What is honor? And what is Shame?

As the title suggests, what do you consider honor to be?
Is there an Islamic definition of honor?

And what do you consider shame to be??

shame?

whatever it is, it comes with faith.
if you have no iman, you will have no shame.
and you cant have iman until you have shame.

well, that what the holy Prophet (pbuh) taught us.

one you have both, then you have honour.
otherswise you are a dishonourable filthy dirty shameless kafir. look how lanati men in the west allow their females go naked and be enjoyed by strange boys on the street.

no haya whatsoever. lanaties.

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Your own soul is nourished when you are kind; it is destroyed when you are cruel.

no sister. who am i to create religion. thats God's job. even prophets cannot do that.

iman means to believe in only one true God; that there is no other god except Allah.
thats what our holy Prophet (pbuh) spent his entire life teaching and spreading.
all true prophets of God taught people that this is iman. that is what book of God also says.
so lets not do bidah in iman by adding other things to it.
Allah is the one and only real God. that is true iman. everything else is other things.

Ayatollah rightly named America as "Great Satan".
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malik wrote:
no sister. who am i to create religion. thats God's job. even prophets cannot do that.

iman means to believe in only one true God; that there is no other god except Allah.
thats what our holy Prophet (pbuh) spent his entire life teaching and spreading.
all true prophets of God taught people that this is iman. that is what book of God also says.
so lets not do bidah in iman by adding other things to it.
Allah is the one and only real God. that is true iman. everything else is other things.

Mashallah malik, that was well said.

Also LOL @ Lanaties! Lol

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Seraphim wrote:
malik wrote:
no sister. who am i to create religion. thats God's job. even prophets cannot do that.

iman means to believe in only one true God; that there is no other god except Allah.
thats what our holy Prophet (pbuh) spent his entire life teaching and spreading.
all true prophets of God taught people that this is iman. that is what book of God also says.
so lets not do bidah in iman by adding other things to it.
Allah is the one and only real God. that is true iman. everything else is other things.

Mashallah malik, that was well said.

Also LOL @ Lanaties! Lol

thanks brother; but praise is due to God, not me.

Ayatollah rightly named America as "Great Satan".
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Your own soul is nourished when you are kind; it is destroyed when you are cruel.

Bijou wrote:
malik wrote:
no sister. who am i to create religion. thats God's job. even prophets cannot do that.

iman means to believe in only one true God; that there is no other god except Allah.
thats what our holy Prophet (pbuh) spent his entire life teaching and spreading.
all true prophets of God taught people that this is iman. that is what book of God also says.
so lets not do bidah in iman by adding other things to it.
Allah is the one and only real God. that is true iman. everything else is other things.

To believe there is no true God but Allah swt is called Shahada.

Agreed- the Prophets did spend their entire life preaching this message Allhumdulilah. But thats not what Imaan is.
I can say the Shahada and still do wrong things knowingly, I can say the Shahada and still have a boyfriend, I can say I believe there is no God but Allah and still lie, cheat, backbite.

Imaan is love of the Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam (Peace and Blessings be upon him) .Once love of the Prophet has reached our hearts and minds we have acquired Imaan.

You cant have a boyprend! You're married!! Tut tut for shame ¬_¬
lol

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Seraphim wrote:
Bijou wrote:
malik wrote:
no sister. who am i to create religion. thats God's job. even prophets cannot do that.

iman means to believe in only one true God; that there is no other god except Allah.
thats what our holy Prophet (pbuh) spent his entire life teaching and spreading.
all true prophets of God taught people that this is iman. that is what book of God also says.
so lets not do bidah in iman by adding other things to it.
Allah is the one and only real God. that is true iman. everything else is other things.

To believe there is no true God but Allah swt is called Shahada.

Agreed- the Prophets did spend their entire life preaching this message Allhumdulilah. But thats not what Imaan is.
I can say the Shahada and still do wrong things knowingly, I can say the Shahada and still have a boyfriend, I can say I believe there is no God but Allah and still lie, cheat, backbite.

Imaan is love of the Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam (Peace and Blessings be upon him) .Once love of the Prophet has reached our hearts and minds we have acquired Imaan.

You cant have a boyprend! You're married!! Tut tut for shame ¬_¬
lol

Boyprend? LOL.
I was speaking hypothetically.

Your own soul is nourished when you are kind; it is destroyed when you are cruel.

Bijou wrote:

But thats not what Imaan is.

I can say the Shahada and still do wrong things knowingly, I can say the Shahada and still have a boyfriend, I can say I believe there is no God but Allah and still lie, cheat, backbite.

Imaan is love of the Prophet (saw). Once love of the Prophet has reached our hearts and minds we have acquired Imaan.

That is bidah. Sister is adding to the love of God. Its almost shirk.

would you not have your boyfriend if love of Prophet (pbuh) has reached your heart?

Ayatollah rightly named America as "Great Satan".
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malik wrote:

That is bidah. Sister is adding to the love of God. Its almost shirk.

would you not have your boyfriend if love of Prophet (pbuh) has reached your heart?


Although I agree with you on the definition of imaan, I don't get what you mean here I-m so happy :S

"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi

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Your own soul is nourished when you are kind; it is destroyed when you are cruel.

Bijou wrote:

When you love the Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam (Peace and Blessings be upon him) your aim and purpose in life becomes one- Allah swt and this is how you will truly love him. Therefore you will restrain from ANY KIND OF SIN to be best of your ability. And if I did not have love of the Prophet I would have a boyfriend, I would lie and I would slander knowing that I am doing wrong, but because I don't have any motivation to stop me I will continue. However, once love of the Prophet has been acquired within your soul you gain your motivation.

Thats really weird sounding tbh, it's like you're talking about God Beee

I'm pretty sure you should refrain from sin for God and not Prophet Muhammad PBUH.

Seems fine to talk about deep love for him but when you take it further than that and make all your actions for him, it just seems odd. I thought that when your intentions are pure, that means you're doing stuff for the sake of Allah, and Him alone.

#Before you look at the thorns of the rose , look at it's beauty. Before you complain about the heat of the sun , enjoy it's light. Before you complain about the blackness of the night, think of it's peace and quiet... #

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Your own soul is nourished when you are kind; it is destroyed when you are cruel.

Bijou wrote:
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you know you've been quoted so there was no point of that :/ Just makes the conversation a little bit confusing for new readers maybe :/

"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:
Bijou wrote:
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you know you've been quoted so there was no point of that :/ Just makes the conversation a little bit confusing for new readers maybe :/

Lol I know and realise that.

But I think I should keep my mouth closed at times... :roll:

Your own soul is nourished when you are kind; it is destroyed when you are cruel.

Wth?

Don't make such statements if you can't stand by them or at least detract them above board, or else it seems abit rude to just try to pretend you never said things in mid conversation with people.

And to anyone: Does Sheikh Tahir Ul-Qadri advocate the same stuff?

#Before you look at the thorns of the rose , look at it's beauty. Before you complain about the heat of the sun , enjoy it's light. Before you complain about the blackness of the night, think of it's peace and quiet... #

MakeMeRawr_8TeenF wrote:
Wth?

Don't make such statements if you can't stand by them or at least detract them above board, or else it seems abit rude to just try to pretend you never said things in mid conversation with people.

And to anyone: Does Sheikh Tahir Ul-Qadri advocate the same stuff?

Erm, I'm sorry if I have seemed to confuse you but I chose to take down my posts for personal reasons and nothing to do with ' not standing by them'. If I could not stand by them I would not have said that in the first place!!

And yes to answer your question he does advocate that Imaan is loving the Prophet- you can see for yourself on his videos.

Your own soul is nourished when you are kind; it is destroyed when you are cruel.

I was dreading venturing into this topic because of how many new posts I thought there were.

As for Iman = loving the prophet (saw), I am sure there is more to the equation than that... there has to be belief first generally before there will be love. Look at people who convert to Islam or others who know next to nothing about the prophet (saw).

What loving the prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam (Peace and Blessings be upon him) should provide however is surety and security - continued iman even after instances of hardship etc where some may think "what am I getting out of belief?" (even though belief should not logically fall into such traps, but it can.)

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

Bijou wrote:
MakeMeRawr_8TeenF wrote:
Wth?

Don't make such statements if you can't stand by them or at least detract them above board, or else it seems abit rude to just try to pretend you never said things in mid conversation with people.

And to anyone: Does Sheikh Tahir Ul-Qadri advocate the same stuff?

Erm, I'm sorry if I have seemed to confuse you but I chose to take down my posts for personal reasons and nothing to do with ' not standing by them'. If I could not stand by them I would not have said that in the first place!!

And yes to answer your question he does advocate that Imaan is loving the Prophet- you can see for yourself on his videos.

Right :roll: It's just completely pointless when your posts are in other peoples posts anyway.

And i wasn't asking about definition of Imaan, I meant does he also say you should do good deeds and things for the sake of your love for the Prophet Saww and not for the sake of Allah.

#Before you look at the thorns of the rose , look at it's beauty. Before you complain about the heat of the sun , enjoy it's light. Before you complain about the blackness of the night, think of it's peace and quiet... #

I think there is a verse in the qur'an which says following the prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam (Peace and Blessings be upon him) is following God.

The idea is that without Islam being revealed to the prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam (Peace and Blessings be upon him) and coming to us, we would be less likely to know what we are supposed to do etc.

That is different from "for the sake of" I think though...

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

MakeMeRawr_8TeenF wrote:
Bijou wrote:
MakeMeRawr_8TeenF wrote:
Wth?

Don't make such statements if you can't stand by them or at least detract them above board, or else it seems abit rude to just try to pretend you never said things in mid conversation with people.

And to anyone: Does Sheikh Tahir Ul-Qadri advocate the same stuff?

Erm, I'm sorry if I have seemed to confuse you but I chose to take down my posts for personal reasons and nothing to do with ' not standing by them'. If I could not stand by them I would not have said that in the first place!!

And yes to answer your question he does advocate that Imaan is loving the Prophet- you can see for yourself on his videos.

Right :roll: It's just completely pointless when your posts are in other peoples posts anyway.

And i wasn't asking about definition of Imaan, I meant does he also say you should do good deeds and things for the sake of your love for the Prophet Saww and not for the sake of Allah.

Nope, I don't think its pointless.

And I am still a student of Islam, learning. And I did not say anything about doing things not for the sake of Allah swt...exactly the reason why I took my posts down ...confusion it will and has already caused and the unnecessary debate and criticism.

Many people don't understand the concept of Mohabbat Eh Rasool and I am still learning about it. So if I have said anything offensive, I take it back.

But to correct MakeMeRawr_8TeenF , I did not say ANYTHING at all about not doing things for Allah swt. In fact doing it for the Nabi means you will do it for Allah swt. Because whatever you do, you will not do anything against Islam if you follow the Nabi paak.

I'm sorry for the confusion I caused.

I think I need to stay away from posts all together :roll:

Your own soul is nourished when you are kind; it is destroyed when you are cruel.

yes, but it can be good to discuss through the confusion sometimes to get to the concretes.

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

Bijou wrote:

Nope, I don't think its pointless.

why not?
Bijou wrote:

And I am still a student of Islam, learning. And I did not say anything about doing things not for the sake of Allah swt...exactly the reason why I took my posts down ...confusion it will and has already caused and the unnecessary debate and criticism.

We're all still learning. You getting rid of your posts only causes more confusion and doesn't allow people to understand properly where you're coming from. At the end of the day forums *are* for discussing things, and teaching each other.
Bijou wrote:

Maybe this question should forward in one of the fives Q & A.

I don't understand what the question would be? :/

"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi

You wrote:
yes, but it can be good to discuss through the confusion sometimes to get to the concretes.

Yeah well maybe I need to get used to this kind of discussions...but not about such a sensitive topic.

Your own soul is nourished when you are kind; it is destroyed when you are cruel.

We're all still learning. You getting rid of your posts only causes more confusion and doesn't allow people to understand properly where you're coming from. At the end of the day forums *are* for discussing things, and teaching each other.

I'm sorry it causes more confusion, but it was a personal choice. I should not have mentioned anything or got into this topic in the first place.

Maybe people should not understand where I am coming from until I have fully learnt my project- hence deleting my posts.

It has already caused a lot of controversy and criticism than I had expected or intended it to. I just wanted to point out the importance of loving the Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam (Peace and Blessings be upon him) but the discussion seem to have escalated drastically, mostly my fault.

Maybe I will write an article about this once I've finished the learning process inshAllah.

Your own soul is nourished when you are kind; it is destroyed when you are cruel.

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:
malik wrote:

That is bidah. Sister is adding to the love of God. Its almost shirk.

would you not have your boyfriend if love of Prophet (pbuh) has reached your heart?

Although I agree with you on the definition of imaan, I don't get what you mean here I-m so happy :S

Bijou thinks that love of God would not protect her from having a boyfriend, but love of Prophet would.
thats is why i told her its almost shirk to say such a thing. its certainly bidah, adding to iman.

God is God, and Prophet is not God. .

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Ocean wrote:
Malik, when did you become a little clever? and you don't even impose your strong shi'a beliefs that vigorously any more either... what happened?

LOL

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preaching against shirk and bidah is a one of our duties.

Islam is a pure faith from God. We are not allowed to add to it, subtract from it, or to alter it.

We cannot allow shameless lanaties to pollute Allah's religion like they pollute their daughters and sisters.

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Ocean wrote:
Truth's_Razors wrote:
Ocean wrote:
Malik, when did you become a little clever? and you don't even impose your strong shi'a beliefs that vigorously any more either... what happened?

LOL

Yeah I know I found it funny too.

(No seriously, where the funny part?)

Before i even opened this - i had a feeling you'd ask me that. Your comment just sounds so very sarcastic (even if you don't mean it to sound so!)

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Ocean wrote:
Truth's_Razors wrote:
Ocean wrote:
Truth's_Razors wrote:
Ocean wrote:
Malik, when did you become a little clever? and you don't even impose your strong shi'a beliefs that vigorously any more either... what happened?

LOL

Yeah I know I found it funny too.

(No seriously, where the funny part?)

Before i even opened this - i had a feeling you'd ask me that. Your comment just sounds so very sarcastic (even if you don't mean it to sound so!)


Are you saying I'm predictable? or did you lead me onto it...

I pick option three: No comment.

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