Read a recent piece by MPAC which is as always lambasting others for not doing enough.
Thing is that on this occasion - and others too, they are simply wrong.
Geert Wilders was not banned from the UK for hurting Muslim Sentiment. He is not being challenged in the Dutch courts for hurting Muslim sentiment.
I watched the film he made - and by far the biggest thing against it was that it was crap. It did not need refuting.
By kicking up a fuss, MPAC (and others) have played into his hands, giving him a legitimacy when there was none.
Talking of "double standards", I am quite sure MPAC are (rightly) against, for example, Yusuf Al Qaradawi being banned from entering the UK.
am I wrong in my opinion, or do MPAC not have much of a leg to stand on? Are they themselves a fitna or a cure?
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stupid question.
Briefly.... What IS Mpac?
And what did they say about Geert Wilders?
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MPAC (Muslim Public Affairs Committee) is a self styled pressure group/website that wants Muslims to be more proactive in social affairs - mainly politics.
It does this by calling out other organisations to task for failing to live up to the standards MPAC wants them to. It generally has good points, but can take things too far and even when its been put down and answered, they present it as a victory (sometimes with video evidence which can be embarrassing). It seems to thrive by creating "controversy" by attacking others and then watching them react (so I am sort of playing into their hands here) and then crowing about its "success".
Currently, they are/were campaigning massively in support of the government banning Geert Wilders from entering the UK due to his stance on Muslims.
Thing is that gave it all more focus and sort of went against the general feeling of "meh, who cares?" and gave him more publicity - exactly what he wanted after his "epic" bombed.
Geert Wilders is a pretender, a wannabe who has (unsuccessfully?) tried to associate with "cool" anti-Muslims to build his image. fighting him, making a big deal about it gives him the legitimacy that he craves.
I guess I am doing the same thing here by "picking" on MPAC.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Yep.I didn't give them a moment's thought until you started mentioning them all the time.
Don't just do something! Stand there.
As usual, "YOU" are wrong.
There were valid points from some people who said that the Dutch MP should have been allowed in UK, and that we could have refuted him.
However, there was also sense in banning this hate preacher.
MPAC were on the side of banning this guy, does not mean they were right, that was their stance and to their credit they made really good points for thier argument.
I do agree with MPAC when they challenge us and our Mosques. They are trying to make Muslims more active, and pro-active in tackling the issues we face.
Of course, Mosques and all of us should reach out and engage with our communities and with the media. This would allow us to communicate our message more clearly and not have to worry about the anti-Islamic propagande.
Obviously, it will take a long time for us Muslims to change our act and to become active, it's just the way we are. We are lazy, we don't really care about anyone else much, no matter how much noise we make about our Muslim brothers. We can't be bothered to do anything for them.
I have to say, it was encouraging to see some of the sms texts and emails on signing petitions and writing to MPs about the Gaza conflict last month. It showed that we can be caring and show that we care by actually doing something.
This is the whole point of MPAC, it is to make us Muslims more pro-active for our own good. For that I am with them 100%, and I will support them in every way possible.
But does it do anything apart from criticise others?
Lobbing grenades over a fence does not really do much does it?
When Muslims actually do good, I see very little from MPAC congratulating them, but the first opportunity to criticise, and they seem to be all over it.
All IMO.
and yes, I can be wrong on many many things. maybe even this.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Hey!
That's not a very nice thing to do, lump 'us' all in with you. If you feel that you are lazy, don't care much about others or can't be bothered to do anything for your Muslim brothers (and sisters...), it doesn't mean that everyone is the same.
Don't just do something! Stand there.
So what have you done lately Mr. Active?
I have no affiliation with MPAC, however, on this issue they engaged with the media and put forward their points very well, e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ou2P5ixMPQ
lol! :badgrin:
None of your beezwax.
But since you asked, I'll give you one thing I haven't done. I haven't complained about other people's lack of effort in a dismissive and condescending way.
And, anyway, I didn't say I had done anything in particular, I just said that it's not nice to think of everyone as bad just because you are bad yourself.
There's a story about two men who bump into each other very early in the morning. One is coming back from doing something haraam and the other is one his way to Fajr. But both of them think the other one is doing the same as them - the bad guy thinks the other man has done something bad, while the good guy thinks the other one is going to Fajr too.
Don't just do something! Stand there.
You do realise that she invoked Godwins law? Geert Wilders is not Hitler.
Mashallah the the person is passionate and makes some very good points but at the same time I think she kind of contradicts herself. Paraphrasing: "Britain is a fair and tolerant society so he should be banned from coming".
Saying that, she does very well and being Broadcast on Sky News is a coup - only problem is its getting Geert Wilders even more fame. Kind of defeats the whole purpose behind not allowing him entry.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
But he's going to get fame and maybe even acceptance, but Chris Huhne from the Lib Dems said that free speech should be allowed so long as it doesn't incite violence, which is perfectly consistent with the liberal traditions.
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