valorous_warrior wrote:

why are they neglecting the people of palestine?, what have the children of palestine done to deserve the arab world and the rest of the muslim countries to ignore them?

The few times they did try something, they got walloped.

Instead pray that Allah (swt) puts mercy, softness and sympathy into the hearts of the Israeli's.

The problem is not the Israeli's, it is us.

Heard the below recently, but only saw this article today.

Bush gets shoes Rice gets jewels

The shoes of the journalist and the bullets of the fighters of Afghanistan and Iraq are a reflection of the feelings of the Muslims towards America. But the leaders feel otherwise.

According to the State Department, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice got jewelry worth far more than a quarter of million dollars from Arab heads of state in 2007 alone!

Link

Allah (swt) is all powerful and he can instil mercy and compassion into any person He so wishes.

I am not asking you or anyone to beg the Israelis, nor would I want to see that happen.

Saying that I do agree that all this is a fault of the community in a collective manner.

Muhammad Al Sharif made a deal the the Brits to break away from the Ottoman empire... He wanted all the arab lands in one new empire/country. The brits has other partnerships/deals to take care of too.

It is all our fault, but the Arabs states having yet another war does not does not seem like a solution to me.

valorous_warrior wrote:

You wrote:

Allah (swt) is all powerful and he can instil mercy and compassion into any person He so wishes.

I am not asking you or anyone to beg the Israelis, nor would I want to see that happen.

indeed allah is all powerful, but allah only helps those who help themselves and like the shaitan some peoples evil dwells deep , we cannot rely on prayer alone and we cannot rely on mercy from israeli army cuz its never gonna happen, the fact the arab countries continue to do nothing is the biggest crime agaisnt the palestinians

I agree that prayer alone won't help, but guess what? Nor will attacking Israel just like that. Because more people will just die, and it's Palestinians who will suffer as they will be in the middle of all of this.
This is a war of the hearts and mind. Why not appeal to the discontented in Israel? Why not challenge Israel? Be the cahnge that you want to see in the world. Embarrass and humiliate the leaders for their Holocaust.

valorous_warrior wrote:

http://www.reuters.com/article/middleeastCrisis/idUSN06444577

CARACAS, Jan 6 (Reuters) - Venezuela expelled the ambassador to Israel on Tuesday in protest over the offensive in Gaza only hours after leftist President Hugo Chavez called the attacks a Palestinian "holocaust."

what a shining example of what the workd should be doing ...hats off to venezuela

Surely the only people who will lose out because of that is the Catholics of Venezuela who want to visit their holy city of Jerusalem.

This just reminded me. Filling in an application form. One of the questions is:

Q. Why would you want to move to the Middle-East (Dubai to be precise).

hmmmm... im tempted to say 'to pick up women?' lol.

Arab nations are now in a state of rot.

Quote:

Robert Fisk:

The Independent - Thursday, 1 January 2009

The rotten state of Egypt is too powerless and corrupt to act

There was a day when we worried about the "Arab masses" – the millions of "ordinary" Arabs on the streets of Cairo, Kuwait, Amman, Beirut – and their reaction to the constant bloodbaths in the Middle East. Could Anwar Sadat restrain the anger of his people? And now – after three decades of Hosni Mubarak – can Mubarak (or "La Vache Qui Rit", as he is still called in Cairo) restrain the anger of his people? The answer, of course, is that Egyptians and Kuwaitis and Jordanians will be allowed to shout in the streets of their capitals – but then they will be shut down, with the help of the tens of thousands of secret policemen and government militiamen who serve the princes and kings and elderly rulers of the Arab world.

Egyptians demand that Mubarak open the Rafah crossing-point into Gaza, break off diplomatic relations with Israel, even send weapons to Hamas. And there is a kind of perverse beauty in listening to the response of the Egyptian government: why not complain about the three gates which the Israelis refuse to open? And anyway, the Rafah crossing-point is politically controlled by the four powers that produced the "road map" for peace, including Britain and the US. Why blame Mubarak?

To admit that Egypt can't even open its sovereign border without permission from Washington tells you all you need to know about the powerlessness of the satraps that run the Middle East for us.

Open the Rafah gate – or break off relations with Israel – and Egypt's economic foundations crumble. Any Arab leader who took that kind of step will find that the West's economic and military support is withdrawn. Without subventions, Egypt is bankrupt. Of course, it works both ways. Individual Arab leaders are no longer going to make emotional gestures for anyone. When Sadat flew to Jerusalem – "I am tired of the dwarves," he said of his fellow Arab leaders – he paid the price with his own blood at the Cairo reviewing-stand where one of his own soldiers called him a "Pharaoh" before shooting him dead.

The true disgrace of Egypt, however, is not in its response to the slaughter in Gaza. It is the corruption that has become embedded in an Egyptian society where the idea of service – health, education, genuine security for ordinary people – has simply ceased to exist. It's a land where the first duty of the police is to protect the regime, where protesters are beaten up by the security police, where young women objecting to Mubarak's endless regime – likely to be passed on caliph-like to his son Gamal, whatever we may be told – are sexually molested by plain-clothes agents, where prisoners in the Tora-Tora complex are forced to rape each other by their guards.

There has developed in Egypt a kind of religious facade in which the meaning of Islam has become effaced by its physical representation. Egyptian civil "servants" and government officials are often scrupulous in their religious observances – yet they tolerate and connive in rigged elections, violations of the law and prison torture. A young American doctor described to me recently how in a Cairo hospital busy doctors merely blocked doors with plastic chairs to prevent access to patients. In November, the Egyptian newspaper Al-Masry al-Youm reported how doctors abandoned their patients to attend prayers during Ramadan.

And amid all this, Egyptians have to live amid daily slaughter by their own shabby infrastructure. Alaa al-Aswani wrote eloquently in the Cairo paper Al-Dastour that the regime's "martyrs" outnumber all the dead of Egypt's wars against Israel – victims of railway accidents, ferry sinkings, the collapse of city buildings, sickness, cancers and pesticide poisonings – all victims, as Aswani says, "of the corruption and abuse of power". Opening the Rafah border-crossing for wounded Palestinians – the Palestinian medical staff being pushed back into their Gaza prison once the bloodied survivors of air raids have been dumped on Egyptian territory – is not going to change the midden in which Egyptians themselves live.

Sayed Hassan Nasrallah, the Hizbollah secretary general in Lebanon, felt able to call on Egyptians to "rise in their millions" to open the border with Gaza, but they will not do so. Ahmed Aboul Gheit, the feeble Egyptian Foreign Minister, could only taunt the Hizbollah leaders by accusing them of trying to provoke "an anarchy similar to the one they created in their own country."

But he is well-protected. So is President Mubarak.

Egypt's malaise is in many ways as dark as that of the Palestinians. Its impotence in the face of Gaza's suffering is a symbol of its own political sickness.

I was hoping iran would luanch a nuclear attack on the jews>

Why would they do that?

What would it achieve?

And where would they get the nukes from?

big bro wrote:

I was hoping iran would luanch a nuclear attack on the jews>

If that's a joke, its a horribly tasteless one.

If its not, then you are a horrible tasteless person.

valorous_warrior wrote:

big bro wrote:

I was hoping iran would luanch a nuclear attack on the jews>

I think a missile attack would suffice

Yes, but in the game of chess you can never let your opponent see your pieces.
(Points on map) If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate!

lol

Revenge is not an acceptable idea IMO.

valorous_warrior wrote:

* jews influence the media

It's a good job Muslims are terrorists then.

valorous_warrior wrote:

* the world has no sympathy for muslims

The world is not against Muslims. A fifth of the world's population is Muslim. Muslim countries variously count on the support of the world's most powerful countries i.e. China, Russia, America.

UN resolutions show how much the world is behind the Palestinians. It is almost always a handful of countries which side with Israel whilst the vast majority back the Palestinians.

See here: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/UN/usvetoes.html

Beast wrote:

valorous_warrior wrote:

* jews influence the media

It's a good job Muslims are terrorists then.

valorous_warrior wrote:

* the world has no sympathy for muslims

The world is not against Muslims. A fifth of the world's population is Muslim. Muslim countries variously count on the support of the world's most powerful countries i.e. China, Russia, America.

UN resolutions show how much the world is behind the Palestinians. It is almost always a handful of countries which side with Israel whilst the vast majority back the Palestinians.

See here: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/UN/usvetoes.html

Yeah, but you're forgetting the main point of his argument:

Let's all complain and cause a fuss,
Before somebody thinks of blaming us.

valorous_warrior wrote:

Then why are palestinians left to die on the streets ?

I don't know.

But it is not the case that the world has no sympathy for the Palestinians.

valorous_warrior wrote:

why is it a good job muslims are terrorists? they do more bad then good and tarnish the name of true freedom fighters

Muslims are terrorists just as Jews influence the media.

While I'm making duas God guide us to peace and let it be the strongest prayer.

valorous_warrior wrote:

educate urself

valorous_warrior wrote:

The Lamp wrote:

I agree that prayer alone won't help, but guess what? Nor will attacking Israel just like that. Because more people will just die, and it's Palestinians who will suffer as they will be in the middle of all of this.
This is a war of the hearts and mind. Why not appeal to the discontented in Israel? Why not challenge Israel? Be the cahnge that you want to see in the world. Embarrass and humiliate the leaders for their Holocaust.

attacking israel is not the answer but defending the innocent palestinians in gaza is....im not saying invading israel is the answer , personally i dont think invading israel is a solution but like i stated if arab countries stop trading in oil to countries who support israel and all the muslim countries that are helping americas 'war on terrorism' refuse to help america, or even show a louder voice in their anger agaisnt israel the pressure would be greater

(quote=The Lamp]

This is a war of the hearts and mind. Why not appeal to the discontented in Israel? Why not challenge Israel? Be the cahnge that you want to see in the world. Embarrass and humiliate the leaders for their Holocaust.

People have been trying to do that for 60 yrs to no avail

* jews influence the media
* the world has no sympathy for muslims

All the palestinians holding their dead familys cry 'why arent the muslims helping us'?

how do you answer that ?

your not worth fighting for, your blood isnt as valuable, were afraid of getting attacked by israel or USA, where are we gonna get the funds to pay for my new arabian palace and roll royces if USA stops paying us....?[/quote]

You sure that we've been trying for 60 years? I don't think we have. At least not hard enough. You Jews own the media, well why not get involved in the media and try and have some Muslim influence?
Go on demonstrations, leave comments, sign petitions, call for sanctions on Israel.
I think you'll find the world will have sympathy for Muslims if you do the right things.

There are some serious answers on this and other threads that as well as speaking to Israel speak to all the views that obstruct a negotiated peace and I feel deeply that this worldly approach is the only way forward.

Of course we're challenging Hamas, but Israel's genocide is causing more support and sympathy for Hamas. Israel's biggest enemy is itself, not Hamas.