"Teacher/Scholar's are over-praised & over-loved"

i really dont know which to choose. i would be in the middle of the last two i think..

The third one has a hypocritical edge:

"The scholars/teachers I like, they ARE that great. But the ones that other people like... meh"

A more correct measure of overpraise/love etc is to lok back at past generations of Muslims and how far they went and compare to that.

Comparatively, scholars and teachers these days go unloved.

The Prophet ﷺ was special and there are stories where the prophet ﷺ did wudu, and the sahabahs did not let the water hit the ground, they would catch the drops and use them for barakah. Same for hair cuts. When getting up to leave, they would sometimes kiss the feet of the prophet (saw). (Note, this is NOT bowing down to the prophet (saw), but when getting up they would do that first.)

And there is the story of AFAIK of Hadhrat Imam Abu Haneefa (ra), who would stand whenever a young boy playing outside came into view - because that child was the son of one of his teachers.

- excluding the Prophet ﷺ -

I'm surprised more people haven't gone for the first option. Not because that's my opinion but just based on what a lot of people seem to say.

[quote=ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE]- excluding the Prophet ﷺ -

I'm surprised more people haven't gone for the first option. Not because that's my opinion but just based on what a lot of people seem to say.[/quote]
you asked one hard question...its making me think..now my head hurts...

What you thinking?

what it means to respect and love the knowledgeable ones.

are there any supposedly knowledgeable one that the majority agree arent so knowledgeable but that are being kissed and hugged etc..

the reality is that alot of ppl think 'molvi's' are 'dodgy' and cause of the division in the muslim ummah and therefore dont get the respect never mind the praise.

[quote=Lilly]what it means to respect and love the knowledgeable ones.

are there any supposedly knowledgeable one that the majority agree arent so knowledgeable but that are being kissed and hugged etc..[/quote]

Everyone will have a different list of who are "worthy" and who are not, but I would contend that that is not what it is to be measured against.

The question is is it allowed in Islam? if yes, then it doesn't matter if someone else doesnt consider the person worthy of the praise.

[quote=TheRevivalEditor]the reality is that alot of ppl think 'molvi's' are 'dodgy' and cause of the division in the muslim ummah and therefore dont get the respect never mind the praise.[/quote]

well..what does "molvi" even mean? i think its dodgy.

if you're a shaykh/scholar/student of knowledge. then call yourself that.

[quote=Lilly][quote=TheRevivalEditor]the reality is that alot of ppl think 'molvi's' are 'dodgy' and cause of the division in the muslim ummah and therefore dont get the respect never mind the praise.[/quote]

well..what does "molvi" even mean? i think its dodgy.

if you're a shaykh/scholar/student of knowledge. then call yourself that.[/quote]

Its the urdu equivalent of teacher/scholar

[quote=ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE][quote=Lilly][quote=TheRevivalEditor]the reality is that alot of ppl think 'molvi's' are 'dodgy' and cause of the division in the muslim ummah and therefore dont get the respect never mind the praise.[/quote]

well..what does "molvi" even mean? i think its dodgy.

if you're a shaykh/scholar/student of knowledge. then call yourself that.[/quote]

Its the urdu equivalent of teacher/scholar[/quote]

so could you say its got a little exclusivity edge to it? he's a teacher/scholar. but only for the people who knows what "molvi" means?

Arabic is the language of Islam. use arabic terms i say. (im gona get done for by Admin...)

[quote=Lilly]
Arabic is the language of Islam. use arabic terms i say. (im gona get done for by Admin...)[/quote]
If there are no other words, in any other language which properly portray the meaning of an arabic word, then yes. Otherwise theres no need to stick to just arabic. Better off sticking to english as everyone understands it.

[quote=ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE][quote=Lilly]
Arabic is the language of Islam. use arabic terms i say. (im gona get done for by Admin...)[/quote]
If there are no other words, in any other language which properly portray the meaning of an arabic word, then yes. Otherwise theres no need to stick to just arabic. Better off sticking to english as everyone understands it.[/quote]

yeah but "molvi" isnt english.

plus, i'd like to use arabic as much as possible. as this is the language Allah revealved the Quran in. hence, He spoke that language.

lol didn't mean molvi, but meant generally using english.

You may want to use arabic, but it wouldn't be fair to use it and stop others understanding what you are talking about and potentially put them off trying to understand. Yes you can try and explain what it means, but that might not work very well or you might just complicate things unnecessarily.

Anyway, up to you.

[quote=ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE]lol didn't mean molvi, but meant generally using english.

You may want to use arabic, but it wouldn't be fair to use it and stop others understanding what you are talking about and potentially put them off trying to understand. Yes you can try and explain what it means, but that might not work very well or you might just complicate things unnecessarily.

Anyway, up to you.[/quote]

your big paragraph, what's your context?

imo, might as well use the arabic terms as they are the ones used in the Quran/Sunnah etc..
lots of mistakes and stuff have happened through translation of work etc...

BUT if you're knowledgeable enough to use arabic terms that are SO complicated they would put off someone from a convo. you *should* inshaAllah, be wise enough to also know when to use the translated equivalents etc..

They don't have to be complicated words - just over complicating the situation.

Even if they are simple terms, people might not know them, (I don't know whether I'm/ I was talking about just rev or generally but making it revival-specific) If you consider the target audience of this website it is the youth and some are more knowledgeable than others even its just the basic stuff.

I don't think you could make massive mistakes using the english equivalents of the arabic as there are translations of Quran/sunnah and people can work out which trans is dodgy and which isn't. Obviously its great to be able to read and understand it in its original form, but there is a very good reason why things get translated...

Maybe you should use the english word then put the arabic in ( ) that way people would get less confused and maybe learn something new too...

[quote=ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE]

Maybe you should use the english word then put the arabic in ( ) that way people would get less confused and maybe learn something new too...[/quote]

VERY good idea (Y)!!

now, what about OTHER language's religious terms? like, well "molvi". should they be used? as a title.

what's maulana?

Molvi shouldn't be used but I guess its conveniant as majority of the people on here are asian (or PK - do other asians even use the word? :oops: ) and also its something that slips off your tongue...or finger tips rather.

maulana = molvi too

[quote=ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE]Molvi shouldn't be used but I guess its conveniant as majority of the people on here are asian (or PK - do other asians even use the word? :oops: ) and also its something that slips off your tongue...or finger tips rather.

maulana = molvi too[/quote]

dont be embarrassed. i didnt mean on revvy specifically, i meant generally.

(i say, we're great at having discussions)

great minds think alike lills... was gnna say tht as well, but didn wnna interupt ur flow... 🙂