HAng on forum,

HAng on,

First & foremost .......... I did NOT write that fatwa.........

I merely presented the Fatwa of an Alim (Mufti) whom I regard as being very knowledgable and competent..........

Second of all.............

Music is regarded as being forbidden by most Ulema.........and is regarded as the safest & soundest majority opinion within the Hanafi Madhab...

third of all................

It is a well researched fact amongst even Non-muslim academics/scientists that Music has an effect on the heart and soul.........and has the ability to negatively affect a person mind.

I would also like to use this opportunity to present a hadith (I think) to the nearest meaning that "music breeds hypocrisy - just a fire burns wood".............I'm sorry for the really vague jist of the hadith. May Allah (SWT) forgive me for any error which I may made while presenting the meaning of that Hadith.

BM wrote:

It is a well researched fact amongst even Non-muslim academics/scientists that Music has an effect on the heart and soul.........and has the ability to negatively affect a person mind.

It can also positively effect a person's mind:

It can help you learn and/or remember things.

It can present complex emotion in a way that mere words never could.

It can express deep love for our Creator.

It can make us work harder.

It can cheer us up.

Amongst other things.

Music is like anything: it CAN be dangerous and lead to haram things, but not necessarily so.

If you don't want to listen to it, then that's absolutely fine. Noone's forcing you to (unless you watch TV or go shopping...maybe you should stop doing those things too).

What you shouldn't do is condemn other people (I'm not saying that anyone has done this so far). If someone disagrees with you, then accept that and move on.

I was reading the reply too, and infact it brought up questions in me mind such as why recite the Qur'an in a beautiful manner if its gna cause your emotions to flow? why read up abt the personalities of perfect men (refering to the Prophets and the Sahabahs) if (theoretically) it makes you feel eomtional?? as long as i am competent, Emotions can not be controlled(involutary), BUT actions can be(voluntary)

If music can be used to the benefit of Islam (teach, preach and awareness of Allah thro educating others) then i'll say bring it on... and many artist have actually achieved this, and they are adored for what they do (not their voice or their looks or their popularity) but the way and the message they convey. Its a bit like the come abouts of the Adhaan... it was to make people aware of the fact that we have some worshipping and praying to do to show Allah our Gratitude and that He's the Boss!

Yes its Haraam if it make you do stuff, most of Rock of death/metal rock is very "anti-Christ" such as Marylin Manson composes but that does not mean we support it! (HARAAM) and most of such songs will promote vulger attitude towards life so it is then that you must avoid it at all cost.

BM wrote:

HAng on forum,

HAng on,

First & foremost .......... I did NOT write that fatwa.........

I merely presented the Fatwa of an Alim (Mufti) whom I regard as being very knowledgable and competent..........

Second of all.............

Music is regarded as being forbidden by most Ulema.........and is regarded as the safest & soundest majority opinion within the Hanafi Madhab...

third of all................

It is a well researched fact amongst even Non-muslim academics/scientists that Music has an effect on the heart and soul.........and has the ability to negatively affect a person mind.

I would also like to use this opportunity to present a hadith (I think) to the nearest meaning that "music breeds hypocrisy - just a fire burns wood".............I'm sorry for the really vague jist of the hadith. May Allah (SWT) forgive me for any error which I may made while presenting the meaning of that Hadith.

thats very simplistic

all ulema appreciate some types of music is haram
ulema also appreciate some music can mislead
ulema also appreciate music which brings you to islam and doesnt break the rules n regulations of islam can be permissible

the likes of imam ghazaali, ibn hazm, rumi, qaRAQAWI ETC also give evidence from sahih ahadith to prove their points.

even within hanafi ulem athere is ikhtilaaf at teh schoalrly level

also remember not everyone here is hanafi
so before anyone says music is haram make sure u have your research ready!

Ya'qub wrote:

BMs article was absurd!

Music leads to adultery and anything that leads to adultery is haram so music is haram...

leaving your house leads to adultery and anything that leads to adultery is haram so leaving your house is haram...

waking up in the morning leads to adultery and anything that leads to adultery is haram so waking up in the morning is haram...

hahahahahaa

thats good
I love yaqub
in a totally halal way of course

I bet my life, that those who go on about music being haram listen to music themselves!
besides
music being haram
is ridiculous
allah created music n melody
furthermore, there is also a hadith where aisha ra was singing with some girls n the prophet pbuh allowed them as it was a happy occassion

as for the hadith, that still does not say that music is haram
we do not know the context, and the exact meaning
it does not say for example "music is forbidden"
there is nowhere that actually states that in black n white
hence why there is so much dispute

I personally think music is not bad
it depends on the music, eg the lyrics n instruments
obviously something like heavy metal music is not appropriate
besides
none of us here are scholars
so we cant say this is haram thats haram etc

as for the argument that music leads to adultery wellthats ridiculous
as for females desiring men who sing, thats not true
adnan sami is a good singer but hes mingin!
well wen he was fat anyway
not that hes fit now
NYHOO
yea
thats a stupid argument

so
live n let live
n just chill out ppl

Sumaiya wrote:

The fact is we can't just ignore these hadiths which were compiled by Bukhari whom only takes the strongest and avoids weak hadiths. I was aware of the fact the guitar came from a muslim origin, but this was at the time of jahiliya before they were properly guided. I would also like to pose another theory supported by this hadith:

Narrated Aisha: Abu Bakr came to my house while two small Ansari girls were singing beside me the stories of the Ansar concerning the Day of Buath. And they were not singers. Abu Bakr said protestingly, "musical instruments of Satan in the house of Allah's Apostle !" It happened on the 'Id day and Allah's Apostle said, "O Abu Bakr! There is an 'Id for every nation and this is our 'Id." (Book #15, Hadith #72) Bukhari

The instruments mentioned here are the duff drums, and interpretation shows that even duff are only permissable during Id or wedding and such.

Please express your views...

Fiqhi rulings are not based soley on the use of Imam Bukhari or Muslim ahadith compilations. There are a myriad of methods used by scholars of ijtihad, and using sahih ahadith is typical of the Hanbali school. Rulings will therefore differ according to your madhab because of the different usuli principles. Not stronger or weaker, simply different.

Muslims are obsessed with the word HARAM. :evil: Or i'll try the Abu Qatadah, Abu Izzadeen et al. way: HARAAAAAAAAAAM! :evil: :roll: IMO this obsession is generally based on fear of going wrong or lack of knowledge. To me, that is an understandable and almost normal human reaction, but it still doesnt make it right. But black or white are not the only options - thats not what Islam is all about.

Many muslims circles cultivate a very different form of Islam that has not been found throughout all that much in Muslim history - one that is rigid, punitive and harsh. We really need to work against this horrid tide and increasing trend, and realise that our deen was made to be easy; and has a beautiful tradition of being simple, flexible and moderate.

We spend too much time pondering and fussing and debating over what is not allowed within our religion, and in that time loose sight of the bigger picture and other matters that are more pressing within our community, such as tackling the high muslim prison population, interfaith relations, forging olive branches between ourselves and fostering a culture strength and unity.

Oh, and heres a video to put things into perspective - of what issues and problems we actually face today: :shock: :? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZNx0xHe0p0

Sumaiya wrote:

Narrated Abu 'Amir or Abu Malik Al-Ash'ari: that he heard the Prophet saying, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of Musical instruments, as lawful...Bukhari

Is this hadith not proof enough, the interpretation is clear.

Nope, it is not. If you actually read some of the links presented near the start, they actually dealt with this very hadith with explanation.

(since we have been commanded to read the qur'an in a beautiful voice, how can singing be haraam?)

What it feels like to me is that you cannot accept that there is a difference of opinion over music. Well, guess what? There is a difference of opinion. Get used to it.

Yusuf islam gave up Music when he converted to islam because hee had been told it was forbidden. A couple of decades later, he started again as it became clear to him that it wasn't. On returning to performing, he said:

This issue of music in Islam is not as cut-and-dried as I was led to believe ... I relied on hearsay, that was perhaps my mistake."

and

After I embraced Islam many people told me to carry on composing and recording but at the time I was hesitant for fear that it might be for the wrong reasons. I felt unsure what the right course of action was. I guess it is only now after all these years that I've come to fully understand and appreciate what everyone has been asking of me. It's as if I've come full circle - however, I have gathered a lot of knowledge on the subject in the meantime.

PS the title reminds me of this vid:

">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4Q1vHQxsss]

Anon wrote:

Yusuf islam gave up Music when he converted to islam because hee had been told it was forbidden. A couple of decades later, he started again as it became clear to him that it wasn't. On returning to performing, he said:

I met Yusuf Islam last year and he said that his music (now) is mainly for the purpose of da'wa.

he said that it can reach people who otherwise would never read or discuss about Islam. They might listen to music and it could open their mind to new thinking (i.e. Islam).

But he's not a scholar, and anyway none of us, on either side of the argument, can say categorically either way.

Abdul-Hakim Murad says: "Beware the darkness in the grey areas."

So maybe we should just all stop talking about it. And remember to ask Allah (swt) to guide us all to the strait path, and forgive our sins, and enter us into Jannah (where we can hear the sweetest of all music). Ameen!

Sumaiya wrote:

Well, guess what MR. Anon-not-verified, I have read the past links and the reason I reposted was to get my point across. And also in which part of the post did I mention singing to be haram.

You didn't, but there was a hint in someone else's post.

Quote:

And another thing, upon what evidence do people allow music, please give refernces (but not too long, i get tired of reading)

There was a link in the post that Mecca Da Lyrical Berretta made: ">http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-Englis...

According to them, that part of the hadith can be put down to the style of spoken arabic (like slang) which when translated/taken literally can lose its true meaning.

Sumaiya wrote:

What really irritates me,is that it's almost impossible to find a Muslim group that doesnt actually use music in their nasheeds, and even more impossible to find someone that doesn't listen to some sort of Music. You can tell them a thousand times and it will have no impact, it's really difficult to believe that they actually believe in the day of judgement because they just don't care. They may think that it's just going to pass like a dream, well it'll be reality!

Please share your views...

sumaiya
the whole point is
that
music just makes the songs better!
admit it!
THATS y u cant find decent songs

if u wanna listen to something religious just listen to Qur'an audios
cos u wont find any nasheeds or somgs without music that are good

Mecca Da Lyrical Berretta wrote:

When you pray you are singing, whether you realise it or not, the words rhyme and flow together so well only Allah could have said every word the Qu'ran.

So how you gonna tell me music is haraam?

Now you're just being silly.

When you recite the Qur'an you should use the basic rules of tajweed. If you have a melodious voice then it's a bonus. Where does music come into this? (btw it's a rhetorical question).

OK enough ppl

we're not scholars

we've expressed our views with our evidences

now agree to disagree

thank you

lol
well ssaid ed
like I said we're not scholars
just do what u want
as long as its not harming others

Sumaiya wrote:

And like to thank all those who expressed their views and actually you know what... i listen to music too!

(Jokes)

no seriously...

see?!?!?
its always those who say music is forbidden who listen to it themselves!

dont call me a lumox

but ok

I think music is one those issues that shudnt be debated as heavily
its not tha big a deal really

we shud be discussing bigger issues than something as trivial as whether or not music is haram

Sumaiya wrote:

People at home call me a shiekh...I wonder why....

Its nothing to do with being a sheikh or anything, its about ikhtilaaf - difference of opinion - something which all the sahabiyaat and great ulema respected and observed.

1. Understand the adab, ikhlaq and minhaj of ikhtilaaf (manners, conduct and method of differences of opinion) - Muhammad called ikhtilaaf a mercy

2. Understand that ahadith CANNOT be applied or understood as you seem to expect them to be done so. It is a serious science, and involves a great deal of studying and training before even opening a sahih al-Bukhari. In fact, traditionally Muslims would not TOUCH a book of ahadith without giving preference or priority to other primary training and books.

I'll give an example to show what the science of fiqh involves in terms of ahadith: Some ahadith condradict each other - which one would you apply? Some ahadith are specific to a given situation, and some are general - which one would you apply? This is only scratching the surface, and it is therefore for this reason that rightfully qualified mujtahid scholars such as Imam Abu Hanfiah, Shafi' etc are of utmost importance; and whom can only interpret and derive rulings.

I would recommend this article: Would you advise individuals to study hadith from al-Bukhari and Muslim on their own?

Amal wrote:

Its nothing to do with being a sheikh or anything, its about ikhtilaaf - difference of opinion - something which all the sahabiyaat and great ulema respected and observed.

1. Understand the adab, ikhlaq and minhaj of ikhtilaaf (manners, conduct and method of differences of opinion) - Muhammad called ikhtilaaf a mercy

2. Understand that ahadith CANNOT be applied or understood as you seem to expect them to be done so. It is a serious science, and involves a great deal of studying and training before even opening a sahih al-Bukhari. In fact, traditionally Muslims would not TOUCH a book of ahadith without giving preference or priority to other primary training and books.

I'll give an example to show what the science of fiqh involves in terms of ahadith: Some ahadith condradict each other - which one would you apply? Some ahadith are specific to a given situation, and some are general - which one would you apply? This is only scratching the surface, and it is therefore for this reason that rightfully qualified mujtahid scholars such as Imam Abu Hanfiah, Shafi' etc are of utmost importance; and whom can only interpret and derive rulings.

I would recommend this article: Would you advise individuals to study hadith from al-Bukhari and Muslim on their own?

oooooohhhh
well said amal
good answer
I concur