America tortures Muslims

A good and honest American writer [b]Tara McKelvey[/b] has publiched a book detailing how Americans have been torturing and abusing Muslims:

This is her book:
[b]"Monstering: Inside Americas Policy of Secret Interrogations and Torture in the Terror War."[/b]

I hope Allah burns them in Hell all those who tortured Muslims.

No wonder they are losing in Iraq.

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[b]Abu Ghraib abuse just tip of the iceberg: author [/b]

AFP - by Fanny Carrier - Sun Aug 19, 3:28 PM ET

Those people truely to blame for the degrading treatment of Iraqi prisoners in Baghdad's infamous Abu Ghraib jail remain in the shadows, while such abuses continue unchecked and unseen.

That's the view of American author Tara McKelvey, who sought to uncover the truth behind the 2004 scandal in her book "Monstering: Inside Americas Policy of Secret Interrogations and Torture in the Terror War."

Asked who was really responsible ahead of the trial of the only US military officer charged with tormenting Iraqis at the jail, McKelvey replied: "That's the million dollar question. That's what everyone wants to know."

Lieutenant Colonel Steven Jordan, 51, goes on trial on Monday on charges which include cruelty and mistreatment of detainees, making false statements, obstruction of justice and disobeying orders.

McKelvey hopes the hearing will provide some answers as to why US soldiers forced their Iraqi prisoners to strip, form naked human pyramids, parade on all fours with leashes chains on their necks, and threatened them with dogs.

"These court-martials have been very useful in the sense that they allow people to ask questions. And they forced people to account for their behavior when they were at the prison," she told AFP.

"They are one of the few venues where things things are out in the open."

So far attempts to the blame the affair on US President George W. Bush, who ordered the invasion of the Iraq in March 2003, his Vice President Dick Cheney or former defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld, the main architects of the war, have come to nothing.

"People try to blame Bush, they blame Cheney, they blame Rumsfeld. But chasing that chain of command is difficult, partly because so much of these documents and the photographs have been withheld from the public," said McKelvey.

She added the "smoking gun" in the scandal could lead to John C. Yoo, who was a lawyer in the office of legal counsel at the Justice Department, and was one of the authors of a key departmental memo.

"In that memo, he defines torture to allow all sorts of abuse and techniques, and that was one of the key points in this entire debate," McKelvey said.

"People say often: torture and abuse have taken place in every war. And it's true, if you look at My Lai or some of the incidents in Vietnam that were horrific.

"But the difference now is that this is codified. There have been allowances made for these things to occur."

The Abu Ghraib scandal first came to light in 2004 when photographs the grinning soldiers had taken of themselves dishing out the abuse to their prisoners shot round the world.

But McKelvey believes the abuse was more widespread than was ever revealed and is probably still continuing in other places and situations.

"It's true you can say the scandal exists because of the photographs, but what you saw on the pictures was really only a fraction of the abuse that was taking place. And certainly not the worst of it," she said.

"There is no question in my mind that the extent was far greater than it was acknowledged at that time. In December 2003, there was something like 12,000 detainees in Iraq," she said.

But there were thousands who were never registered and held in short-term facilities such as schools or police stations, she added.

"Today, polls show that a sizable number of soldiers think that torture is OK in certain conditions, that they won't report abuse if it takes place.

"And I think the sad truth is that these things are still taking place but the difference between now and April-May 2004 is that people aren't taking pictures."

[b]US military officer goes on trial for Abu Ghraib abuse [/b]

Lieutenant Colonel Steven Jordan, the only military officer charged in the prisoner abuse scandal at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib jail, goes before a court martial Monday in Fort Meade, Maryland.

More than three years after snapshots of Iraqi prisoners humiliated by their prison guards shocked the world, only a handful of US soldiers have been convicted, but none of their military or civilian superiors.

The pictures showed naked prisoners piled in pyramids, tied to each other with electric wire, threatened by dogs, wearing women's undergarments on their heads and forced to parade naked before female guards.

The graphic abuse cut short the widespread feeling of sympathy the September 11, 2001 attacks had generated for the United States, In 2006, US President George W. [b]Bush admitted the Abu Ghraib scandal was the biggest mistake[/b] his government made in Iraq.

Donald Rumsfeld, the controversial defense secretary at the time, said he had twice tended his resignation over the scandal, which he blamed on just "a few bad apples" out of hundreds of thousands of US servicemen.

Only 11 soldiers have been convicted so far in the scandal. They have received sentences from a few hours of community work to 10 years behind bars. Most said they were simply following orders.

Among the higher ranks, former general Janis Karpinski, prison commander in Iraq at the time of the scandal, was sanctioned with a demotion, but was never put on trial.

After shedding her uniform, Karpinsky said in a book published in late 2005 that the Abu Ghraib abuses "were the result of conflicting orders and confused standards extending from the military commanders in Iraq all the way to the summit of civilian leadership in Washington."

US author Tara McKelvey, who wrote a book about Abu Ghraib, hopes the hearing will provide some answers as to why US soldiers forced their Iraqi prisoners to strip, form naked human pyramids, parade on all fours with leashes chains on their necks, and threatened them with dogs.

"These court-martials have been very useful in the sense that they allow people to ask questions. And they forced people to account for their behavior when they were at the prison," she told AFP.

According to different Pentagon reports, Jordan, 51, was part of the confusion.

At Abu Ghraib he was officially responsible for the interrogation center, but due to his lack of experience he devoted his time to trying to improve conditions for the soldiers posted in the prison who felt they had been abandoned as cannon fodder.

The army reservist who specialised in analysing intelligence, not gathering it, did not supervise interrogations, allowing the abuse to flourish among his badly-stretched staff who were under constant pressure to produce results.

He is accused of forcing prisoners one night to strip naked, before threatening them with attack dogs and of lying to investigators that he had not witnessed any abuse or naked inmates at the prison.

He is charged with obstructing justice, failing in his duties, lying to investigators and of conduct unbecoming an officer. He faces a maximum of 16 and a half years in prison. The court martial is expected to last two weeks.

Jordan's case has drawn little attention by US media, which in just a few articles describe him as a scapegoat in the scandal. Only 20 reporters have signed on to cover his court martial.

Even civil rights groups are keeping a low profile.

malik, what is it with you and the americans? its like you're obsessed with them.

You should have asked the question the other way round:
what is it with americans and the Muslims? its like they are obsessed with them.
The Devil is bound to fight Muslims and Islam. He really hates God.

Most Americans are good people. I dont hate them at all. Its their leaders who make absurd statements and think they can defeat believers in Iraq. How can God and his party be defeated by Satan? Not a chance.

Ayatollah rightly named America as "Great Satan".

"malik" wrote:
You should have asked the question the other way round:
what is it with americans and the Muslims? its like they are obsessed with them.
The Devil is bound to fight Muslims and Islam. He really hates God.

Most Americans are good people. I dont hate them at all. Its their leaders who make absurd statements and think they can defeat believers in Iraq. How can God and his party be defeated by Satan? Not a chance.

Yeah! God would never let the entire coalition of Arab armies be defeated by Israel.........o wait, that already happened.

God would never let Muslims be expelled form Spain by those dirty rotton Catholics..........o wait, that already happened too.

As Muslims, we shouldn't be striving for 'victory' in this life, IF it is at the cost of victory in the hereafter.

Don't just do something! Stand there.

I guess you missed Hezbollah's victory last year.

It was the first time that Israel was defeated by Arabs in 60 years.

Israeli Defence Minister was sacked as a result; also fired was the Israeli Army Chief of Staff who led the battle against Lebanon. British press humilated Israel on a bungled war which cost it its invinsible reputation.

Israeli public wants the PM to resign as well.

I guess you also missed the victory in Iraq which our press is not missing:

Ayatollah rightly named America as "Great Satan".

"malik" wrote:
I hope Allah burns them in Hell all those who tortured Muslims.

What about Muslims who torture people?

Yeah I hope that Iran does not torture Muslims... or Saudi... or Syria... Or Egypt... Or Pakistan... or Afghanistan...

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

AFP[/url]"] [size=15][b]Mother accuses Iran of torturing students[/b][/size]

A mother of one of the three Iranian students still held in jail after an incident in May on Monday publicly accused the authorities of torturing the young men to obtain confessions.

Azam Tajik, mother of Ehsan Mansouri, a student detained for the past four months on suspicion of publishing material offensive to Islam in university newspapers, said her son had been held in solitary confinement in Tehran's Evin prison.

"Our children were forced to confess in prison under torture," she told a news conference on freedom of speech held by Nobel laureate Shirin Ebadi. "When they left solitary confinement they rejected the statements they had given."

The Iranian judiciary has vehemently denied that any accused are tortured in its prisons although it has said the Tehran judiciary is preparing a report about the families' claims.

Mansouri was arrested in May with Majid Tavakoli and Ahmad Ghassaban over the appearance of "anti-Islamic" material and caricatures in reformist student newspapers at Tehran's prestigious Amir Kabir University.

"Our children denied and condemned it, but everyone from the university to security officials said they have committed an offence," Tajik said.

"Who has proven their guilt? In front of which lawyer? Under torture and in solitary confinement?" the distraught mother said.

"They beat up my son when they took him from home to jail, his nose was bleeding all along, they told us we were lying and that we should stop giving interviews," Tajik said.

The students said the material been planted in a plot to discredit them.

Amir Kabir has long been a hotbed of student radicalism and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was last year the target of heckling in a stormy address to the university.

Ebadi defended the jailed students, saying they were detained because they did not have freedom of expression.

"Had the students taken up arms against people? We have always faced this problem that they went to prison because they were not free to express themselves," the 2003 Nobel Peace Prize winner said.

"This principle is forgotten that the dissidents should be free to talk, the supporters of the government have always been free to sing praises to the rulers anyway," Ebadi said.

  • It can never be satisfied, the mind, never. -- Wallace Stevens

Iran does not have torture prisons like ones of Great Satan.

Whole world has now seen what the US really stands for.

[b]Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo are examples of American values.[/b]

Ayatollah rightly named America as "Great Satan".

"malik" wrote:
Iran does not have torture prisons like ones of Great Satan.

your right, the ones in Iran are much worse, and more secretive.

The reason people (quite rightly) are against Abu Ghraib and Guantanemo is because they expect better things from America. The reason the don't go around campaining about illegal Iranain prisons is because they don't expect any better from such a backward, oppresive regime.

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Don't just do something! Stand there.

"Ya'qub" wrote:
because they don't expect any better from such a backward, oppresive regime.

I wouldnt say that.

Iran is a founding member of the UN as well as OPEC. Not to mention the importance of its position as an economical power due to its oil reserves.

Not to mention their military capabilitise.

Back in BLACK

"Seraphim" wrote:
"Ya'qub" wrote:
because they don't expect any better from such a backward, oppresive regime.

I wouldnt say that.

Iran is a founding member of the UN as well as OPEC. Not to mention the importance of its position as an economical power due to its oil reserves.

Not to mention their military capabilitise.

ok, 'an oppresive regime'

Don't just do something! Stand there.

Has Yaqub ever called US an oppresive regime?

If he has not then I wonder why not.

US is a nation that tortures suspects, kidnaps Muslims in rendition programs, and takes them to secret prisons, and a regime that invades other nations ignoring all UN Laws, and one that acts immorally throughout the world; a regime that polls show is hated by more nations than any other?

[b]US is correctly described by Iranian leaders as The Great Satan.[/b]

Ayatollah rightly named America as "Great Satan".

"malik" wrote:
Has Yaqub ever called US an oppresive regime?

If he has not then I wonder why not.

US is a nation that tortures suspects, kidnaps Muslims in rendition programs, and takes them to secret prisons, and a regime that invades other nations ignoring all UN Laws, and one that acts immorally throughout the world; a regime that polls show is hated by more nations than any other?

[b]US is correctly described by Iranian leaders as The Great Satan.[/b]

But, as Muslims, what should we expect from America? It is not ruled my Muslims so why would it be fair.

The fact that Iran calls itself a MUSLIM country: then it is setting a VERY high standard for itself (which by restricting press, and torturing people who stand against its government (not to mention bombing Kurds in Iraq) and now they are making friends with Communists!) it is not living up to the standards we should expect of a 'Muslim' country.

In fact they (the Iranian government) should be ashamed of themselves.

Don't just do something! Stand there.

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But, as Muslims, what should we expect from America? It is not ruled my Muslims so why would it be fair.

whats with the holier then thou 'america is a kaafir country therefore we don't expect them to value basic human rights' attitude?

it's sickning.

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In fact they (the Iranian government) should be ashamed of themselves

just like america

"OCD" wrote:
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But, as Muslims, what should we expect from America? It is not ruled my Muslims so why would it be fair.

whats with the holier then thou 'america is a kaafir country therefore we don't expect them to value basic human rights' attitude?

it's sickning.

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In fact they (the Iranian government) should be ashamed of themselves

just like america

err...as Muslims aren't we immedeatly saying we ARE 'holier than thou'?

Isn't that the whole point of religion?

Islam is a personal CHOICE, its not like saying 'america is a white country we don't expect them to value basic human rights'

anyway, u missed my point. Sure, America SHOULD be ashamed of themselves, but Iran is the one WE AS MUSLIMS should be having a go at.

Don't just do something! Stand there.

[b]The point is that it is Great Satan that bangs the drum of human rights; and yet it is who abuse most the same human rights. [/b]

Al Qaeda is evil but US government is worse.

The Devil makes most noise about freedom but goes on to kidnap people and detain them without trial.

No wonder most Europeans now curse America.

Ayatollah rightly named America as "Great Satan".

"malik" wrote:
[b]I guess you missed Hezbollah's victory last year. [/b]

[[Are'nt.Hezbollah.terrorist.?.]]

[[....&& will you tell all your friends you've got my gun to my head <\3]]

It don't change the fact that they "won".

Sort of.

By "Won" I mean "Didn't lose". By "Didn't lose" I mean "Israel did not meet all it's objectives".

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

Great Satan calls terrorist anyone that it cannot defeat.
That is why his declarations have become a joke.
Even EU does not agree with every thing that devil Bush says.

Only UN has the right to make such declerations. UN said Al Qaeda are terrorists, so I most people, expect Bin Laden, agree with UN.

Who cares about what Satan says?
No one around the world trusts what he says. Only his followers love him and agree with him.

Ayatollah rightly named America as "Great Satan".

"malik" wrote:
Who cares about what Satan says?

Apparently you do.

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.