Lasting Impact of the Persian Empire on Central Asia

Published by Dave on 20 January, 2006 - 22:48

As we travel around Central Asia, we see that Persia - not Iran - is everywhere. The Persia of Cyrus the Great spread from Ephesus to Kabul, and from the Sinai to the Syr Daria river (today in Uzbekistan). Since these times, Central Asia's identity has been played around Persia. The southern part of today's Central Asia is nothing less than Transoxiana. The long Persian domination extended to Afghanistan - the former Bactria. It left a heritage more lasting than any political construct: the Persian language, used from the Moghul court in India to Uzbek clans.

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Several of you have also credited Persia with the creation of the caste system based upon color in India.

And what is the relationship between Iran/Persia and the countries in this area? Is it cold or respectful?

Submitted by Medarris on 20 January, 2006 - 23:43

The Persians had a great empire.

They accepted islaam and that was ALLAH's grace on them.

Many ulama were of persian descent including Imam Abu Haneefah rahmatullahi alayh.

Then during a period of fitnah the Persian Emperor decided to convert to shi'tism. The persian ulama who were mostly shafi'ee were rounded up and massacred. The masses were left with just shi'te voodoo priests as leaders.

The people became apostate and reneged on Islaam.

Then the days of darkness started.

The Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'ah in Iran still today suffer under this darkness.

Tehran to my knowledge has not one Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'ah masjid. This is not because there are no Ahlus Sunnah but rather government policy is against muslims.

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Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar

Submitted by Dave on 20 January, 2006 - 23:44

Who was Imam Abu Haneefah rahmatullahi alayh?

When did the Persians convert to shiism?

And why is it that Iran is Shia, but most of the former imperial possessions in Central Asia Sunni?

Submitted by Medarris on 20 January, 2006 - 23:55

In Islam the Orthodox Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'ah consist of four schools of thought - 4 madhabs.

These are four main schools of codified islamic teaching. Eg they codify which method of prayer is best, what makes a person impure, what a person must do to become pure etc.

Each school of thought is loosely based on the knowledge and teaching of one main Imam. The four respected Imams are:

Imam Abu Haneefah
Imam Malik
Imam Shafi'ee
Imam Ahmad bin Hambal.

Thus Imam Abu Haneefah is one of the MAJOR scholars of islaam. The muslims of indo-pak, afghanistan, syria, jordan, iraq, turkey etc are by and large followers of His School of Thought and are called Hanafi.

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Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar

Submitted by Dave on 20 January, 2006 - 23:58

Ah yes okay I definitely know what you are talking about now. I did not know the schools were named after the scholars that founded them.

Isn't Hanafi the school of the former Turkish Empire?

Submitted by You on 21 January, 2006 - 00:03

no. (edit - sorry I misunderstood thwe question.... probably...)

Hanafi are those of the school of thought that follow Imam Abu Hanifah and his students. (alot of the fiqh was refined by the students...)

Imam abu Hanifah was a Taba'ee (someone who met the companions of the Prophet (saw)). He was of persian descent.

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"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

Submitted by Medarris on 21 January, 2006 - 00:05

"Don Karnage" wrote:

Isn't Hanafi the school of the former Turkish Empire?

I am pretty sure yes.

Regarding your other qsns.

Why did persia convert to shi'tism?

I dont have full knowledge, I believe the imperial family converted and imposed their apostation upon the people. If I can find an article or a book on the subject will give more details.

Why are central asian republic Ahlus Sunnah?

Im guessing that they were no longer part of the persian empire when the apostation took place? Thats just a guess but I am sure that the persian empire and the influence of the imperial Shah's was greatly reduced after the expansion of islaam.

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Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar

Submitted by Medarris on 21 January, 2006 - 00:20

Quote:
[b]Sometime in the mid-fifteenth century, the Safavids adopted Shia Islam[/b], and their movement became highly millenarian in character. [b]In 1501, under their leader Ismail, the Safavids seized power in Tabriz, which became their capital. Ismail was proclaimed shah of Iran. [/b]The rise of the Safavids marks the reemergence in Iran of a powerful central authority within geographical boundaries attained by former Iranian empires. [b]The Safavids declared Shia Islam the state religion and used proselytizing and force to convert the large majority of Muslims in Iran to the Shia sect[/b]. Under the early Safavids, Iran was a theocracy in which state and religion were closely intertwined. Ismail's followers venerated him not only as the murshid-kamil, the perfect guide, but also as an emanation of the Godhead

[url= here[/url]

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Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar

Submitted by Dave on 21 January, 2006 - 00:20

"Admin" wrote:
no. (edit - sorry I misunderstood thwe question.... probably...)

Hanafi are those of the school of thought that follow Imam Abu Hanifah and his students. (alot of the fiqh was refined by the students...)

Imam abu Hanifah was a Taba'ee (someone who met the companions of the Prophet (saw)). He was of persian descent.

So the founder of the school and the Persian man are not the same person?

Submitted by Medarris on 21 January, 2006 - 00:24

lol, yes they are the same person.

Imam Abu Haneefah was the "founder" of the Hanafi school, he was of persian decent.

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Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar

Submitted by Dave on 21 January, 2006 - 00:24

"Med" wrote:
Quote:
[b]Sometime in the mid-fifteenth century, the Safavids adopted Shia Islam[/b], and their movement became highly millenarian in character. [b]In 1501, under their leader Ismail, the Safavids seized power in Tabriz, which became their capital. Ismail was proclaimed shah of Iran. [/b]The rise of the Safavids marks the reemergence in Iran of a powerful central authority within geographical boundaries attained by former Iranian empires. [b]The Safavids declared Shia Islam the state religion and used proselytizing and force to convert the large majority of Muslims in Iran to the Shia sect[/b]. Under the early Safavids, Iran was a theocracy in which state and religion were closely intertwined. Ismail's followers venerated him not only as the murshid-kamil, the perfect guide, but also as an emanation of the Godhead

Btw, how do I do it such that I just have Click here written above instead of having all that rubbish written on top?

Wow so it seems like the history of Iran's flirtation with theocracy extends beyond the present day.

In order to do what you are asking you have to use the "URL" function right next to "Img"

[url] [/url]

then you edit the first brackets to look like this

[url=] [/url]

and insert your link into brackets right after the =

[url=www,yourlink,com] [/url] (use periods instead of commas obviously)

then write whatever it is you want the words to say "here" in between the first and second brackets

[url=yourlink]Words[/url]

And - voila you get this:

[url= google[/url]

Submitted by You on 21 January, 2006 - 00:25

Abu Hanifah means father of hanifa.

The school is thus named after his daughter...

And ImamAbu Hanifah, the person who the hanafi fiqh was based on was persian.

(in other words, yes same person.)

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"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

Submitted by You on 21 January, 2006 - 00:26

"Don Karnage" wrote:

In order to do what you are asking you have to use the "URL" function right next to "Img"

[url] [/url]

then you edit the first brackets to look like this

[url=] [/url]

and insert your link into brackets right after the =

[url=yourlink] [/url]

then write whatever it is you want the words to say "here" in between the first and second brackets

[url=yourlink]Words[/url]

And - voila you get this:

[url= google[/url]

What is this witchcraft?

And why do you summon Shaykh Google?

(I had a full post on guidelines for all this before... then we lost forums. I may write it again...)

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"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

Submitted by Medarris on 21 January, 2006 - 00:27

Thank you very much indeed bruv.

And actually Imam Abu Hanifah did not have that kunya because of a daughter or son called Hanifah.

It was an honorific kunya, connected to ALLAH declaring Nabi Ibraheem alayhis salaam HANEEFAH in Holy Quran.

If anything, I believe the kunya if done by offspring should have been Abu Hammad. and ALLAH knows best.

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Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar

Submitted by You on 21 January, 2006 - 00:40

title.

[edit]

Med you sure that is where it came from?

then why is it ABU Hanifa?

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"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

Submitted by Medarris on 21 January, 2006 - 00:45

yes, pretty confident.

It is not necessary for the kunya to be of the child.

Sayyidina Ali radhiyallahu anh's kunya was Abu Turab - Father of Dust and this was given to him when Nabi salallahu alayhi wa sallam called him this on a specific occasion.

Sayyidina Abu Hurayrah radhiyallahu anh was called Father of the Kitten because he was fond of kittens.

Sayyidina Abu Bakr radhiyallahu anh had not son called Bakr.

Abu Jahl had no son called Jahl.

etc

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Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar

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