Suicide or Martyrdom?

In the argument of whether operations where the person brings death upon himself are allowed or not, the ones who oppose this form of Jihad use the main argument that it is suicide because death was not brought by the enemy but by the person himself.
Ibn al Athir, in al-Kamel, mentions an incident that happened during the siege of Acre by Salahudeen. Unfortunately, he mentions it in passing without a comment.

He mentions that Salahudeen needed men so he asked for a ship to transport some of his soldiers from Beirut. This was a large ship carrying 700 soldiers full with equipment and provisions. King Richard of England succeeded in intercepting the ship and it was the decree of Allah that the wind stops and the Muslims were surrounded with a fleet of forty sails. Nevertheless the Muslims defended themselves against this overwhelming force. They succeeded in killing many of Richard’s men but the attack of the enemy was fierce. When the Muslim leader saw that the enemy was overcoming them he said we will not die but honorable and we will not hand over to them anything. He did not want them to take them as prisoners and did not want their equipment to fall into the enemies’ hands. So he descended to the bottom of the ship and broke a hole into it and they all drowned. The entire Muslim force of 700 men strong drowned in the sea.

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What do the principles say:
Suicide is definitely wrong isn't it?
And in that above example with the Muslims drowning so they can lose "honorably"...? How does that help? Doesn't it show that they are weak..or afraid?
And What was that war during the times of Muhammad pbuh where the Muslims lost in that battle? They didn't commit suicide. They just learnt to do better next time.
How important is Honor?

 

s.b.f wrote:
And in that above example with the Muslims drowning so they can lose "honorably"...?

It was not about honour but about not giving the enemy a bargaining chip, supplies.

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

Doesn't Islam have a defence of necessity, where you do the lesser of two evils? Wasn't it the case here?
Allaho Alim.

“Before death takes away what you are given, give away whatever there is to give.”

Mawlana Jalal ud Din Rumi