised protests :roll:

Back in BLACK

Frustration and anger at whom?

Musharraf for implementing a system that has proven to be very successful in short term (1-2 years) instances?

Or Bhutto for being a monstrous excuse for a human being? I watched an interview by her when she was in the UK. It truly was sickening. She was literally egging on the US and UK to attack Pakistan. Simply so she could get back in to power. She is NOT MUSLIM. Imran Khan is a dumb cricketer using his fame to win votes. He has no credence.

Musharraf for all his faults hasn’t previously done a bad job. Lal Masjid was the doing of the people from Lal Masjid. Not Musharraf. Law and order must be maintained and it cannot be maintained by 2 Mullahs from one mosque.

People who want democracy back in KUFRSTAN need slapping. There is no such thing as democracy. You are truly deluded if you think there is a single incorrupt politician in Kufrstan.

There is only person in Kufrstan who deserves leadership - Raja Irfan Saleem of AJK.

He who sacrifices his conscience to ambition, burns a picture to obtain the ashes!

"Ya'qub" wrote:
Surely there been enough large gatherings of Pakistanis shouting aggressively to scare all of middle-England by now??

lolsss so true

He who sacrifices his conscience to ambition, burns a picture to obtain the ashes!

"mmm" wrote:
Frustration and anger at whom?

Musharraf for implementing a system that has proven to be very successful in short term (1-2 years) instances?

Musharraf for all his faults hasn’t previously done a bad job. Lal Masjid was the doing of the people from Lal Masjid. Not Musharraf. Law and order must be maintained and it cannot be maintained by 2 Mullahs from one mosque.


Pakistani leaders are used to breaking the law and getting away with it. The same goes for Musharraf:
- he has continued the practice of torture to help in 'war on terror'
- he has illegally detained people
- he has handed people over to the US without any semblance of due process
- he has bombed people in his own country
- he has held politicians and human rights activists in detention
- he taken independent media off the air
- he has rigged elections
- and he has just declared himself quasi-absolute leader of Pakistan
All corrupt practices, don't you think?

As for Musharraf and law and order, the Supreme Court has been passing judgements that Musharraf didn't like. So what did this upholder of law and order do? He tried to sack the Supreme Court's Chief Justice. And when that didn't work he suspended the Supreme Court itself and put his cronies in as top judges.

Yes there is corruption in Pakistan. Even the judiciary is one the most corrupt in the world. But when Musharraf tried to sack the chief justice in May the protests in Pakistan were unprecedented. Nothing like this had happened before. Here were lawyers protesting not for political gain but for upholding whatever shreds of law and order there are in Pakistan.

You can't expect Pakistan to become incorrupt overnight. It is the corrupt institutions and individuals who have to change their ways. And this will be a slow process. A process which is being hindered, not helped, by the suspension of law and order.

"mmm" wrote:
Or Bhutto for being a monstrous excuse for a human being? I watched an interview by her when she was in the UK. It truly was sickening. She was literally egging on the US and UK to attack Pakistan. Simply so she could get back in to power. She is NOT MUSLIM.

So why isn't she under house arrest like all the other opposition politicians?

"mmm" wrote:
Imran Khan is a dumb cricketer using his fame to win votes. He has no credence.

What do you have against Imran Khan? That he's not corrupt?

"mmm" wrote:
There is only person in Kufrstan who deserves leadership - Raja Irfan Saleem of AJK.

Is he related to you?

"ßeast" wrote:
he has continued the practice of torture to help in 'war on terror'

You think tortures a bad thing in kufrstan?
"ßeast" wrote:
he has illegally detained people

To prevent terrorism is that bad? Goes against your impeccable morals…
"ßeast" wrote:
he has handed people over to the US without any semblance of due process

You talk like no one else does that? How can you live in the UK? They do that here.
"ßeast" wrote:
he has bombed people in his own country

The Taliban?
"ßeast" wrote:
he has held politicians and human rights activists in detention

Human rights? Where does that exist?
"ßeast" wrote:
he taken independent media off the air

This one made me chuckle. Independent media…..
"ßeast" wrote:
he has rigged elections

Oh no, he rigged an election. Tell me beast, does it rain in Eutopia?
"ßeast" wrote:
and he has just declared himself quasi-absolute leader of Pakistan
All corrupt practices, don't you think?

I hereby declare I own the revival and all it’s employees and Guernsey. Do I own it?

"ßeast" wrote:
Yes there is corruption in Pakistan

Wonders will never cease.
"ßeast" wrote:
But when Musharraf tried to sack the chief justice in May the protests in Pakistan were unprecedented. Nothing like this had happened before. Here were lawyers protesting not for political gain but for upholding whatever shreds of law and order there are in Pakistan.

Truly awe inspiring speech. Lawyers weren’t what? Let me spell it for you. El ay doubleyou why eeeeeee are esssss = Lawyers. You haven’t really seen much a Kufrstan have you?

"ßeast" wrote:
So why isn't she under house arrest like all the other opposition politicians?

Hmm… you tell me?

"ßeast" wrote:
What do you have against Imran Khan? That he's not corrupt?

Nothing and no.

"ßeast" wrote:
Is he related to you?

History dictates me oppose him, if it was down to the caste system. So no.

He who sacrifices his conscience to ambition, burns a picture to obtain the ashes!

Now you've become nihilistic... Maybe it is time you explained why you have this phobia of all things Pakistan-related. What on God's green earth did those rapscallions do to you?

You did say that Musharraf has implemented a system that has worked in the short term and that he hasn't done a bad job. My response is this - he has done what he has done through corruption. The kind of corruption that, and correct me if I'm wrong, you seem to detest Pakistanis for.

Like you, I don't want there to be corruption in Pakistan. But here you are defending the corruption of Musharraf.

"ßeast" wrote:
Now you've become nihilistic... Maybe it is time you explained why you have this phobia of all things Pakistan-related. What on God's green earth did those rapscallions do to you?

You did say that Musharraf has implemented a system that has worked in the short term and that he hasn't done a bad job. My response is this - he has done what he has done through corruption. The kind of corruption that, and correct me if I'm wrong, you seem to detest Pakistanis for.

Like you, I don't want there to be corruption in Pakistan. But here you are defending the corruption of Musharraf.

When you're faced with two evils, you will choose the lesser! Wink

He who sacrifices his conscience to ambition, burns a picture to obtain the ashes!

Can we keep the protests inside Pakistan please?

wait...

They are illegal in the state of emergency...

ok can every one calm down. Nothing to see here, please move along.

PS why do people break the law and then complain when they face the punishment?

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

oooooo a protest myt head out hehehehe

No not the gum drop buttons! – Gingy

The depressing thing is that after Musharraf, the visible options are worse than him.

Bhutto is an already sold-out puppet. Nawaz Sharif is not much better. THere was a reason people accepted the original coup.

That Ilahi guy is a criminal, along with his brothers who actually fled Pakistan by road in the 1999 Coup as they would have had to face charges for their actions... the head of the MQM is a separist terrorist.

Musharraf had a good run of a few years where he cleaned house. But when reimplementing democracy he made his bed with the same crooks.

And now Bhutto has been imposed upon him from abroad. He may be bad at times, but IMO she is worse. She has already made announcements which should be unpalatable to any voter. Only problem is in pakistan the voter does not count.

Maybe let the MMA win. That would serve all the plotters right.

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

Apparently Egypt has been in a state of emergency since 1981.

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

[color=orange][size=18][b]Musharraf’s “Second Coup”-[/b][/size][/color] [color=red][b]Pakistan EMERGENCY[/b][/color]

It was too smooth to believe that Bhutto had secured a ‘deal’ with Musharraf to rule in Pakistan in Partnership. It ran too smooth when Nawaz Sharif was kicked out of the country on his return to Pakistan. It was too smooth to believe that Musharraf had secured his presidency with a majority in Parliament. So was the emergency situation that occurred on Saturday a predictable outcome?

Yes indeed. The signs of a desperate ruler clinging on to his last reigns of power, by ‘any means necessary’, was visible with all the actions under taken by the Military General and self professed Chief Executive/President/ Chief of Army Staff and pioneer of the prophetic ‘Enlightened Moderation’ philosophy, Pervez Musharraf.

Sunday 4th November saw Musharraf imposing emergency, to reassert his flagging authority in response to what he said was to ‘Islamic militancy and to the ‘paralysis of government by judicial interference’. Musharraf sacked and replaced the Chief Justice, house arrested all other judges failing to give oath, and re-elected a new fresh subservient bench of judges throughout the country who gave legitimacy to his previously illegal moves.

Over 1200 Judges, lawyers, Political Party activists, Human rights activists were arrested, as troops and police poured on to city streets clamping down and viciously beating any people in an oragnised protest. Television and radio stations were taken off air and telephone lines cut off intermittently. Musharraf suspended the constitution and fired the chief justice, Muhammad Iftikhar Chaudhry, who spearheaded a powerful mass movement against him earlier this year. Soldiers entered the Supreme Court where Chaudhry and six other judges said Musharraf’s declaration that he would rule under a provisional constitutional order was illegal.

‘Musharraf is acting like a spoiled child, holding the whole country hostage. These are the last days of Pervez Musharraf,’ said Aitazaz Ahsan, who leads the Supreme Court Bar Association as he was escorted from his home into a police van. Ahsan, declared “lawyers would launch a series of nationwide protests”.

The catastrophic moves on the Judiciary came as Musharraf had promised to resign as army chief by 15 November, with general elections due by January. However, the threat posed to Musharraf’s power was the Supreme Court, which was due to rule in the coming weeks on the legality of his controversial 8 October re-election as president. As the result of an opposition boycott, he received 98 per cent of the votes. Musharraf, still not content with the events, quashed the legal challenge with the imposition of an emergency or as some are citing, Martial Law, clearing the way for any further challenges for his post to Presidency.

Unfortunately for Musharraf only, his own tenure has deepened discontent within Pakistan. After eight years of supreme power, Musharraf has, by his own description, brought Pakistan to its knees through unpopular moves of siding with the US in its War on Terror, secularising the country, undermining the resistance in Kashmir, and setting the army upon the citizens of Waziristan and the Northern regions.

Gallup, an independent think tank which delivers in-depth insights on public opinion polling recently conducted a study finding that over 64% of Pakistanis believed that corruption is widespread throughout the government, 68% believed that America is a threat to Pakistani security and less than 6% thought that America was trustworthy or friendly. The study is a mirror reflection on Musharraf as well as Bhutto who have lost all credibility through open alliances with America, fostering a widespread image of corrupt ruling elites who do not carry the nations interests at heart. Nawaz Sharif has been seen in no different light with his display of pragmatic politics and possessing a previous track order of following American Directives, especially after the Kargil episode.

The time is now apt for a sincere leadership to prop forward and discard the countries corrupt legacy to into the dustbins of history. Only time will tell what the Pakistani nation puts forward as an agenda for the future of the country- but most definitely, a ‘Democratic Dictatorship’ is not on the cards.